Wanting to buy a higher end firearm

[Zaydok Allen]

Reloader 4 life!

Why so about the 10mm? weak factory loads?

Mostly because…..

With exception of the boutique ammo.. the regular mass produced factory stuff is closer to 40SW levels.

But also cuz $$$

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Hey, thanks for reminding me I want a Kriss Vector. Maybe one day I can justify that buy. I did just buy a Scorpion EVO 3. Local shop had a used Vector for about $1,100. I had self-control that day

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• Zaydok Allen
• May 27, 2019

They are fun but the vertical motion on the bolt receiver causes the gun to bounce up and smack your cheek. Get a pad for the stock.

 

[tarosean]

They are fun but the vertical motion on the bolt receiver causes the gun to bounce up and smack your cheek. Get a pad for the stock.

I think I recall that yours is 10mm correct? I have one in 9 and dont get any "bounce/smack" that your speaking of.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I think I recall that yours is 10mm correct? I have one in 9 and dont get any "bounce/smack" that your speaking of.

Correct, it's a 10mm, so the impulse is going to be considerably stronger. I also load my 180 gr ammo to about 1225 fps from a 5 inch barrel. Nothing nuclear, but not watered down either. Might be adding to it.

I have some issues with my neck also and I sometimes struggle getting a good cheek and shoulder weld on a rifle stock. An adjustable comb might help. If you look closely there is a spacer on the butt of the stock with a button. That spacer is vertically adjustable. It helps my particular issue a bit.

I saw a video from Justin Opinion (I thnk) on Youttube and he was having the same issue.

All in all I get another 200-250 fps from that barrel length and it's a fun gun to shoot.

 

[Remington1911]

I'll never understand this thought process. I dont give a crap if I do lose a multi-thousand dollar gun, as it was worth every cent paid if I am still breathing.
If its reliable and you are proficient, cost should be the absolute last determining factor.

Ask yourself this question, would you rather loose a multi thousand $$ gun or a multi hundred $$ gun. You can get reliable and proficient at a price point under a grand.

If you answer the question with multi thousand, you likely fall into the more money than brains group.

It is really simple for those that live in the real world, most people don't want to toss in the trash (basically what happens, and I likely spend more time in a property room then you do) something expensive if there are other options available.

I once carried a 1903, now I carry cheap "junk" that I know I can hit with and know will work. Losing something plastic means nothing to me over losing something I spend years finding the example I really wanted.

Hope you can now understand this thought process.

 

[tarosean]

Ask yourself this question, would you rather loose a multi thousand $$ gun or a multi hundred $$ gun. You can get reliable and proficient at a price point under a grand.

If you answer the question with multi thousand, you likely fall into the more money than brains group.

It is really simple for those that live in the real world, most people don't want to toss in the trash (basically what happens, and I likely spend more time in a property room then you do) something expensive if there are other options available.

I once carried a 1903, now I carry cheap "junk" that I know I can hit with and know will work. Losing something plastic means nothing to me over losing something I spend years finding the example I really wanted.

Hope you can now understand this thought process.

Very low road reply!
What do you think your legal bills will be? couple hundred dollars or tens of thousands of dollars with grand juries, over zealous DA's, etc.
Good shoot or not, the actual gun really doesn't matter at that point.
Like I said before If I am still breathing and supporting my family the gun was worth every penny paid and did the job it was enlisted to do. I dont care if I never see it again.

That said, I never said to carry some irreplaceable gun or family heirloom piece.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

If you answer the question with multi thousand, you likely fall into the more money than brains group.

Really?

I suggest you read the rules. If you disagree you attack the argument, not the poster. You don't have to agree with tarosean, but insulting him is uncalled for.

 

[Zerodefect]

Ask yourself this question, would you rather loose a multi thousand $$ gun or a multi hundred $$ gun. You can get reliable and proficient at a price point under a grand.

If you answer the question with multi thousand, you likely fall into the more money than brains group.

It is really simple for those that live in the real world, most people don't want to toss in the trash (basically what happens, and I likely spend more time in a property room then you do) something expensive if there are other options available.

I once carried a 1903, now I carry cheap "junk" that I know I can hit with and know will work. Losing something plastic means nothing to me over losing something I spend years finding the example I really wanted.

Hope you can now understand this thought process.

How much is your life worth?

If a DWX compact ($2000-ish vaporware) draws faster, and can get 10 rounds on a target at 15 yards, faster than a Glock 23, then I'm switching.

The loss of a $4000 pistol is immaterial. Who cares? It's pocket change.

 

[Mark_Mark]

How much is your life worth?

If a DWX compact ($2000-ish vaporware) draws faster, and can get 10 rounds on a target at 15 yards, faster than a Glock 23, then I'm switching.

The loss of a $4000 pistol is immaterial. Who cares? It's pocket change.

10 rounds on target at 15 yards… yeah, it’s dead

 

[Demi-human]

Having lost both things and humans from this planet, I’d always trade a family heirloom that is the last remaining copy of an irreplaceable model of a forgotten skill for even just one more single day…

Or,

The Best Things in Life, aren’t things.

(Although, Brown does make a very fine pistol…)

What all this has to do with high end firearms ownership falls short on me though.

Must one carry their high end pistol? No. Must one have a dirt cheap pistol for carry. No.
May they do so if they wish? Yup.


Now, we got @Pew-Pew into a pistol. Let’s see if we can’t talk him into a something better than a Stag, or at the least a better barrel.


Ba-da-daa! Enabling powers, ACTIVATE!

Form of, You’re Missing Out On Accuracy!

Temptation of, Barrels On Sale!

https://www.armorally.com/shop/ballistic-advantage-223-wylde-premium-series-16-spr-barrel/

 

[Mark_Mark]

Having lost both things and humans from this planet, I’d always trade a family heirloom that is the last remaining copy of an irreplaceable model of a forgotten skill for even just one more single day…

Or,

The Best Things in Life, aren’t things.

(Although, Brown does make a very fine pistol…)

What all this has to do with high end firearms ownership falls short on me though.

Must one carry their high end pistol? No. Must one have a dirt cheap pistol for carry. No.
May they do so if they wish? Yup.


Now, we got @Pew-Pew into a pistol. Let’s see if we can’t talk him into a something better than a Stag, or at the least a better barrel.


Ba-da-daa! Enabling powers, ACTIVATE!

Form of, You’re Missing Out On Accuracy!

Temptation of, Barrels On Sale!

https://www.armorally.com/shop/ballistic-advantage-223-wylde-premium-series-16-spr-barrel/

you’re a sentimental guy!

 

[Mark_Mark]

Really?

I suggest you read the rules. If you disagree you attack the argument, not the poster. You don't have to agree with tarosean, but insulting him is uncalled for.

I’m going to start caring a High Point 45! take that evidence locker and well heeled self protectors

 

[Remington1911]

Very low road reply!
What do you think your legal bills will be? couple hundred dollars or tens of thousands of dollars with grand juries, over zealous DA's, etc.
Good shoot or not, the actual gun really doesn't matter at that point.
Like I said before If I am still breathing and supporting my family the gun was worth every penny paid and did the job it was enlisted to do. I dont care if I never see it again.

That said, I never said to carry some irreplaceable gun or family heirloom piece.

Load road because I called out a falt in logic.

Trust me working for over 17 years....god I can't believe it has been that long.....in a cop shop I have a feeling I have seen it first hand a time or two, and know that road very well, as well as knowing all parties that are involved.

Trust me with this as well, more times then not the guy wants his gun back, and is not real happy after it has been sitting in a box for 4 years.

There are fantastic reliable items out there for not "high end" prices, and if YOU can't shoot that glock as fast or as well as you can that $4000 whatever I am thinking the problem is not the gun but YOU.

Bottom line do what you want, and get ready to cry over that $4000 loss.

Such an interesting line of thinking, think of what people that are far more likely carry.....and the budgets, do you really think if $4000 would give them the slighest advantage they would not do it? Or do they think that glock (i hate BTW) is a perfect tool for the job, tough robust, and just flat works like a claw hammer.

No, sorry you are fishing for justification in your heads, and you know I am cool with that, do what you want. Just don't sit there and try to justify your choice to me when I know better.

 

[Remington1911]

Having lost both things and humans from this planet, I’d always trade a family heirloom that is the last remaining copy of an irreplaceable model of a forgotten skill for even just one more single day…

Or,

The Best Things in Life, aren’t things.

(Although, Brown does make a very fine pistol…)

What all this has to do with high end firearms ownership falls short on me though.

Must one carry their high end pistol? No. Must one have a dirt cheap pistol for carry. No.
May they do so if they wish? Yup.


Now, we got @Pew-Pew into a pistol. Let’s see if we can’t talk him into a something better than a Stag, or at the least a better barrel.


Ba-da-daa! Enabling powers, ACTIVATE!

Form of, You’re Missing Out On Accuracy!

Temptation of, Barrels On Sale!

https://www.armorally.com/shop/ballistic-advantage-223-wylde-premium-series-16-spr-barrel/

Good grief, lets try this.

You have a choice between a family heirloom, and a glock you have putten 700 rounds down with zero failures. And your choice is.....the heirloom? A 70 year old gun? More heavy? More likely to be damaged is some way? Holster wear?

I had this thought myself for years, and I think I said I carried a 1903 from the mid 30's. I felt well if I am going to carry this thing I want to do it with some class, nothing based on simple facts past I could hit what I pointed at. Then I moved on to a plastic fantastic that I can shoot close enough to just as well to call it just as well, and the little 32 sits for sunny play days....why did I change?

Because I figured that I just might like a few more bangs in my pocket, new usually has a higher capacity over old. New I am really not going to care about scuffing or scratching or even holster wear. Sure I had to practice with something new and different, who here is not up for that hard work.....oh darn I picked a new gun now I have to get good at using it....drat.

I highly doubt many here have but one choice when it comes to carry and that choice is grand dads 1911 he carried in the trenches of WWI.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Load road because I called out a falt in logic.

Trust me working for over 17 years....god I can't believe it has been that long.....in a cop shop I have a feeling I have seen it first hand a time or two, and know that road very well, as well as knowing all parties that are involved.

Trust me with this as well, more times then not the guy wants his gun back, and is not real happy after it has been sitting in a box for 4 years.

There are fantastic reliable items out there for not "high end" prices, and if YOU can't shoot that glock as fast or as well as you can that $4000 whatever I am thinking the problem is not the gun but YOU.

Bottom line do what you want, and get ready to cry over that $4000 loss.

Such an interesting line of thinking, think of what people that are far more likely carry.....and the budgets, do you really think if $4000 would give them the slighest advantage they would not do it? Or do they think that glock (i hate BTW) is a perfect tool for the job, tough robust, and just flat works like a claw hammer.

No, sorry you are fishing for justification in your heads, and you know I am cool with that, do what you want. Just don't sit there and try to justify your choice to me when I know better.

I think the PD should treat people’s guns with a bit of care. especially if it’s an expensive piece. But government don’t care about it’s people who pays taxes

 

[Zerodefect]

Granddad gave it to me, to keep me as safe as it did him.

Pick the most effective tool for the job.

 

[theotherwaldo]

The chance of using (and possibly losing) a sidearm is so low that it shouldn't really be a concern - BUT - the consequences of not having a handy and accurate sidearm on your person is so high that everyone should carry the best and most appropriate one possible.
Functionality is FAR more important than cost.

 

[Demi-human]

Good grief, lets try this.

You have a choice between a family heirloom, and a glock you have putten 700 rounds down with zero failures. And your choice is.....the heirloom? A 70 year old gun? More heavy? More likely to be damaged is some way? Holster wear?

Whoosh!

I think you’ve missed the point.

 

[tarosean]

Load road because I called out a falt in logic.

Trust me working for over 17 years....god I can't believe it has been that long.....in a cop shop I have a feeling I have seen it first hand a time or two, and know that road very well, as well as knowing all parties that are involved.

Trust me with this as well, more times then not the guy wants his gun back, and is not real happy after it has been sitting in a box for 4 years.

There are fantastic reliable items out there for not "high end" prices, and if YOU can't shoot that glock as fast or as well as you can that $4000 whatever I am thinking the problem is not the gun but YOU.

Bottom line do what you want, and get ready to cry over that $4000 loss.

Such an interesting line of thinking, think of what people that are far more likely carry.....and the budgets, do you really think if $4000 would give them the slighest advantage they would not do it? Or do they think that glock (i hate BTW) is a perfect tool for the job, tough robust, and just flat works like a claw hammer.

No, sorry you are fishing for justification in your heads, and you know I am cool with that, do what you want. Just don't sit there and try to justify your choice to me when I know better.

My shot timer tells me exactly what I shoot best. So I definitely don't need any justification from some person on the internet. I am not sentimentally attached to anything I would use for EDC.so would not "cry about it" when I have dozens upon dozens more that can be enlisted to do the job again.

 

[Remington1911]

I think the PD should treat people’s guns with a bit of care. especially if it’s an expensive piece. But government don’t care about it’s people who pays taxes

I can tell you how it is with us, I am sure other agencies have different procedures.

The gun is generally left in the same condition it was found in, if loaded it will be unloaded, but wet, muddy, it will likely stay that way. With us we have boxes that have what I can describe is like a shoe box, but more heavy constructed, and there is like clear wrap over the top, and the property sticker is on the box. Long guns get in a basic long cardboard box. It is just property or evidence, there is a difference between the two, and really treated no differently then any other item.

 

[Remington1911]

Whoosh!

I think you’ve missed the point.

Will not be the first or the last.

 

[Remington1911]

My shot timer tells me exactly what I shoot best. So I definitely don't need any justification from some person on the internet. I am not sentimentally attached to anything I would use for EDC.so would not "cry about it" when I have dozens upon dozens more that can be enlisted to do the job again.

I am happy for you, that however has jack to do with my point......or should I say....

Whoosh!

I think you’ve missed the point.

 

[Demi-human]

Will not be the first or the last.

I’ll never hold it against anyone.
Just points of view. We all drive different vehicles for different reasons.

Well, in congruency which the Original Post, I’d like to submit a proposal that these are indeed high end rifle barrels, and that their installation in any properly functioning AR will result in a higher level of rifle. (Carried or not, which I have doubts to being germane to the subject of this thread, seen here.Wanting to buy a higher end firearm)

http://www.shilen.com/ar15Barrels.html

https://direct.kriegerbarrels.com/ar15/22-cal/dcm/ar15-dcm-223-wylde-7.7-twist

https://riflebarrels.com/shop/ Lilja barrels

Everyone should get to experience the joy of a professionally hand lapped barrel.


Additionally, accoutrements to the shooting sports can be another area of improvement and upgrades.
Simply changing out the fill in a shooting rest for HeavySand or getting a more luxurious leather front bench rest can increase dramatically the enjoyment of owning and operating firearms. Toss the folding bipod and get a Sinclair skipod.

It would be silly to have a beautiful Snake gun for range use only, and carry it in a purple Crown Royal purse. A proper wood and velvet case is in good taste. https://www.gunboxesusa.com/gallery/

1791 makes affordable, easy to order leather for a holster upgrade. Not all high end things must be obscene in price, but it helps.

I find small joy in undoing the five locks and latches and releasing the pressure valve in the Pelican case I have for my target rifle. I have pride, and relief, knowing my rifle is in the best case made for it. It also has wheels on it!

 

[Mark_Mark]

I’ll never hold it against anyone.
Just points of view. We all drive different vehicles for different reasons.

Well, in congruency which the Original Post, I’d like to submit a proposal that these are indeed high end rifle barrels, and that their installation in any properly functioning AR will result in a higher level of rifle. (Carried or not, which I have doubts to being germane to the subject of this thread, seen here.Wanting to buy a higher end firearm)

http://www.shilen.com/ar15Barrels.html

https://direct.kriegerbarrels.com/ar15/22-cal/dcm/ar15-dcm-223-wylde-7.7-twist

https://riflebarrels.com/shop/ Lilja barrels

Everyone should get to experience the joy of a professionally hand lapped barrel.


Additionally, accoutrements to the shooting sports can be another area of improvement and upgrades.
Simply changing out the fill in a shooting rest for HeavySand or getting a more luxurious leather front bench rest can increase dramatically the enjoyment of owning and operating firearms. Toss the folding bipod and get a Sinclair skipod.

It would be silly to have a beautiful Snake gun for range use only, and carry it in a purple Crown Royal purse. A proper wood and velvet case is in good taste. https://www.gunboxesusa.com/gallery/

1791 makes affordable, easy to order leather for a holster upgrade. Not all high end things must be obscene in price, but it helps.

I find small joy in undoing the five locks and latches and releasing the pressure valve in the Pelican case I have for my target rifle. I have pride, and relief, knowing my rifle is in the best case made for it. It also has wheels on it!

Have you tried a High Point! wrapped in Luxurious $100 bills and a 40oz ole English grips!

 

[Robbins290]

With exception of the boutique ammo.. the regular mass produced factory stuff is closer to 40SW levels.

The sig 10MM ammo is pretty hot, check it out. Advertised at 1250 FPS for a 180 grain bullet. Vs the 985 FPS for the 40 S&W with the same bullet. And its pretty cheap and accurate too.