LAPD. Grabbing guns, raiding houses with ATF

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LAPD has a gun task force, and used ATF agents to assist in eonforcing local and state laws. Chitcago has the gestapo and so does LA. Innocent person losses their entire gun collection. :( When will someone from Chitago, California stand up to these people? I guess the ATF is needed because of those weapons of mass destruction more than 10 rd magazines.
:rolleyes:

http://www.fiftycal.org/alerts/060922/

The LA County Gun Task Force has served another search warrant on the home of another member of the fifty caliber community. On Monday September 18th, eighteen police cars swarmed the neighborhood where the FCSA member lives and served a search warrant signed by Judge Steven Kleifield of the LA County Superior Court. The officers were at the residence for several hours and confiscated all semi-automatic firearms belonging to the victim.
The probable cause for issuing the search warrant was not available in the body of the affidavit so the reason for the search is unknown at this time. It should be noted the LA Gun Task Force used "High Risk" entry tactics by sending a SWAT Entry team to make the initial entry into the victim's residence. Gun owners in LA County need to be prepared to expect these kinds of entry tactics and respond to commands from any officers if you are contacted.

FCI wants everyone to be aware that the LA County Gun Task Force is lead by agents from BATFE; LAPD and LASO. They appear to have focused their attention on members of the fifty caliber community and are aggressively trying to arrest law abiding citizens for just being "Gun Owners".

In the situation that occurred this past Monday the victim had his entire firearms collection seized and he was told charges are going to be filed because he had in his possession linked ammunition in quantities of more than 10 rounds of ammunition at a time. This has been interpreted as a violation of the "High Capacity Magazine" portion of the Assault Weapons Act in CA. The victim owns a Semi-auto M2; a semi-auto M3 and a 30 caliber semi-auto 1919

Everyone living in California needs to pay attention to what is happening in Los Angeles. This can happen to you simply because someone who knows about your firearms calls the LA Gun Task Force and gives them information they interpret as a violation of the Draconian Gun Laws they have been passing for the last five years.

We are asking everyone to review what you have in your gun safe or workshop. Take the time to find out what is against the law and what is not. Remember, our first reported incident was over a flash hider on an M-1A and some armor piercing projectiles. Don't let this happen to YOU.

We are not able to identify the person involved in the incident on Monday or give you any more info about the circumstances about what occurred at this time. We will advise and update as we can.

John Burtt, Chmn
 
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Interesting how they can "interpret.

Anyone who can stretch language enought to determine that a linked ammunition belt is a magazine, should be a liberal judge if not one already.
I will admit that a linked belt will violate the "spirit" of the law, but that is not enough. Laws have to be precise, and we have repeatedly been told that by liberal judges using any undotted "i" or uncrossed "t" to let a criminal go free.
 
Gun owners in LA County need to be prepared to expect these kinds of entry tactics duplicated by criminals and respond to commands from anybody posing as officers if you are contacted.
Fixed it.

Why do they feel the need to do a dynamic entry on someone who is law abiding and fell victim to California's rear-end wiping with the Constitution? Are there going to be any letters of appology when they come in a drill someone who thinks criminals are kicking in his door, so they can confiscate his ammo links, since we know 99.98% of crime is committed with belt feds? :barf:
 
Sometning Is Drastically Wrong Here

Why is the BATFE involved? There is no federal law prohibiting .50 caliber rifles or belted ammo. BATFE is out of their jurisdiction. Are they gearing up for another Waco debacle? Maybe hoping someone defends their right to keep and bear their arms so they can put on a good show?

The fan is revving, and the sphincter is dilating, my friends.

Woody

"Revolution is the Right of the People to preserve or restore Freedom. Those vested with power should never deprive the People the means, for it may compel such recourse." B.E.Wood
 
The fan is not revving... at least not in CA.

I'm sure the >10rds in a belt is against the rules in CA. The guy got busted fair and square, most likely, for a lame technicality.

Of course, while the cali DOJ harasses the guy with 11 rounds on a belt, the crack still gets slung with the quickness right in front of the same turds who bust you and I for having 1 too many rounds.

Someday, someone will be the subject of an illegal search and seizure and they will shoot. We'll still lose. At least CA will. Get the hell out and let them drown in taxes and entitlements. We'll take you in the south.
 
I can't wait to see what they were looking for. That article didn't report it though. And who turned him in, or what transpired for the authorities to pick up on him?

Either way, CA is in violation of the constitution whether the courts say so or not. The whole idea of the second amendment was so that the civilian population could arm themselves with the common arms available to the normal soldiers. And now you can't even own a real AR15 there.
 
In IL they are doing something similar. Chitcago PD and ISP formed the CAGE unit. They going around door to door in CHI and taking peoples firearms. turns out ISP has the records of every multiple gun purchase in the United States since 1992, and is now registering peoples guns without permission. ISP has also been contacting IL gunshops and getting serial numbers.

I'd love to see those Commies come over to Missouri, or Indiana like Bloomers lackies did.
 
:fire: busted fair and square????? He may had those belts long before the law went into effect, he may have only shot them down to 11 rounds and then relinked them thus maintaining the "high capacity" and avoiding the "manufacture" of a mag greater than ten rounds. Point is we dont know the circumstances and theres no such thing as fair and square when it comes to the silly damn laws in this state. Note that his ENTIRE collection was SEIZED because he MAY have done some thing defined as illegal in Callif that is LEGAL in almost every other state in the USofA:banghead:
 
How did Kali take away his other semi autos?

Hes NOT convicted of the crime. How do they have authority to take all his guns, not just the magazines?

They are breaking federal law then. If hes not convicted he can still legally own and posess them.
 
I remember during Katrina they had California, Chitcago Gestapo going to peoples houses and taking away the guns.

I even remember seeing Mexican soilders, not sure if they took part in it though. Id love to see the Mexican army come to my door!:cuss:
 
That's scary stuff. Normally you think of gun charges as being something added to other "real" criminal charges. Sounds like these guys are just going after ordinary collectors, people who own these things without criminal intent, but may have some parts that are technically illegal.

I guess it's a lot easier to go after people like that than it is to go after real violent criminals.
 
I remember during Katrina they had California, Chitcago Gestapo going to peoples houses and taking away the guns.


Duh! Think about it. If you planned a firearm confiscation, would you send your rookies, or would you send your experienced pros?

:barf:
 
Am I still in America? It seems like it really is time to start feeding those hogs. I am really sick of this all.
You're not alone in that opinion, a fact I'm sure you realize.

When growing up, all the cop shows I used to watch as the police worrying about if what they were doing was within the law and if they were staying within its bounds. Granted they were just plesant fiction...

Now, it would seem that cops are pushing the law as far as possible, to see what they can get away with before being slapped on the wrist by the courts.

No longer America we knew, but now the nascent North American Union. :barf:
 
This same thread has come up here and keeps getting closed, the person in question is a friend of mine. This whole issue stems from my friend selling an M1A to someone else he knew. He sold it without the evil Kali flash hider on it and told the person to put the SA Kali approved one on.

This person didn't listen (put an evil one on) and in the process he obviously bragged about it and showed off the rifle to someone else. You guessed it, the person he showed it to gets nabbed for something and then rolls on the M1A guy. DOJ and LAPD task force pay a visit to M1A guy and find the rifle and in the process find tracer and incendiary ammo also. We all know that the state of CA doesn't allow it's subjects to have this type of ammo and considers it a FELONY loaded or not.

Now M1A guy is in BIG trouble, so he tells (or someone made up the story/lied) the task force he bought the rifle that way. So instead of the DOJ or the task force calling my friend and asking, they raided his house. Gotta do something to keep themselves funded ya know.:barf:

So, the moral to this story is.... Take a picture of whatever firearm you're selling, that way if there's ever any question you'll have proof that the other person is a POS!
 
50 Shooter said:
Now M1A guy is in BIG trouble, so he tells (or someone made up the story/lied) the task force he bought the rifle that way. So instead of the DOJ or the task force calling my friend and asking, they raided his house. Gotta do something to keep themselves funded ya know.

You have got to be kidding me. The guy who got ratted out, does the same thing to someone else? That is disgusting beyond words. I don't feel sorry for him anymore. I hope most gun owners have more backbone than that.

And by the way, it is not illegal to possess ammo-feeding devices of over 10 round in California. Importing and selling is illegal, but possessing is not.
 
Everyone keeps talking about "the law"... it isn't illegal to possess "high capacity" magazines, etc.

What's the point?

It doesn't matter what the law says. What matters is being raided, thrown to the ground, handcuffed, and having all of your guns confiscated. "But that's illegal!" So what? What penalty will anyone suffer? Will anyone be jailed, or fired, or fined? No. So, they'll keep doing stuff like this.

"The law" is for common peons like us to obey. It isn't there to restrict our overlords from doing as they see fit.
 
The other moral of the story here is to do all your transfers through a store-front FFL dealer.

But this whole thing is ugly. There are crimes committed every day in California, real crimes like rapes, murders, etc. You know what, they don't even investigate a lot of rapes, and a good chunk of murders are never solved, because they don't have the resources... but they have time to go after someone who violates some meaningless technicality like this. What is the difference between a flash-hider and a muzzle brake anyway? I doubt I could tell them apart with confidence.
 
Jnojr,
What penalty will anyone suffer? Will anyone be jailed, or fired, or fined? No. So, they'll keep doing stuff like this.
What penalty? Well sooner or later one of these SWAT guys is going to bust into a house w/o properly identifying themselves as "Police" and catch a 12ga slug or rifle round to the face.

Of course the home owner will be charged with murder if he is not gunned down imediately. All the media outlets will go on about this paranoid extremist's "arsenal" and the BAR "assault rifle" that he used to fire the .270 "Cop-Killer, Armor-peircing" round.

No one will question the need for the police's use of force, after all he prominately displayed 13 linked rounds of (dummy) .50BMG, which made him a criminal. The presence of guns in his house made him "Dangerous" so there was no need to investigate him and determine the level of threat that he posed.:banghead:
 
A big part of the problem is the fact that these SWAT units exist.

You see they are very expensive to equip train and maintain.

So they, like a door to door vacumme cleaner salesman must make their NUT to justify their existance. There simply aren't enough extremely dangerous criminals to go around, and heck who wants to raid them anyway they might actually shoot back and ruin a perfectly good $2000 vest, not to mention the officer wearing it.

So in order to make their nut and keep their outrageous budget which could go to community policing which is way more effective at lowering the crime rate, and getting citizens to come forward and testify.....

They do SWAT raids for PR purposes and increase the count so they can argue how important they are at budget time.

Now the forgoing may not apply to LA where there are plenty of dangerous criminals, but it is certainly true in my home town and many other small towns and cities across America.
 
Yes, there are dangerous criminal types here in los angeles. Which is why honest hardworking, law abiding gun owners are pissed off at being targeted. It seems like these guys would rather burst down the door of a guy who went through all the trouble of building (and registering) a few semi autos than go storm the meth lab down the street.

They come off as C.S. for going after soft targets for the media exposure.

there is no way to prove that he linked the belts after the ban.

heck everyone had ammo belts back in the day, it was punk rock

I had a belt of 20mm and a bunch of .30cal all the way back when I was 14.
 
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