LAPD. Grabbing guns, raiding houses with ATF

[tenisiejer]

"Registered" ----GOTCHA

PARDEN ME.. but I just have to say it. Guns, are like Dogs.. ( I have both ) I received an expired Dog Tag, notice while living in NY.. I inquired about the Dogs that were running loose, without tags. The ANSWER. " OH, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT... WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNERS ARE.. I had to register my 50 CAL Black powder Pistol in NY.. To make a long story short. I am a tennesseean, now.. Freedom Rings...

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

What penalty? Well sooner or later one of these SWAT guys is going to bust into a house w/o properly identifying themselves as "Police" and catch a 12ga slug or rifle round to the face.

And a split second afterwards the homeowner will be cut to ribbons in a hail of gunfire. The homeowner will be seen as an evil cop killer, not a homeowner who is trying to defend his family from a home invasion. The cops and the media will say "see! this is why we need SWAT!" and the world will forget by the next night's 10 o' clock news.
The question is what (if anything) can we do about it? AFAIK, chief's of police aren't elected, they are appointed (at least here she was).

 

[Art Eatman]

"The question is what (if anything) can we do about it? AFAIK, chief's of police aren't elected, they are appointed (at least here she was)."

The only way is to make it a political hot potato for a mayor and the city council, for any city where there is an apparent misuse of any part of law enforcement. SWAT, whatever.

That takes more than one or two disgruntled letters to the editor. It takes some organizing effort to find a fair number of like-minded people to get involved. It takes a full campaign of letters to editors, attendance at city council meetings, media interest, and time and repetition. It doesn't hurt a bit to bring it to the attention of legislative folks, either.

Otherwise, just complain on the Internet...

Art

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Look, the question I keep asking of patriotic Californians is simple. Why are you still there? There might be good reasons. You might be taking care of an ill spouse or parent. You might have children in school. You might have a bunch of different things keeping you there. But most things you can think of as reasons to stay aren't real good reasons.

If you own guns and refuse to move, don't talk about them, don't mention you own guns, don't act like you own guns. Play it like it's a non-issue. Why? It's obvious.

Cali is bankrupt. It's getting worse as the illegal problem drains off what was once perhaps the best state in the union in many ways, and turns it into little Mexico. Meanwhile, instead of encouraging gun ownership (which the people in Cali need) the government demonizes gun owners and most of the population hates guns.

Leave now. Go to Nevada, go to Washington. Go to Arizona. Go away now. The whole state is the Titanic, why are you polishing the brass rails in the dining hall?

You're state isn't yours anymore. It's the property of illegal aliens and pantywaist liberals. If you are a patriot, find a way out.

 

[Harley Quinn]

It is not LAPD it is LASO

The City and the County are very different.
So no one notices that LOL.
Why don't you rewrite, to correct?
The guy who sold the gun in CA is in violation of the law of CA, It must be done through a lic dealer DROS is done and the gun is held for 10 days and it costs $35.00 Mandated by DOJ of CA.

This kind of kiddy talk is old stuff guys. I'd like to see what would really happen to you guys who say things that are pretty silly. It is a law, it got broken because of foolishness and not going through a Proper procedure. Simple. Yes if they don't like the law they should move to another state. We have to many law breakers here as it is.

It is the law so instead of putting the blame on the two guys you want to call names and say stuff that is pretty silly. I'd say shutting the thread is a good idea.
I am surprised this thread is even going with the hidden attempts at using foul language.:banghead:

HQ

 

[50 Shooter]

Where did you get the idea that an FFL wasn't used?

The rifle my friend sold was sold through a dealer that knows both parties. There were never any backroom deals that happened, everything was done legally.

I'll say it again, if the guy had an ounce of honor left in him he would bite the bullet.

 

[stlgunfan]

Also its liek almost impossible to NOT break the law in California with all the stupid rules. stipulations when it comes to firearms its almost impossible. I took one look at the CA DOJ site and all the gun laws make your head spin, compared to MO gun laws.

What would be considered a gun crime in Kali, would prob be legal in just about every other state in American.

Thats another reason why I dont think commiting a non violent gun crime shoudl affect your gun rights in all 50 states because of some states who have communist gun laws.

California is the classic example of how the liberals will disarm us. Keep making so many gun laws until its almost impossible not to break, and so many restrictions almost everything will be outlawed, and just about every offense will DQ you.

Kalis hope would be for Hollyweird, coastal kali to fall into the ocean.

It almost seems these raids are for getting media attention, and ATF is using it to get attention also like usual hoping someone whos tired of their constituional rights being taken away resist and puts up a firefight.

 

[Socrates]

Police take all of his other guns, hoping to examine, and find more violations.
It's probably illegal to posess firearms while being prosecuted for a felony.

It's also illegal to possess firearms while on probation, so, he's probably got three years of no firearms to look forward to...

S

 

[Harley Quinn]

OK, so I would blame the dealer who held it

The dealer who held it should have made sure it was legal when given to the buyer.
That is part of the reason for it. Is that when it was found out and dealer is doing his job??? Or was it not a dealer location and a guy who just has a lic to buy and sell and not have location to work out of other then his Home?

I am not sure if many of those exist, any longer?? Does someone know if they do, out of your home gunshow thing? I believe it is upon the buyer to be aware situation.

For example it is illegal to own a dirk or dagger in CA but they sell them:banghead: Same with a baton that is made for that purpose. I believe you could buy one but the minute you have it in your possesion you are guility, Yes some of the law's are messed up big time. Need to know them. How? I don't know I think it is really a chicken law and it is sad, maybe the NRA will go to bat for them??

I am not of the opinion the dealer or the other guy should bite a bullet over this. In my thought pattern to bite the bullet is to kill self, or does it mean something different to others?

Like bite the gold to make sure it is real or

HQ

 

[stlgunfan]

Police take all of his other guns, hoping to examine, and find more violations.
It's probably illegal to posess firearms while being prosecuted for a felony.

It's also illegal to possess firearms while on probation, so, he's probably got three years of no firearms to look forward to...

S

Welcome to hotel California.

That state is a lost cause. any sane person should abandon ship at get out while they still can. Let the rest of the people drown in taxes, state overtaken by illegal aliens. Then again some of them will bring their wild eye liberal ideas and start to spread to other parts of the country just like cancer.

 

[Harley Quinn]

Give me a break stlgunfan

You mention,

Welcome to hotel California.

That state is a lost cause. any sane person should abandon ship at get out while they still can. Let the rest of the people drown in taxes, state overtaken by illegal aliens. Then again some of them will bring their wild eye liberal ideas and start to spread to other parts of the country just like cancer.


HQ mentions,

California is not over run we hardly have enough to harvest the crops right now and stuff is dying on the vine.

Many many of these illegals are coming here and going elsewhere.
What we are doing is going after the employers so they are going, to other locations.

Because you believe, a conservative person, is now a liberal cancer.

Yes we are a state, but we are also a big engine, for the rest of the US and the world. I think you are being naive.

Make sense or it may again, like someone mentioned be closed. It should be with statements like yours. :banghead:

Most of CA is made up of land of conservation and conservatives. But we have huge cities that are voting more, because of the huge population in small areas of the state and very over crowded cities. We have good voting rules and we vote right, not like some states I know of, or could mention.

So who do you want to move out of the state? Gun owners? Which group of illegals do you want to own it? Or do you just want this powerfull state to die? Become a second home, to which group of problem children?

HQ

 

[SoCalShooter]

Leaving the state is not the answer. As painful as it is to live here I have not finished college yet and will more than likely leave. But not before I have done what I can to try and make a difference in the gun laws. If you run from the problem it does not go away, gun owners in californiastan need to stand up and stop this. The liberals in this state are going to get their way if we keep leaving. The DOJ here is absolutely absurd and we are trying to get rid of him, the guy has no clue about guns and just keeps making up legistlation and giving in to the anti-gun people. We have to fight back if we give up on california the cancer will spread.

To the other comments on illegal aliens, there are a lot of them yes but you know what the california economy would go to hell if we did not have them and that friends is the truth. I am not one to harbor them but honestly at this point a wall accross our southern border is not an answer more measures and steps need to be taken but not like that.

 

[modifiedbrowning]

Harley Quinn said,

The dealer who held it should have made sure it was legal when given to the buyer.

But, 50 shooter already said,

He sold it without the evil Kali flash hider on it and told the person to put the SA Kali approved one on.

So, how is the dealer to blame? The guy who bought the rifle and got busted for putting an illegal flash suppressor on it (stupid law BTW) is to blame. He turned rat and pointed a finger at the seller, who did nothing wrong in the initial transaction.

 

[SoCalShooter]

if the weapon was sold without a flash hider then no crime was commited by the gun dealer or the owner of the firearm previous, the crime commited was the person who put the flash hider on it.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

masterblaster wrote:

A big part of the problem is the fact that these SWAT units exist.

You see they are very expensive to equip train and maintain.

So they, like a door to door vacumme cleaner salesman must make their NUT to justify their existance. There simply aren't enough extremely dangerous criminals to go around, and heck who wants to raid them anyway they might actually shoot back and ruin a perfectly good $2000 vest, not to mention the officer wearing it.

evidently you have never been to, or reside in, LA County. there are more bad guys in LA County than in most states outside of California. you also forget that SWAT teams aren't the ones out there doing the investigations and getting the warrants signed to knock in the doors. they are merely the ones instructed to execute the warrant due to their experience and training that most likely ensures that the warrant will be executed with no loss of life. would you rather have a bunch of patrol officers execute a high risk warrant? i wouldn't.

So in order to make their nut and keep their outrageous budget which could go to community policing which is way more effective at lowering the crime rate, and getting citizens to come forward and testify.....

They do SWAT raids for PR purposes and increase the count so they can argue how important they are at budget time.

this is incorrect. SWAT does not dictate which people to go after, and which houses to hit. normally, in most police departments, a detective will investigate a case and get a warrant signed. then, that detective goes over a threat assessment checklist. for example, an ex-cop gets one check, a person who is known to carry guns gets one check, an convicted felon gets one check, etc. after a certain amount of checks, SWAT must execute the warrant per department policy for safety reasons.

i think you seem to think SWAT members are foaming at the mouth to shoot someone. that is entirely wrong. you may not have ever served on a SWAT team or in law enforcement, so i suppose you may not know this.

Now the forgoing may not apply to LA where there are plenty of dangerous criminals, but it is certainly true in my home town and many other small towns and cities across America.

if you believe that is the case then i strongly urge you to go to your local law enforcement agency and ask for a copy of their department procedures as to when SWAT will be called out, and how they work. if there is a citizen's police academy, perhaps you can join it and get some insight.

 

[Harley Quinn]

SoCalShooter

I am following but I am not sure of what law or when giving it back unless you are a manufactor it could have been done.
For example if a Pawn shop takes in firearm for pawn, they report it to the police via a form to the pawn shop detail in the city or county.

They come sometimes and check it out and hold it or take it or not.
Now if it is not as strict as the pawn shops have to hold to, why not?

Now because of the loss of the gun and the loss of the pawner to redeem that is one of the reasons so many do not take the firearms much any more..
It was a good way to regulate but the Pawn broker was made the goat.

While being made the goat the pawn shop was also being stolen from by the State of CA. DOJ.

That is why in CA they had a 15 day waiting period, (hand guns) and not the 10 day they now have for all the guns. Not air rifle though. New rules laid down by many agencies made it sometimes impossible to have a Pawn shop in the town.
Talk about a wrong way deal, hold them to a higher standard. Then say they are the problem.

But it does not matter the pawn broker was and is still held responsible big time. Why not the other DROS then?

If the person who pawned the firearm, when retrieving can not do the form to receive, because they are awaiting a trial, or have been found guilty they have lost to the shop the right to pick up the firearm. Then maybe the Pawn shop will make money, or not.

Now with the new computer to do it on or fax or ??? It is much faster and they still have the name of the person who did the transaction and the finger print, or finger prints???

Rules and laws if you don't know them, you should not be in the business in the first place.

Driver Lic. same thing.

HQ

 

[slicknickns]

Americans are pussies. Remember Waco? Teach 'em a lesson. Federal agents can't really screw around with law-abiding citizens when law-abiding citizens are ready to pull the trigger, and not just on paper targets.