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shooter94
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"Does CA have the 2nd amendment as part of their state constitution? This might make for a good case for the Cali AWB being unconstitutional."
No...California does not recognize the right to keep and bear arms in it's State Constitution. In fact, the 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled the second Amendment of the Fed Constitution to mean it's a collective right, not an individual one. California under Atty Bill Lockyear has already had a Statewide confinscation edict issued from the DOJ. The alarm was sounded over Chinese SKS rifles that were able to accept standard AKM box mags. This edict was the test vehicle for any confinscation they decide to come up with. Under current State law, if you buy a handgun in California...you must prove to the State you actually live at the numerical address you've written on your registration papers. This is done by bringing in certain documents such as a utility bill with your name and numerical address written on it.
Freedom is slavery, power to the workers.
No...California does not recognize the right to keep and bear arms in it's State Constitution. In fact, the 9th Circuit Court of appeals ruled the second Amendment of the Fed Constitution to mean it's a collective right, not an individual one. California under Atty Bill Lockyear has already had a Statewide confinscation edict issued from the DOJ. The alarm was sounded over Chinese SKS rifles that were able to accept standard AKM box mags. This edict was the test vehicle for any confinscation they decide to come up with. Under current State law, if you buy a handgun in California...you must prove to the State you actually live at the numerical address you've written on your registration papers. This is done by bringing in certain documents such as a utility bill with your name and numerical address written on it.
Freedom is slavery, power to the workers.
The idea of people, like gun enthusiasts/activists, only supporting "law abiding citizens" as a way to look respectable really comes back and bites us in the butt with cases like this.
We know this law is unconstitutional and deliberately designed to take away people's rights. We know that robbing a man of two years of his life for having a flash hider and a couple bullets is simply evil. You realize what this will do to this man's life? He will lose his job, and likely have difficulty fiding another one when they uncage him, thanks to his new "felon" label. He will have difficulty getting apartments or loans. It will be illegal for him to touch a firearm for the rest of his life. His family will be forced to find some new source of income while he's being caged by the state.
And yet, we have people who actually understand how insane this is, and still stand up to condemn him because, well, California said he couldn't do this but he did anyway. We know beyond any doubt that the law is illogical and immoral, and yet we still have folks who use it as a basis for judging peoples' actions. Why?
We know this law is unconstitutional and deliberately designed to take away people's rights. We know that robbing a man of two years of his life for having a flash hider and a couple bullets is simply evil. You realize what this will do to this man's life? He will lose his job, and likely have difficulty fiding another one when they uncage him, thanks to his new "felon" label. He will have difficulty getting apartments or loans. It will be illegal for him to touch a firearm for the rest of his life. His family will be forced to find some new source of income while he's being caged by the state.
And yet, we have people who actually understand how insane this is, and still stand up to condemn him because, well, California said he couldn't do this but he did anyway. We know beyond any doubt that the law is illogical and immoral, and yet we still have folks who use it as a basis for judging peoples' actions. Why?
Zundfolge
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This story is a reminder to those Californians who are hiding their "assault" weapons to KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT!
All it takes is one guy getting busted and he'll rat out everyone he know and then each of them rats out a few more.
I just can not understand how anyone who loves their Second Amendment rights can stay in that state and continue to contribute their tax dollars to that mess.
shooter94
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It's because we have nut cases making laws for us in this State. A gunowner in California is akin to being a black man in the South in 1950. I vote everytime, everysingle time. I dont see the situation changing but getting worse. I've lost two jobs due to me mentioning in casual conversation at work that I was a recreational shooter. I now sanitize my car...meaning I dont have anything in it to inform someone walking by that I shoot i.e. "Guns&ammo" magazine etc. In southern California, you really have to be carefull who you talk to at work.
The leagal groundwork is inplace for a State wide confiscation of all firearms in California...I just hope I have enough time to get out of here before it happens.
The leagal groundwork is inplace for a State wide confiscation of all firearms in California...I just hope I have enough time to get out of here before it happens.
I agree on the stigma that is attached to shooters here in california. People treat you like an extreemist, or a terrorist, or some kind of crazy.
Another bad part about the stigma, is some people actually cultivate it, trying to be as 'out there' as possible. And the rest of us get dragged under the same stereotype.
As far as AW's in california, I make it a point to keep all of my semi automatic centerfire rifles in a strictly sporting configuration. If SHTF, five min and a screwdriver can adjust the item to the situation.
Another bad part about the stigma, is some people actually cultivate it, trying to be as 'out there' as possible. And the rest of us get dragged under the same stereotype.
As far as AW's in california, I make it a point to keep all of my semi automatic centerfire rifles in a strictly sporting configuration. If SHTF, five min and a screwdriver can adjust the item to the situation.
No_Brakes23
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Thank god I am moving out of this enemy territory before Labor Day. More for economical reasons than 2nd amendment reasons, (I don't currently have any non-kosher rifles to worry about, but I look forward to my new found rights in a better state.)
There will be a whole lot I miss about Cali, but a lot more I won't
There will be a whole lot I miss about Cali, but a lot more I won't
modifiedbrowning
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I don't think that I could agree more.
crazed_ss
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Well personally, I just think it's stupid to risk ruining your life over a flash suppressor.
We all know the law is ridiculous, but breaking it isnt gonna help anything. If anything, it's just gonna strengthen the anti's.
Know someone who went through the same kind of BS for some dynamite (which he had a permit for) and a few Illegal Fireworks, and of all things some Cannon fuse....
he got of with probation, but afterwords the police harassed his boss so much he got fired from his job of nearly 20 years.
Hence why he now lives in Idaho & now doesn't particularly care for cops to much nowdays....
Best of luck to your friend, Tell him if he gets a good Lawyer he might be able to get any sentence beaten down to Probation for a few years.....
Cannon Fuse? the green stuff they sell at all the gun stores for about a buck fifty a foot?
why exactly is that a bad thing? I like to put extended fuses on the fireworks my little cousins set off (legal fireworks) so they don't have to play with the dangerously short fuses that often come on them.
anyway didn't mean to hijjack the thread.
why exactly is that a bad thing? I like to put extended fuses on the fireworks my little cousins set off (legal fireworks) so they don't have to play with the dangerously short fuses that often come on them.
anyway didn't mean to hijjack the thread.
gunsmith
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Someone named P?
Can you be more specific?
IANAL but you can say mr P is a jerk who is ratting folks out...right?....
Can you be more specific?
IANAL but you can say mr P is a jerk who is ratting folks out...right?....
Yep, That's the Stuff
He used it for the same thing, no clue why the cops tried to prosicute a felony out of it, and the fireworks he apparently had were just a few leftovers that were outlawed the year after he got them, but legal the year before.
longeyes
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In this neck o' the woods gun ownership is the new social disease. Be realistic about that. People came here to live the fantasy. It's not going to improve, it's going to get worse. All of us who own guns in CA should be prepared to move when feasible.
HankB
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If it were 1858, someone who failed to summon authorities if they saw a runaway slave headed north on the Underground Railway technically wouldn't be considered a law-abiding citizen, either.
Creeping Incrementalism
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Would you please elaborate on this?shooter94 said:
HankB said:
I don't think the people who say the guy was a lawbreaker are saying the guy was bad, but rather he knew the consequences and played with them anyway.
gunsmith said:
On CalGuns.net he revealed that the snitch's name is Paul.
50 Shooter
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Actually I said it was a four letter word that started with P and rhymed with "awl".
As someone else said, "so it's Bob right?" Yep, watch out for those guys named Bob.
As someone else said, "so it's Bob right?"
Yep, watch out for those guys named Bob.shooter94
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I worked at a place where I had time to read on occasion...not knowing about people and their irrational fears, my choice or reading material incited hysteria among the females there. As a subcontractor, I could get replaced at anytime without ryme or reason. Leason learned...
Heck, 50 Shooter, I'd post his full name. I don't want anything to do with a person who would fink out a fellow gun owner. Such people are often the only way these disgusting laws can be enforced - I think some social shunning is totally appropriate for one who would help the feds do this to a person.
shooter94
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Thanks 308nato!
No_Brakes23
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That's the nicest thing a Texan has ever said to me as a Californian.
Creeping Incrementalism
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Scary. The office where I work, one of the more popular, long-time employees has been known to shout, "Meat is murder!" across the cubes. I usually have a gun magazine with me, but am usually two scared to take it out, and instead just surf the Internet on my breaks. I sit in the back and have glass windows in my cube walls, so I'm able to quickly minimize any incriminating evidence before the person gets in a position to see my monitor.
One time I was reading Wayne LaPierre's The Global Way on Your Guns, which I thought was safe because all someone could see is text--that is, no pictures of guns on it. Well, a friendly male co-worker, former F111 avionics specialist, came up to me and read a sub-title on the page from like 5 feet away that said something like, "U.N.s attempts to confiscate our guns", and said, "They haven't quite succeeded in that, have they?" I was caught by surprise and said, "uh, no..." and then moved on the conversation to business matters. One time he saw me surfing the Web, reading O'Reilly's interview with Michael Moore, and he made a comment out loud about how he liked O'Reilly's show. From that one comment, people who sat next to me later made further political comments both pro- and con- (about politics in general not guns). Another time, someone overheard a phone call I made about buying a (Benelli) M4, and asked if I was buying a BMW. I just said no and nothing else.
I swear, even if you might meet a fellow shooter out of it, it is just too dangerous to let any evidence about guns of any kind enter the office if you liver here. You never know when someone might just go off the deep end over it. A woman wears a lesbian earring and no one says anything about it, but whoa if you let it be known if you are a gun owner... There are so many liberals out here that are raving lunatics, and everyone just accepts it as a normal opinion, but something that has always been as common as guns.... very often totally unacceptable, no room for tolerance whatsoever.
How dare you accuse US of all people of (gasp)...
Intolerance?
INTOLERANCE??!!!!
Tolerance is our middle name, you gun fondling, death-tool worshipping bottom feeder!
How dare you even think to c-ccaalll usss... (mouth froth- eyes bug out with self-righteous rage) AAAAIIIEEAAAARGGHHHH!!!
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