VT Shooter Kill Ratio

[RioShooter]

At first glance, it appears that the VT shooter had a very high kill ratio; especially considering he was using a 9mm and a 22. I just read an article about a marine in Faluja who was hit 7 times with 7.62 rounds and protected a buddy from an exploding grenade and was hit by 40 fragments. He lost 60 per cent of his blood and survived.

This is just one example of many of individuals taking multiple hits and surviving. Why did so many kids die at VT?

 

[O C]

Ratio

Because they did not resist. They waited to be shot like fish in a barrel. The Va. legislature had just killed a bill that would have at least given them the option of defending themselves. If there is any blame to be laid, it should be at the feet of the Virginia legislature for removing all possibility of defending ones self on a campus in Virgnia. O C

 

[El Tejon]

Society, the media, the university had conditioned them to roll over and die and that's what they did.

Attitude, it's all about one's inner drive.

 

[RNB65]

Lack of body armor.

Lack of kevlar helmet.

Multiple torso/head shots at close range.

JHP vs ball ammo.

No combat medics immediately available.

And perhaps the biggest factor of all -- luck.

 

[Apple a Day]

It probably also had a lot to do with how fast they recieved (or didn't recieve) medical attention and how experienced the medics were at treating bullet wounds.

 

[Alexfubar]

After my complete shock from the news settled a little , into sadness , I wondered the same thing. ...

There have been a hell of a lot of people out there on their keyboards telling us how useless 9mm is for SD usage. ...Sort of takes some of the steam out the 9mm vs .45 dead horse debate.

 

[Winter Borne]

IMO...

The answer in part is in your second sentance, "he was a US Marine." I know it may sound silly, but attitude answers a lot here as well. Most people who have never been shot, or seen combat think ala TV, once shot one time you die. There was a case years ago of a man who died from a shot to the hand. The wound obviously was not fatal, but his mind set was, "oh no, I'm shot...therefor I will die." The Marine's take this mindset away durring boot. Attitude plays a bigger role here than most think...

Plus all of the other things mentioned too in the other posts...lack of good fast first aid and such.

mk

 

[Geronimo45]

In one situation (Falujah) you have a wounded soldier facing several enemies. He's got some level of body armor, and he's got something to effectively fight back with - a gun. He's trained on how to react to a combat situation.

Now you have a student in a classroom, half-dozing. There's several shots, and everyone goes for cover.
The student's on the ground. Sees blood. Panics. That student's not used to an active-shooter environment. They don't know diddly about gunshot wounds' effectiveness (except from TV) or first aid. Their lack of training gets them to ask 'what the hell is going on here?' not 'how can I kill this SOB?' Marines, as best I can tell, are taught the latter.

High killed to wounded ratio... see also the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Much smaller scale, multiple shooters... different scenario in many ways. Still, the victims were unarmed (after the 'police raid' anyways). The shooters had plenty of ammunition and no resistance. They could shoot their victims as many times as they pleased.

Question: Was the guy using JHPs? I hadn't heard that.

 

[WayneConrad]

I'm not sure what to say about this. Probably should be "nothing." But there are real people that died, real blood spilled. Analyzing the "kill ratio" seems very heartless. It's not a video game.

 

[Sistema1927]

Executions are different from combat. From what I have read many of these were executions.

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Sorry folks, gotta close this one. We don't need to be talking about "kill ratios" with all the media hype going right now.

Interesting topic, but it's bound to make us look bad.