Ala Dan
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The most goregous of the bunch is a factory nickel Browning BDA; but I carry
a KEL-TEC P3AT .380~!
a KEL-TEC P3AT .380~!
what 380 is good?
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The P-3AT and the LCP are both DAO and have almost exactly the same firing mechanisms and both have hammer driven strikers.
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gordy
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On reveiw of the pictures, I stand corrected. It seems the ruger is almost a exact copy of the kel-tec. that is so ruger. there is many more parts in the ruger. that may or maynot be a improvement. but I like the kel-tec.
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verdun59
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sidheshooter, this will make you feel better. You are not the only guy on the planet that did not have success with the Bersa .380.
Count me in that army too.
On another note, I see a couple of people say they want the Kahr
P380 but since they can't find one they have bought the DE Micro.
Hey I did the same thing, long story short, the DE Micro is gone
and I now have a Kahr P380. NOW here is the point .. there is no
comparison between the two, absolutely none ( other than the fact that the are both guns and both use .380 ammo ). I am not
bashing any guns here just expressing past experience. I never bash any guns with the exception of AMTs, and I can't help myself in that case.
Count me in that army too.
On another note, I see a couple of people say they want the Kahr
P380 but since they can't find one they have bought the DE Micro.
Hey I did the same thing, long story short, the DE Micro is gone
and I now have a Kahr P380. NOW here is the point .. there is no
comparison between the two, absolutely none ( other than the fact that the are both guns and both use .380 ammo ). I am not
bashing any guns here just expressing past experience. I never bash any guns with the exception of AMTs, and I can't help myself in that case.
TexasBill
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Walther PK380. Priced just a little bit more than the LCP, but a lot more pistol for the money. Nine rounds, including one in the pipe, easy to shoot, big enough to hold onto, has functioned flawlessly with every type of ammunition I have fed it, flat enough to carry IWB under a loose shirt. I paid $450 for my First Edition with the extra magazine and holster but I've seen the regular version locally for about $350.
It will fit in a coat pocket or cargo pocket, but it's not designed to conceal in your underwear which is the only reason I can imagine for an LCP. I can (and have) put a couple of boxes of ammo through the Walther in a single visit to the range, but I'm not sure I would want to fire an entire box through the LCP unless I was wearing shooting gloves. The same is true of a a lot of the glorified derringers that combine too much "fire" with too little "arm." Self-defense tests enough skills; endurance doesn't need to be added.
My other .380 is a Beretta 84FS Cheetah. IMHO, it's a toss-up as to whether the Beretta or the SIG 232 is the best .380 pistol. Both are sweet-shooting, premium-quality firearms that will serve faithfully for many years. The SIG is more concealable, the Beretta has 14 rounds, including one in the pipe. The aluminum-framed Beretta does weigh in at a hefty 29 ounces, fully loaded, just three ounces less than my polymer-framed FNP-9 with 17 rounds, but it fits my hand so beautifully, it's still one of my favorite carry weapons. I have two Beretta leather holsters: an OWB thumb-snap and a shoulder rig. Both are molded to the gun and are quite comfortable.
For a normal CCW, I would highly recommend taking a look at the new Walther; I have been extremely pleased with mine.
It will fit in a coat pocket or cargo pocket, but it's not designed to conceal in your underwear which is the only reason I can imagine for an LCP. I can (and have) put a couple of boxes of ammo through the Walther in a single visit to the range, but I'm not sure I would want to fire an entire box through the LCP unless I was wearing shooting gloves. The same is true of a a lot of the glorified derringers that combine too much "fire" with too little "arm." Self-defense tests enough skills; endurance doesn't need to be added.
My other .380 is a Beretta 84FS Cheetah. IMHO, it's a toss-up as to whether the Beretta or the SIG 232 is the best .380 pistol. Both are sweet-shooting, premium-quality firearms that will serve faithfully for many years. The SIG is more concealable, the Beretta has 14 rounds, including one in the pipe. The aluminum-framed Beretta does weigh in at a hefty 29 ounces, fully loaded, just three ounces less than my polymer-framed FNP-9 with 17 rounds, but it fits my hand so beautifully, it's still one of my favorite carry weapons. I have two Beretta leather holsters: an OWB thumb-snap and a shoulder rig. Both are molded to the gun and are quite comfortable.
For a normal CCW, I would highly recommend taking a look at the new Walther; I have been extremely pleased with mine.
stchman
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I really like my Ruger LCP. Small, lightweight, and easily concealable.
Cabela's had a whole bunch of .380 so I bought 700 rounds.
Cabela's had a whole bunch of .380 so I bought 700 rounds.
stchman
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To kokapelli:
The P3AT and LCP have nearly identical dimensions.
P3AT:
L - 5.2
H - 3.5
W - 0.77
Wt - 8.3oz (without mag)
LCP
L - 5.16
H - 3.60
W - 0.82
Wt - 9.4oz (with empty mag)
Those are VERY similar numbers and the LCP can use P3AT mags. Also the LCP has a manual slide stop. The LCP has far better fit and finish than the P3AT. The LCP has all edges rounded while the P3AT has some sharp edges and corners.
The P3AT and LCP have nearly identical dimensions.
P3AT:
L - 5.2
H - 3.5
W - 0.77
Wt - 8.3oz (without mag)
LCP
L - 5.16
H - 3.60
W - 0.82
Wt - 9.4oz (with empty mag)
Those are VERY similar numbers and the LCP can use P3AT mags. Also the LCP has a manual slide stop. The LCP has far better fit and finish than the P3AT. The LCP has all edges rounded while the P3AT has some sharp edges and corners.
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sidheshooter
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verdun59, we must be walking the same path.
I can say this for my errant bersa .380: it is still a heck of a lot better gun than an older AMT backup I once knew in the same caliber.
Let's face it: unreliable, but handsome with a sweet trigger pull, still beats unreliable, homely and a trigger pull heavier than a 1940s case D tractor's hand clutch any day...
orionengnr
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LCP about 10 oz, Bersa 24 oz empty. That alone disqualifies the Bersa from any serious consideration...in my mind. The only legitimate advantage of a .380 is that it is tiny and light. If it is neither, why not carry a more competent cartidge?
I have a 9mm that weighs 14 oz, and two .45acps that weigh 18.5 and 24 oz respectively.
Each is utterly reliable, has a good/great trigger (one is a 1911). True, neither caries 13 rounds, but I don't plan on missing that many times. And 13 x 90 gr does not even come close to 8 x 230 gr.
I own an LCP, and may buy a Kahr P380. None of the others hold my interest.
I have a 9mm that weighs 14 oz, and two .45acps that weigh 18.5 and 24 oz respectively.
Each is utterly reliable, has a good/great trigger (one is a 1911). True, neither caries 13 rounds, but I don't plan on missing that many times. And 13 x 90 gr does not even come close to 8 x 230 gr.
I own an LCP, and may buy a Kahr P380. None of the others hold my interest.
Extremely Pro Gun
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The Bersa is a good gun but POINTLESS the problem is that there are smaller 9mms!!!
I Like the Ruger LCP ONLY because its little!!!!
For example: The Walther PPS is the same size as the Glock 36 thats a big ***.
I Like the Ruger LCP ONLY because its little!!!!
For example: The Walther PPS is the same size as the Glock 36 thats a big ***.
Just One Shot
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No, my wife's a brunette.
huntsman
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I carry a BDA and if I wanted a pocket gun it would be a Seecamp LWS 380.
Steve 48
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My German made PPKS is the most accurate 380 but I often carry the P3AT if it's summer.
verdun59
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sidheshooter, since we are walking the same path, maybe you will be kind enough to tell me the next gun to be avoided. It's just costing too much the way I'm going.........
RonBernert
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I carried a Sig Sauer 230 until it got too heavy to carry. Then I moved to a PPK and didn't like it. I had an AMT .380 B'UP and sold it. I moved on to a Polish P-64 in 9mm Makarov and carried that one for a while.. he 9mm Mak had more punch and more available ammo. I like the .380 round, but availability really scares me....
Sig P230 got too heavy to carry and you moved to a PPK? Maybe we are talking completely different guns, but in my research I found the P232 weights in at 16.8 oz, and the PPK/s at 22.4 oz, both without mags. Is the P230 a lot heavier than the P232, or the PPK/s a lot heavier than a PPK? I can't imagine a P232 being too heavy to carry, but i'm a big guy.
Anyway, I see .380 ammo all ove the place in KC now. Its not always in stock, but if you look around a little you can always find it finally.
Anyway, I see .380 ammo all ove the place in KC now. Its not always in stock, but if you look around a little you can always find it finally.
sidheshooter
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to quote the infamous Bill Clinton: "I feel your pain".
Wish I could help. All I can say is, for the love of pete, don't buy one of the new Taurus TCPs until we've had a few more range reports logged in...
(and that is *not* a bash on Taurus specifically, btw, that is a bash on any new, quick to market, micro .380...)
JMidJr
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While I only have 175 rounds through it, so far I'm impressed with the Diamondback DB380
RonBernert
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Sorry, I think I had them mixed up. You're right.. PPK then Sig. I remember now because after I got "bit" by the PPK once, I never shot it again. I liked the Sig, but someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse..
D!rty H@rry
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does the mag realease painfully jab your trigger finger?
The mag release is flush and just about impossible to accidentally activate.
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