Tracy Hightower
Member
Tam,
They were all handguns. 3 of them were airsoft guns and 5 of them were handguns.
Regarding knowing the law. I did in fact look at the law after getting the answer that I got from the state police and to check on any significant differences in the use of force as I also gave a lecture on the use of deadly force during the class. I found in looking at the law that I would in fact have to rely on HR 218 to be in posession of handguns while in the state. I am aware that it is incumbent on me to know the law and I made a minimal effort to do so knowing that regardless of the state law I would in fact be exempt under HR 218. Therefore I produced LEO credentials when all other means had been exhausted. I was not traveling on Police business and do not use my credentials to gain any favor or benefit. I did however use them to stay out of jail. Does that make me better than anyone else? Of course not and I make no apologies for being a LEO. Do I wish that things were different in that all citizens and not just law enforcement were entitled to carry nationwide? You bet I do and I will continue to push for and support legislation that would allow all citizens to carry nationwide.
The whole point of my post was to let anyone who might not be aware of this law that they could in fact be arrested for doing something in NY state that most of us have done legally in nearly every other state. Those of you that wish to sit there and say that you should know the law, then by all means contimue to do so. I just do not want to see ANYONE arrested because they did'nt know the law.
In my state it was just a few short years ago that the police were the only ones who could carry a gun anytime unless you knew someone (a local sheriff of police chief) who would give you a permit. Our citizens got tired of it and elected law makers who worked toward getting a shall issue permit system that allowed just about anybody who wanted to carry a gun the right to do so. Even other states and countries citizens. Yes if you are not a citizen of this country but you reside legally in Tennessee you too can get a carry permit. I don't know what it would be like to have to live in a state that requires me to get a permit to merely possess a handgun. I do know that I would not keep electing the same people who continued to support and make these kinds of laws.
So as I stated I am not against ALL citizens rights to carry, I do not think that police should have any special rights to carry or self protection. I do not think that everyone is aware of the stringent regulations in a couple of states while the vast majority of states and its citizens do not have to suffer such ridiculous laws (Hence my original post). I do think that they are ridiculous laws. I do think that they could be changed but apparantly the citizens of those states don't want it changed badly enough. I do think that HR218 is a good law because I think that if the police were never allowed to carry nationwide then the average citizen would never be able to. I do think that HR218 is a stepping stone to nationwide carry for all. I do think that it will take a while and that reciprocity will probably be more effective sooner. And finally I do think that the things I have heard about New Yorkers are not true as all of the folks I met while there both students and strangers alike were fantastic and that I will be back and I will be bringing firearms and I will be carrying while I am there.
FLAME AWAY
They were all handguns. 3 of them were airsoft guns and 5 of them were handguns.
Regarding knowing the law. I did in fact look at the law after getting the answer that I got from the state police and to check on any significant differences in the use of force as I also gave a lecture on the use of deadly force during the class. I found in looking at the law that I would in fact have to rely on HR 218 to be in posession of handguns while in the state. I am aware that it is incumbent on me to know the law and I made a minimal effort to do so knowing that regardless of the state law I would in fact be exempt under HR 218. Therefore I produced LEO credentials when all other means had been exhausted. I was not traveling on Police business and do not use my credentials to gain any favor or benefit. I did however use them to stay out of jail. Does that make me better than anyone else? Of course not and I make no apologies for being a LEO. Do I wish that things were different in that all citizens and not just law enforcement were entitled to carry nationwide? You bet I do and I will continue to push for and support legislation that would allow all citizens to carry nationwide.
The whole point of my post was to let anyone who might not be aware of this law that they could in fact be arrested for doing something in NY state that most of us have done legally in nearly every other state. Those of you that wish to sit there and say that you should know the law, then by all means contimue to do so. I just do not want to see ANYONE arrested because they did'nt know the law.
In my state it was just a few short years ago that the police were the only ones who could carry a gun anytime unless you knew someone (a local sheriff of police chief) who would give you a permit. Our citizens got tired of it and elected law makers who worked toward getting a shall issue permit system that allowed just about anybody who wanted to carry a gun the right to do so. Even other states and countries citizens. Yes if you are not a citizen of this country but you reside legally in Tennessee you too can get a carry permit. I don't know what it would be like to have to live in a state that requires me to get a permit to merely possess a handgun. I do know that I would not keep electing the same people who continued to support and make these kinds of laws.
So as I stated I am not against ALL citizens rights to carry, I do not think that police should have any special rights to carry or self protection. I do not think that everyone is aware of the stringent regulations in a couple of states while the vast majority of states and its citizens do not have to suffer such ridiculous laws (Hence my original post). I do think that they are ridiculous laws. I do think that they could be changed but apparantly the citizens of those states don't want it changed badly enough. I do think that HR218 is a good law because I think that if the police were never allowed to carry nationwide then the average citizen would never be able to. I do think that HR218 is a stepping stone to nationwide carry for all. I do think that it will take a while and that reciprocity will probably be more effective sooner. And finally I do think that the things I have heard about New Yorkers are not true as all of the folks I met while there both students and strangers alike were fantastic and that I will be back and I will be bringing firearms and I will be carrying while I am there.
FLAME AWAY