Well, who knew: "...gun accidentally shatters toilet."

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Those dastardly guns just going around shattering toilets, even it they don't mean to do it.

Ok, the actual newspaper headline: "Teacher hurt when gun accidentally shatters toilet"

The headline is from a newspaper article in Minnesota, but the event took place in Utah.

The teacher had a permit and was carrying legally in the school.

Bathroom breaks can be problematic if one hasn't thought it out and practiced ahead of time.

From the old "Hill Street Blues" show, "Be careful out there."
 
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Teachers are not required to disclose that they are carrying a weapon, and administrators are prohibited from asking if they carry or barring them from bringing their weapons.
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Well they know who is carrying now. :rolleyes:
 
Well, at least the toilet only got her in the leg. I definitely wouldn’t want to be her when she returns to school, I can imagine the wise cracks.
 
"a preliminary investigation by school district police found the shooting appeared to be accidental and not the result of negligence"

I really don't think this helps. The gun fired when it wasn't supposed to, how did that happen? I think that's a question which deserves to be investigated.

Modern firearms don't just accidentally discharge when the trigger hasn't been pulled. Did the teacher choose to carry a firearm that didn't have a drop safety? Did the teacher try to catch the firearm as it dropped, catching the trigger? What happened?

We shouldn't treat this as simply an accident that will happen occasionally when teachers carry. A firearm discharged unexpectedly in a school. That's a problem. Declaring it an 'accident' rather than 'negligence' when all the facts aren't in is also a problem.
 
modern firearms do accidentally discharge when the trigger is not pulled.
do not doubt me on this one.

retrain and let it go.....
 
I recognize the fact that theres a 99.99% the teacher did something to make the gun discharge. However, if you support the idea of teachers carrying in school some of this will happen.
 
Fundamental incompetence in carrying a firearm is the problem in this and the Chemistry professor ND. The Antis especially love to see any staffer or adult student in a school of any type have a weapons related incident. It is the most basic key to good propaganda against us to have "one of our own" be so stupidly irresponsible to carry a gun without properly securing it against a negligent discharge.
 
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modern firearms do accidentally discharge when the trigger is not pulled.
do not doubt me on this one.

retrain and let it go.....


Got any examples? Personally, I have yet to see a handgun discharge without the trigger being pulled, whether intentionally or not, whether by the human hand or another object accidentally in the trigger guard. And I have been around a lot of handguns in a lot of places in a lot of circumstances. And any time someone says "just trust me", my spidey sense gets all tingly. They're either selling used cars or talking out their posterior orifice. My bet is this was a case of fumbling for it as it began to slide from the position she normally carried it. In other words, one of her fingers likely got in the trigger guard accidentally.
 
modern firearms do accidentally discharge when the trigger is not pulled.
do not doubt me on this one.

retrain and let it go.....
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The incident rate is so low it's usually not the reason the gun discharged. It's almost always due to negligence. Of the thousands of ND's that apparently occur during the year, the most often reason cited by the owner is that "it went off."

Unfortunately, the excuse is so overused, and forensics examinations of the guns thorough enough, it's usually proven that it was owner negligence in most of the cases. They did something wrong, and the gun discharged because of that - not a infintesimally small chance that some parts were made to come out of engagement and the firing pin struck the primer.

Firearms owners who carry need to approach it with the same respect that light airplane owners do about engine maintenance. If they fail, they fall out of the sky with life threatening results.

But being humans, they don't do so well there, either. I don't see where retraining is the key if you are lucky to survive the incident. It basically implies the initial training was deficient. Why does doing the same thing over again mean you will get better results? The incident itself is a more potent motivator.

Therefore, due to the highly likely probability the gun didn't just go off, and the owners handling was the cause, there remains a lot of doubt about it. It's not a court of law, it's the court of reality, and with negligent discharges, you are guilty until proven innocent.

It's pretty rare someone gets off clean.
 
I am watching one of my guns right now to see if it has a mind of its own. ..

Instructor did something to discharge. I have seen six shooters improperly tuned where a slight movement set them off but blame that on bubbamanship. I also have seen people drop in sears on 1911 without safety checks and have hammer follow, legs on sear too long. Both cases due to poor work.
 
I have a Remington 700 in 30-06 that was manufactured in 1969 I believe. One day back in the late 70's the gun fired when I closed the bolt. I have replayed that instance 1000's of times and still can't put my finger on the trigger. My left hand was on the stock and my right hand was on the bolt.
No one else was around and the guns was pointed down range so there was never a chance that anyone was in danger. I ordered a new bolt, which took a while back then because the internet was slower, and it has never happened again but I am still wary of that gun. It is pretty much a safe queen.
 
lxd55 said:
modern firearms do accidentally discharge when the trigger is not pulled.
do not doubt me on this one.

retrain and let it go.....
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Can we get a mechanism for this? I absolutely doubt you. OR is this a typo. Did you mean to have a " NOT " in there?

AS for this negligence, or negligent discharge - one thing I learned really early and now I am starting to see it in articles. YOU MUST HAVE A BATHROOM STRATEGY. For men, maybe not as hard, but for women your system must fit your need and your system must work perfectly with your outfit. In this case it didn't. Most likely some strap or so cord or something hung on the trigger, a trigger without a hard safety.
 
OilyPablo said:
Can we get a mechanism for this? I absolutely doubt you. OR is this a typo. Did you mean to have a " NOT " in there?

AS for this negligence, or negligent discharge - one thing I learned really early and now I am starting to see it in articles. YOU MUST HAVE A BATHROOM STRATEGY. For men, maybe not as hard, but for women your system must fit your need and your system must work perfectly with your outfit. In this case it didn't. Most likely some strap or so cord or something hung on the trigger, a trigger without a hard safety.
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Part of the bathroom strategy (and strategy in general) is NEVER TRY TO CATCH A DROPPED GUN! It's instinct, but it's extremely dangerous. The natural reaction is to grab it hard, but if one of your fingers finds its way inside the trigger guard then very bad things will happen. I'm sure there are exceptions (like guns that aren't drop-safe, but then you're hosed either way), but I'd rather clean a gun that was accidentally dropped into an un-flushed toilet than go to the hospital with a bullet or toilet shrapnel embedded in various parts of my body.

I don't know if that's what happened in this case, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

Matt
 
Two things came to mind.

1 - Remember when Cherry bombs were met with a smirk and a shaking head.

2 - "Classes continued as usual Thursday, and crisis counselors were available, Horsley said." Now, I'm shaking my head.
 
The crisis counselor part is the funniest to me.....

That and I hope she had the good sense to flush first before firing.
 
herkyguy said:
The crisis counselor part is the funniest to me.....

That and I hope she had the good sense to flush first before firing.
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She probably had to flush again AFTER firing too! LOL!

Thank GOD there were crisis counselors there... to think what would happen if they didn't show up that day...

:rolleyes:
 
The crisis counselors are there to talk about the situation with the young children who heard a teacher was shot and saw her being taken out in the ambulance. Do you people think that might not be something that would upset an elementary school child who doesn't have a full understanding of what happened?
 
Be willing to bet its negligence. Modern firearms do not go off when dropped. Had an instructor (LEO instructor at N. Texas Police Acadamy) talking about this recently. He was going on about the "it just went off..." excuse he'd heard from officers regarding an AD and he was adamant that due to the drop testing new firearms are subjected to, no, repeat NO modern firearm allowed to be sold in this country today can discharge from being dropped.

I suppose there are no absolutes and it could happen but the teacher probably dropped it and tried to catch it. I wouldn't want to admit a bonehead error either but I'd just be grateful to walk away without hurting myself or someone nearby.
 
Just the one?

Moments before, Sherri Thourot had watched her husband fire and reload the Jennings 9mm. Then he set it down for her to shoot next at the range.

That's when the handgun started firing on its own, she said, spinning around in circles, landing the Thourots and an Irish tourist in the hospital.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...akeland-gun-range-shoots-three-people/1041591

I have also seen where a worn loose holster got stuck on the trigger and the gun fired while being replaced in the holster. A draw string fob got pulled a trigger too.

This school AD/ND wasn't like the above incidents.
 
The crisis counselors are there to talk about the situation with the young children who heard a teacher was shot and saw her being taken out in the ambulance. Do you people think that might not be something that would upset an elementary school child who doesn't have a full understanding of what happened?
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No.

As a family, we have discussed all life issues together. We discuss life issues with our close friends. It is part of being a father and mother; learning how to handle the up's and downs of life.
 
I always laugh when I see these stories. Lots of this happens in the bathroom. What are these people doing with their guns in the stall to have so many of these stories?

If you google "gun discharge in bathroom" and cruise through the pages you'll see lots of these stories.
 
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