Well this is sad, Baylor is in Texas right?

[waterhouse]

What the gun lobby conveniently forgets is that the mental history of Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho should have prevented him from ever obtaining a gun in the first place.

I didn't forget this tidbit. I just have more faith in my ability to protect myself than I do in a faulty system that attempts to keep guns out of criminals hands.

The problem is not with the laws, but with the ability of the system to work properly. If it did, Cho would not have been able to purchase a gun and the conversation may not have gone in this direction.

I agree. But Cho was able to purchase a gun. So I want to have my gun too, just in case. How's that for some "circular logic."

 

[Nolo]

One thing, I would be willing to bet that that CDC statistic is false. I don't know it is, but I'd be willing to bet it's at least skewed. Second, there were roughly twice as many car-related deaths in 2001 as there were gun related accidents, so I think he should be trying to ban cars first. Third, even if Cho had been on the NICBCS, there would have been nothing stopping him getting a gun. Really. Think about it. He hated these kids enough to want to kill them and then himself for pleasure. Such a man, if he can be called that, does not lie down for the law.
Heck, I'm not that kind of man, and I don't lie down for the law.

 

[Fburgtx]

SevenMichael,
While Baylor might seem liberal compared to "bible" schools such as Howard Payne and Wayland Baptist, it is hardly liberal when compared to schools such as UT Austin or even private schools such as SMU or Rice. The fact is, that with a student body of almost 14,000 students, a few liberals are gonna be there.
As mentioned, Baylor didn't allow dancing on campus until 1995, and they will toss you out in a New York minute if they find out you are co-habitating(living with someone of the opposite sex)/are pregnant out of wedlock/are homosexual. I would hardly call this a "liberal" institution unless perhaps I was a die-hard Southern Baptist who was offended by them dropping out of the BGCT.

 

[USMC6177]

If the state is responsible for our saftey then the shooting victims should sue the state.....oh thats right they can't. The state isn't liable. How many times has this shut up anti gunners? quite a few.

The CDC statistics are false. Asking the CDC about firearms safety is like asking Stalin about the benefits of slave labor.

40 SW permission to use this as a sig line? I think it is the cats @$$

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

According to the Centers for Disease Control, there were 776 accidental deaths and 75,685 injuries from firearms in 2001.

According to the CDC WISQARS database, there were 63,012 injuries from firearms in 2001. However, this includes ALL intents (assault, robbery, attempted homicide, attempted suicide, etc.) and not just accidents. If you limit it to just unintentional firearms injuries, the number drops to 17,696, making firearms an absurdly safe hobby by comparison.

There were 802 accidental deaths involving firearms in 2001 according to the same website.

I am not sure where he got the numbers from; but it doesn't appear to be the CDC. My guess is he mangled his cite in some manner.

If you are going to argue RKBA online or in the newspapers, it is a GREAT idea to familiarize yourself with the WISQARS website. It not only allows you to figure out how your opponents are twisting the stats (counting 21yr old criminals as "children", including homicides and suicides in injury figures to scare people from keeping one around the house, etc.). It also lets you offer handy comparisons - like the fact that in 2001, 15,019 people died from accidental falls, 14,078 from accidental poisoning, 5,555 from accidental suffocation, and 3,281 from accidental drowning.

When you start making those comparisons, the 802 accidental firearms deaths start looking pretty unimpressive.

 

[RCouch]

Fburgtx - Baylor is still affiliated with the BGCT but no longer has a majority of trustees appointed by the BGCT. They are not affiliated with the SBC as they have started their own Seminary(Truett) in opposition to Southwestern Seminary.
Someone else commented about rich kids at Baylor - there are some of course, but my mom and dad, my daughter and my two grandkids weren't rich and they all are Baylor Alums. Maybe I'm rich and didn't know it.

 

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I was going to post something along the lines of the misuse of logic, but I really don't feel like typing out an example for each violation from this article at two in the morning.

 

[Red6]

To #2

"because the state has a responsibility to ensure the safety of its citizens in those locations. "

The state is under NO OBLIGATION to respond. Besides the obvious, that police can't be everywhere, always present, or move at light speed, it is a misconception that the police must respond at all.

Articles like this are built on a false premise; they tend to be very editorial in nature and use fallacies in the construct in their argument.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

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