Volunteering CCW permit to officer

[Art Eatman]

Over the last fifty years I've been a tad enthusiastic with the loud pedal. However, I've never gotten a ticket for faster than 120 in a 55. Looking back, I had one really bad stop, and one cranky highway patrol type who probably had burnt toast for breakfast--but no reall hassle for me. Outside of those two, I usally wind up with a bull session about something of mutual interest. Most of the time I've only had warning tickets.

I guess that just naturally being a friendly kind of guy makes a difference. It's saved me a ton of money, this last half-century.

But, since the Great & Sovereign State of Texas sez for me to show the CHL, I don't have to think about it. I asked a Georgia deputy about showing my CHL when he stopped me for what he called a "Nascar lane change" and he didn't care whether or not I was toting. Fifteen minutes of talking Nascar, hot-rodding and sports car racing and I was on my way.

"Why'd you try to run, when I turned on the lights?" "My wife ran off with a Highway Patrol guy, and I was afraid you was him, bringin' her back."

Attitude...

 

[PT1911]

"Why'd you try to run, when I turned on the lights?" "My wife ran off with a Highway Patrol guy, and I was afraid you was him, bringin' her back."

that is great!!!!!!!!

 

[bensdad]

There's a big difference between favoritism and treating each person based on the situation.

Explain the difference to us.

 

[Deanimator]

so next time I am going 60 in a 55 and I see blue lights behind me I should just keep going... if he goes over 55 he is speeding right, I guess that gives me a clean get away....

Nonsequitor.

I want the police to obey the law, not violate it or make up laws which suit them.

That's apparently too subtle for some of them and some of their supporters.

 

[Deanimator]

n alabama it is illegal to flick a booger into the wind, drive barefoot, and putting salt on a railroad track is punishable by death, and you cannot shoot guns on sundays...

Then don't do those things.

Get your representatives to repeal those laws.

Once they're repealed, the police shouldn't enforce them. If they do, they need to be prosecuted and sued for damages in the civil courts.

 

[withdrawn34]

Well, I doubt such laws are enforced. Supposedly there are parts of Florida where it is illegal to spit on church grounds, and take a bath with clothes on. Who knew? Luckily I have never violated either.

 

[PT1911]

Nonsequitor.

first.. I am sure you mean non sequitur

and just what part of my post is so confusing to you or doesnt follow the topic? you want police to follow the law? then you should be charged with every silly law that your state has.

for ohio that means you must honk your horn when passing a car and nobody can be arrested on sunday or the 4th of July... so I guess you can pass without honking on the 4th or on a sunday..I am sure you wouldnt complain about such an action at all...

the whole point is that the law is often open to interpretaion and judgment on the part of the enforcer (LEO) if that was not the case, you and I would be fined or arrested every day for something rediculous.

one cannot make a statement such as obey they law or don't "play favorites" (which is simply making a judgment call) supporting rediculous laws and completely disregarding any right to complain as if you were breaking the law (in someone's eyes) they are in the right for anything and everything they do as long as they dont break the law in someone elses eyes....

similarly, just where is a cop breaking a law by giving a warning to one, giving a ticket to another, or even pulling his gun and taking yours until you are cleared if he/she feels he is in danger? He/she is well within the law doing any of those things... because it is a judgment call...I dont think it is right, but it is perfectly legal.

 

[wrs840]

Booger-flicking and other legal anachronisms

In NC, it's illegal for a man to undress in front of his wife...

And if you operate an automobile after dark within the city-limits of Charlotte, a law still on the books says you must have someone walking 50 feet in front of you swinging a lantern.


Neither is fastidiously enforced.

Les

 

[coloradokevin]

That's great! Thanks Kevin. You very succinctly described what I find so dusgusting about this topic (how to interact with cops). There seem to be a few of you who treat us differently when we "show respect." They also treat us differently when we just want to know what the problem is and how to get going (busted taillight, speeding ticket, etc.). I guess I'll start giving higher grades to students who "show respect". My wife should start treating patients better when they "show respect". I wonder if my electrician would give me a better rate for "showing respect".

Whatever. This gets twisted around in every thread where it is mentioned.

If you don't think that how you treat people affects how they'll treat you back, then I suppose you haven't had a lot of interaction with strangers.

I follow the law, and do my job as I'm supposed to. Frankly, if a person acts like an idiot when they get stopped by the cops, they should probably assume that the officer will issue a summons for the applicable statute violations. But if the person acts like a decent human being they might end up getting a break. That isn't corruption, and that isn't at all akin to giving someone special favors for illicit purposes.

Would you rather be policed by a robot that had no ability to make a judgement call? Would you rather I just ticket every single person I stop, or perhaps ticket no one, just to keep it categorically fair?

My original point was only to say that you will likely only benefit from revealing that you are CCWing. It very well may prove neutral, but it likely won't hurt you to do so.

 

[JohnBT]

"I want the police to obey the law, not violate it or make up laws which suit them."

When I, or a friend or loved one, need a cop I want them to show up as soon as possible. So they speed to get there. So what? Get over it. Every little thing in the world isn't going to line up just so to meet your ideal vision of perfect balance.

You're a nitpicker. The vast majority of cops are doing a great job and deserve our support.

John

 

[devildog66]

Not unless required to do so by law.

 

[SKILCZ]

The law in MI states that we have to disclose if we're carrying when stopped by an LEO, but we don't have to legally disclose if we're not carrying. IMO, it's a stupid law b/c only the law-abiding (hence, CPL holders) will abide by this law. Criminals (i.e. the ones most likely to use a firearm against an LEO) will not notify the LEO that they're illegally carrying a gun that they're not legally allowed to own or transport.

Once again, a pointless law that blissfully and ignorantly assumes that criminals will somehow opt to selectively obey gun control laws while disobeying every other law. The good guys (CPL holders), who've jumped through every hoop to get the CPL and are totally law-abiding, will obey, and the cops will be re-notified that the good guy with no criminal record is, in fact, still a good guy.

 

[gyp_c2]

well...

pretty sure...In Colorado, you're already in the database......
Be silly at your peril...or fess' up and play nice...
With mags, empty cases, and huntin' gear all over the vehicle...I'm pretty sure they know I'm armed, but I still take the first step...
Some folks just don't care for surprises...and neither do I...

 

[Deanimator]

When I, or a friend or loved one, need a cop I want them to show up as soon as possible.

"Need" them for WHAT?

Not protection as an individual, I hope. That's a myth at best, an outright lie at worst.

I wouldn't care if police didn't do ANYTHING so long as they just didn't commit serious crimes.

 

[divemedic]

A police officer speeding to pull you over or to go to an emergency is NOT breaking the law. The law in all of the states where I am aware says essentially:

When an emergency vehicle, enroute to an emergency, and displaying lights or sounding a siren or whistle, may ignore traffic laws with respect to speed or direction of travel, may park or stand regardless of zone, and may proceed past traffic control devices and stop signs. Nothing in this statute relieves the operator of his responsibility to operate an emergency vehicle with due regard to the safety of the public.


I am an EVOC and CEVO instructor. This is what I pound into every student's head.

 

[Dan Crocker]

Seriously guys...it's just a discussion. I don't see why tempers get so high on here. It's okay to disagree, we don't need to go for the throat.

 

[XDMfan40]

Does the same thing apply if your the pasenger in a vehicle and the driver gets pulled over for speeding or some other traffic violation? I personally would always volunteer my CCW info to any police officer including my friends who are current LEOs

 

[bensdad]

Would you rather be policed by a robot that had no ability to make a judgement call? Would you rather I just ticket every single person I stop, or perhaps ticket no one, just to keep it categorically fair?

Single best idea on this thread. Seriously.

 

[Zach S]

To be honest, its sounds to me like you have a poor attitude towards LEOs when you get stopped, you get the ticket every time because of it, and you're ticked off because those of us who act like well-mannered, respectable folks catch a break on the minor infractions.

 

[runrabbitrun]

The stories I'm hearing in this tread
are just re-enforcing my reasons for not wanting to get a CWP in my state.
(North Carolina)...

Lets see so far:
I have to seek 'permission' from the sheriff (and PAY him to ask permission)
to buy a hand gun from a dealer.
Now I'm on a list and they know I'm more likely to be an armed citizen.
If confiscation comes, (like it already HAS in other countries AFTER registration)
it's pretty easy for the man to come get me toys.

Then, if I decide to carry concealed, I have to get permission again. (Mo money I assume)...
Then, if stopped I have to inform Johnny Law I have a gun on me.
Now I have to worry about an over zealous cop snatching my side arm from my holster
(while I'm face down on the pavement) and perhaps his booger finger hits my trigger.
(Assuming I carry one in the chamber at ALL times, which I wouldn't.
Personal choice, so don't even start)...

Hmmmmm
I think I'll just stick to open carry if I feel like it (I haven't done so yet)
and purchasing handguns from private sales, if I so desire another handgun.

 

[bensdad]

To be honest, its sounds to me like you have a poor attitude towards LEOs when you get stopped, you get the ticket every time because of it, and you're ticked off because those of us who act like well-mannered, respectable folks catch a break on the minor infractions.

No Zach. I AM the guy who can always "catch a break". I have no idea how many times I've been warned, rather than ticketed. You, and others, are missing the point entirely.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

No Zach. I AM the guy who can always "catch a break". I have no idea how many times I've been warned, rather than ticketed. You, and others, are missing the point entirely

Have you considered not breaking the law and thus drastically decreasing your chances of getting pulled over in the first place?

 

[MrCleanOK]

Do what is required of you by law. In Oklahoma, you have duty to inform during an official police contact.

 

[runrabbitrun]

What we really need IMO is a reset button.

Too many laws now that contradict each other
and infringe on our RIGHTS as it is.

Can we get a do over please? lol

 

[PT1911]

what you have is one group of people who want all laws followed with no gray area and others who realize that sometimes judgment calls are required... apparently it continues to go unnoticed that there are so many silly laws on the books in every state that if police were to enforce all of them none of us would ever get anything done. Sure police have different personalities and some cross the line. But I would rather volunteer my permit with my license and be respectful throughout the process and have it go smoothly (which is what typically happens) than not do so and have this sense of entitlement that many posters seem to share and end up with a perfectly legal gun in my face, my gun taken, and my hands perfectly legally handcuffed behind my back because the cop got a feeling and has every right to detain me for his/her safety until the stop has been concluded...

Perhaps you would prefer that all police pull their guns for every stop, have you exit the vehicle and handcuff you on the curb while they get all of necessary information for the stop. It would be perfectly legal to do so. I am sure you would not have any problem with that at all..