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50 Shooter

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This was posted on Biggerhammer, I know Tom so this isn't BS. Better go through your stuff and do a check.:rolleyes:


I have a friend who had a search warrant executed by the LA gun task force at his apartment, which is located above a home, within LA city limits a few months back. This task force is headed up by ATF, with LAPD and LASO being the primary agencies participating. Pursuant to the warrant execution, one Springfield M1A with its' original flash hider attached and numerous .50 cal incindiary type bullets were seized. My friend was not arrested at the time and led to believe the case might not even be prosecuted. The task force left his entire gun collection, which is extensive, with him at his apartment. A little more info here for you to consider. My friend has no criminal record of any kind, is a decorated Vietnam vet, is gainfully employed as a carpenter, and is law abiding.

A couple of weeks ago, the task force arrived at his apartment and arrested my friend and charged him with five felonies. He was taken to jail where he remained for two days until his bail was set and met. He is charged with being in possession of an unregistered assault rifle, and in possession of destructive devices, and in possession of destructive devices within so many feet of a school. Five felonies under California law in total.

Being a retired ATF special agent myself, I contacted the case agent who happens to be a LAPD dectective assigned to the task force. I asked him why such a chicken ##### case was being prosecuted. Why were they ruining my friend's life after his service to our country and the fact that he has no past criminal record. I asked him what happened to law enforcement using common sense and discretion in a case like this. The detective told me they didn't make the laws, but it was their job to enforce the law and that the DA has a no tolerence policy regarding firearms.

I tried to explain to him that the M1A rifle with its' original flash hider was legally sold to 1000's of people in CA before the assault rifle law was even enacted. Many of these original owners to this day do not know they are in violation by having the flash hider on their rifle. The detective didn't care. I explained that on at least two prior occasions I had contacted DOJ myself and had been informed the explosive bullets were legal in California as they are under ATF law, as long as they were not loaded into a case and able to fire. He said that was incorrect info and that under CA law the bullets alone are destructive devices and that each individual bullet could be charged separately.

So, I got nowhere with the detective. The case is going forward. My friend if convicted, is looking at the minimum of two years in state prison. I will be testifying as an expert at his trial and try to inform the jury exactly what is going on here. The task force wants numbers so they can get more money. The DA's office wants numbers, as well. So does ATF, all at the expense of my friend. Trust me, the agencies do not care about my friend.

So, we should all take heed of this case. I got rid of my bullets immediately upon hearing of the search warrant. My advice to CA residents is to do the same, and take their unregistered so called assault rifles out of the state. We all need to realize what we are dealing with in California. Tom
 
Damn :mad:

I'm very sorry for your friend 50Shooter. The fellow is being railroaded. This guy sounds like a standup vet, and for them to attack him for the sole purpose of career building is shameful. I wish you both the best, but I fear the only way to avoid these trumped up charges is to move asap. Good luck!
 
I wish you both the best, but I fear the only way to avoid these trumped up charges is to move asap. Good luck!

These are not 'trumped up' charges. While the law sucks, it is on the books and they found an illegal unregistered AW (amongst other things).

He had it easier, even, than other CA AW owners in pre-2000 days. He could have just put a muzzle brake on instead of registering it. So he had a legit path other than registration. I'm betting that he knew about this and just blew it away, thinking "I'm a vet, they won't bust me, it's just an M1A".

Anyone who continues to possess an unreg'd AW in CA is simply stupid. Those driving such unreg'd AWs out of state to sell are even more stupid, as illegal unreg'd AW transport charges can be more serious than simple possession charges (which are 'wobblers', chargeable as a misdemeanor if the DA is charitable).

Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA
 
I'm curious as to what prompted the search warrant in the first place. And remember, this is just the L.A.P.D., not the CADOJ.
 
Listen to BIll!!!!

I dont have so much as tracer in my house since my problem. I got shivers when I read this.

The law sucks, yes. But I dont bring guns into mexico and tempt fate either.

Also, Have your bud contact VFW legal defense people. They are helpful. Also the disabled vets has a lawyer setup/ They helped me once before.

But listen up! There is nothing scarier, then having something like the DOJ looking at you. They make there own rules.
 
Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know there WAS a 'gun task force' in LA

seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money to me.
 
R.H. Lee said:
I'm curious as to what prompted the search warrant in the first place. And remember, this is just the L.A.P.D., not the CADOJ.

This is what I'm most curious about, too. I personally don't think it's surprising in the least that a DA in California is blindly anit-gun, even going to the point of charging someone with having destructive devices with so many feet of a school when it is in his home.

Thanks for the heads up, I didn't know there WAS a 'gun task force' in LA

seems like a waste of time and taxpayer money to me.

I've heard of 'em visiting gunshows in an effort to bust people. If you consider the belief of anti-gun DAs, Mayors, and Police Cheifs/Sheriffs in CA, who think that concentrating on taking away guns of the law-abiding will reduce crime, then to them it's not a waste of time.
 
I got that email also from the Fifty Caliber Institute, very scary. I hate to say it but thank God after 47 years I got out of CA!

It also said that some people did not pick up the .50's they ordered on time and they had to be turned over to the state. Sickening.
 
I couldn't begin to guess how many Kali folks have driven over to AZ to sell their AR's, AK's etc. when word came down of the impending ban (or even after).
 
I got the email from the FCI, here's a copy.



LA County Gun Task Force Serving Search Warrants

Officers from the Los Angeles County Gun Task Force in CA have begun serving search warrants on residents in that county who are suspected of holding un-registered "Assault Rifles" including 50 BMG target rifles.

If you or any of your friends have not complied with the provisions of AB-50 that require you to register any 50 BMG rifles you own, you may very well expect a knock on your door at any time.

This information was received from a former ATF agent in CA:

"I have a friend who had a search warrant executed by the LA gun task force at his apartment, which is located above a home, within LA city limits a few months back. This task force is headed up by ATF, with LAPD and LASO being the primary agencies participating. Pursuant to the warrant execution, one Springfield M1A with its' original flash hider attached and numerous .50 cal incendiary type bullets (Projectiles) were seized. My friend was not arrested at the time and led to believe the case might not even be prosecuted. The task force left his entire gun collection, which is extensive, with him at his apartment. A little more info here for you to consider. My friend has no criminal record of any kind, is a decorated Vietnam vet, is gainfully employed as a carpenter, and is law abiding.

A couple of weeks ago, the task force came back to his apartment and arrested my friend and charged him with five felonies. He was taken to jail where he remained for two days until his bail was set and met. He is charged with being in possession of an unregistered assault rifle, and in possession of destructive devices, and in possession of destructive devices within so many feet of a school. Five felonies under California law in total.

Being a retired ATF special agent myself, I contacted the case agent who happens to be a LAPD detective assigned to the task force. I asked him why such a chicken ##### case was being prosecuted. Why were they ruining my friend's life after his service to our country and the fact that he has no past criminal record. I asked him what happened to law enforcement using common sense and discretion in a case like this. The detective told me they didn't make the laws, but it was their job to enforce the law and that the DA has a no tolerance policy regarding firearms.
I tried to explain to him that the M1A rifle with its' original flash hider was legally sold to 1000's of people in CA before the assault rifle law was even enacted. Many of these original owners to this day do not know they are in violation by having the flash hider on their rifle. The detective didn't care. I explained that on at least two prior occasions I had contacted DOJ myself and had been informed the explosive bullets were legal in California as they are under ATF law, as long as they were not loaded into a case and able to fire. He said that was incorrect info and that under CA law the bullets alone are destructive devices and that each individual bullet could be charged separately."

During the past several months FCI has received several inquiries from people who are possibly California residents who have been asking what they should do because they hadn't registered their firearms before the required date. We have told everyone they need to contact an attorney to find out the best possible way to deal with this situation.

FCI recommends the same to everyone. A good law firm to contact would be:

Trutanich-Michel LLP
180 E. Ocean Blvd
Long Beach, CA 90802
(562) 216-4444

Also be aware that I spoke to Bill Ritchie at EDM Arms, Inc. recently and he had several customers who had purchased 50 BMG target rifles on a time payment program. The customers had not picked up their rifles before the expiration of the registration period and now all the firearms have to be turned in to the Dept of Justice in CA for destruction.

This is a very serious matter for owners as well as manufacturers. It appears that LA County Gun Task Force and possibly DOJ in CA are looking for an opportunity to make an example out of an otherwise Law Abiding citizen. Don't let it be you. Seek good legal advice before you get a knock on your door when you least expect it.

John Burtt, Chmn
FCI
 
Here's the latest info.

Someone got into a jam with the task force, and gave up my friend's name as having the flash hider on the M1A. That's how law enforcement works it... they get something on someone and then informs them how they can help themself out by giving up someone else they might know who is dirty. This is fine if we are talking about major crime, but to have to stoop this low is amazing to me. I always focused on serious crimes against society, not this nitpicky minor stuff. But, it is not minor to my friend. He's most likely going to become a convicted felon, have to give up all his firearms and spend some time in prison. Unbelievable. California is out of control. Now they are trying to make any rifle that has a detachable mag and isn't already an assault rifle, an assault rifle and would require registration. This is our attorney generals latest plan. As I understand it, this would include rimfires. This will get Ruger mini 14's, and CA legal Springfield M1A's that have a muzzle brake instead of the flash hider. Anyway, what's left for me is to get out of here sooner than later. I'm working on that as we speak. Tom
 
This task force is headed up by ATF, with LAPD and LASO being the primary agencies participating.

Why is the BATFE heading up a task force to enforce STATE laws?

Is the FBI going to start issuing parking tickets now?
 
Now they are trying to make any rifle that has a detachable mag and isn't already an assault rifle, an assault rifle and would require registration. This is our attorney generals latest plan. As I understand it, this would include rimfires. This will get Ruger mini 14's, and CA legal Springfield M1A's that have a muzzle brake instead of the flash hider. Anyway, what's left for me is to get out of here sooner than later. I'm working on that as we speak. Tom

Anybody have any details on this? That'd be freaking outrageous...and an excellent demonstration, for anyone still unconvinced, of what the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch is all about.
 
"Anyone who continues to possess an unreg'd AW in CA is simply stupid."

Sad. No wonder the state continues to ramp up it's efforts to disarm the people.
 
Now they are trying to make any rifle that has a detachable mag and isn't already an assault rifle, an assault rifle and would require registration. This is our attorney generals latest plan. As I understand it, this would include rimfires. This will get Ruger mini 14's, and CA legal Springfield M1A's that have a muzzle brake instead of the flash hider. Anyway, what's left for me is to get out of here sooner than later. I'm working on that as we speak. Tom

Anybody have any details on this? That'd be freaking outrageous...and an excellent demonstration, for anyone still unconvinced, of what the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch is all about.

This is not correct. I'm sure billwiese can clarify better, but what CA is doing is trying to toughen what counts as having a detachable magazine. This is in the response to the "Off-List Lower" issue. People have been using simple hardware to fix the magazine on their off-list AR-15 lower receivers. Under current CA law, this is suffficient for qualifying as a fixed magine as the law says it's a fixed magazine if a tool is needed to remove it. With the fixed magazine, the rifle only has one evil feature (pistol grip)

The CA DOJ wants to change some wording so that capacity to accomodate a detachable magazine is basically the same as having a detachable magazine. The exception will be if the magazine is permanently fixed. The DOJ hasnt defined what they consider permanent though.

If this change happens and the DOJ decides the current fixed mag kits that people are using arent sufficient enough, then those people in possession of "off-list lower" rifles could conceivably be charged with possessing illegal assault weapons since they now have two evil features.. (pistol grip and capacity to accomodate a detachable magazine)




M1A's, Mini-14's, SU-16's, etc will not be affected. Those weapons have one evil feature, the detachable magazine.
 
And so it starts...

It's just like we've all been predicting for years.

First, criminals and felons are barred from owning guns, which in and of itself, probably isn't a bad thing.

Second, figure out a way to make a small portion of gun owners into criminals and/or felons by judiciary slight-of-hand. "Oops, you weren't breaking the law until we changed it on you..." Since only a "small" portion of "fringe" gun owners are persecuted, the bulk of gun owners don't hink it will happen to them and that those being swept away in the witchhunt are "cuckoo".

Third, slowly expand the laws to encompass all gun owners. Make them all felons so they lose both their gun ownership and voting priveledges (progressive liberals don't believe in "rights"). This ensures that the now impotent former gun owners are prohibited from seeking revenge at the polls.

The state of California has decided to make law-abiding citizens and veterans into criminals for the purpose of subjugation. Don't let it happen to you...

Move to Indiana, where you can get a lifetime CCW Permit.
 
I found out some more info on this, the guy was outed by someone else but he's also an idiot. He placed the flash hider back on the rifle knowing full well that he wasn't suppose to! The ammo is just part of the whole issue and there's nothing that he can do (almost) about it.

I will say this, if you're approached by anyone with a first name that starts with a " P " for any gun stuff, walk away! And don't turn around, take my advice seriously.
 
The state of California has decided to make law-abiding citizens and veterans into criminals for the purpose of subjugation. Don't let it happen to you...

Well someone who owns an unregistered M1A with a flash suppressor technically isnt a law-abiding citizen. We all the know the law is stupid, but breaking it is even more stupid. It's not like this is a new law. By now any responsible gun owner should be aware of it.

Two evil features in CA = Assault Weapon. Period.
 
Does CA have the 2nd amendment as part of their state constitution? This might make for a good case for the Cali AWB being unconstitutional.
 
I've got a feeling that there are a lot of evil assault weapons in California squirreled away in attics, storage units, and other places, waiting for the Liberation :D
 
I've got a feeling that there are a lot of evil assault weapons in California squirreled away in attics, storage units, and other places, waiting for the Liberation

I think you're right, because when the AWB went into effect most did not register them. I can't remember the numbers but 60 or 70% did not register them, IIRC. This might be an attemp to find some of those.

Me, I had 2 registered guns and called the CDOJ to tell them I taking them with me out of state.
 
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