What about the new Ruger LCP?

[ToadPS]

Lol! Count me as one very happy Ruger beta tester I guess.

I have, in various calibers, Colts, Smiths, Rugers, a Glock, a Taurus and even a couple of Hi-Points sitting in the safe. I'm not a total fanboi of any brand. I buy what I want to buy and shoot. If they fail to function, they hit the road.

There are 3 LCPs in the family, all 370s that had to go back for the recall.

They all shot fine before the recall, they still shoot fine after getting the diamond.

I did have some trouble with MagTech .380 and the Rem Green Box 88gr HP. Both of these had feed issues in the gun. Everything else runs fine through them. All three well past 500 rounds each. Carry ammo is Corbon DPX although I used Golden Sabers earlier and still would.

So buy one or don't. Makes me no diff; I've already decided that they are really nice little carry pistols.

BTW, I know I'll incense a few folks but I really like my Taurus PT-1911 too. Heck of a pistol for what I paid which was about $425 for a new blue. Gave that to my son because he wanted one and picked up a stainless I wanted for just under $600.

Moral of the story is buy what you want to shoot then shoot it a lot. If it doesn't suit you, somebody will take it off your hands.

Bet I could sell my LCP in a heartbeat, but I won't.

 

[stubbicatt]

I carry mine in my pocket when circumstances make it unrealistic to carry my P7 in a holster in my waistband.

So far it has always gone "bang." It is easy to shoot and doesn't sting the web of the hand. I like mine.

 

[earlthegoat2]

as for fit and finish the LCP is not a kel tec clone. As far as general looks and function it is.

You can pay a little more for the LCP and it would not be money badly spent. If your a true penny pincher go for the kel tec.

There is no real world technical differences between them. Choose wisely but you already have if you got one or the other.

 

[rhoggman]

There is no real world technical differences between them.

WRONG!

If you mean, "Will Ruger survive because of the Little Crappy Pistol debacle?" Then yes, they will be just fine.

If you mean, "Will the Little Crappy Pistol come through in the market and surpass Kel-Tec in sales and quality?" Then I don't think so. Not for a while at least. Ruger has a good name, but the LCP has had a terrible start and then there is the price difference: KEL-TEC $324 MSRP vs Ruger $347* MSRP. Now, you're probably thinking, "That's not that big a difference for the Ruger name." That would normally be true until you realize that the asterisk next to the price means you are paying $347 to be a beta tester for Ruger.

Now, maybe in about a year or so, Ruger will have worked out all the kinks in their P3AT clone and I will finally trade in my P3AT for the Ruger or maybe just get the Ruger.

But not for quite a while; sometime after the beta testers have found all the issues.

Remember, this is a gun used to protect you family and your life...

There are so many misleading statements in the above quote I have to believe the poster is emotionally biased or hasn't yet really looked into the LCP with any real intentions of discovering its worthiness.

I will say that I was too sceptical, and did quite a bit of research before I decided to buy the LCP instead of the P3AT.

First of all the LCP has a couple of things that the Kel-Tec does not. Ruger did not just copy the design, they improved upon it. To be fair the new Tuarus TCP 738 (not shipping yet) improves upon the LCP.

As far as reliability goes Kel-Tec continues to have many issues, and they never recalled their pistols for safety issues. THE KELTEC MANUAL FOR THE P3AT tells you (pg10)**NEVER** to load a round directly into the chamber!!! So by the manufacturer's own warning the Kel-Tec takes away 6 +"1 in the pipe". Unless of coarse you load one from the magazine, drop the mag, and replace the round, and reinsert the mag.... sweeeeet!

LCP has 3 features the Kel-Tec does not
Manual slide hold open
Loaded chamber view
More reliable extractor

I have over 250 rounds of FMJ and hollow points through mine and have yet to have a single problem of any sort with it.

Did I mention it also looks much cleaner than the Kel-Tec; meaning it actually looks like a well manufactured firearm. The frame on the Kel-Tec looks like a 3rd grader peeled it out of a plado mold. I'm only being funny. I think they are both good firearms, but I think the Ruger edges out the P3AT by a good margin.

Speaking of sales I would like to see the numbers on who is winning that race. I would put my money on the LCP at this point in time.

 

[TRGRHPY]

gglas: You are right on about your post. This whole design copy is a bunch of BS. Other than being a small pocket pistol, what is the "copy"? I have a photo comparison and just don't see it. The LCP is about as much of a copy as any of the modern plastic squarish handguns out there compare to each other. Might as well call an XDM a glock clone. BTW, how many of you complainers also have a 1911 or an AR?

From the time that my lcp was mailed to the time that it arrived on my doorstep, it took 5 days. Not bad for a recall, and Ruger payed for every cent. And they included a magazine and a hat. I don't know what else anyone expects from a manufacturer. They realized a problem and took immediate steps to fix it. Now if they hadn't done that, the same lot of you who complain about the recall would complain that they didn't do a recall.

 

[psyprofessor]

Is there a physical mechanism to make it drop safe?

I realize that Ruger has fixed their LCP pistols so that it is now "drop safe". Is there a physical barrier now installed in the LCP to prevent AD when dropped?

What makes it now "drop safe"?

(I realize that the best safety is "between one's ears" and that there are always possibilities of mechanical failure. But aside from the issue of a mechanical failure...is there a physical safety within the inner workings of the LCP to make it "drop safe"?)

 

[brett30030]

Why don't people use the search feature or read more than 10 posts before asking a question that has been posted at least 20 times before. It amazes me even more that folks take the time to respond.......Ahhh, there we go, i had to get my rant off

 

[rhoggman]

Why don't people use the search feature or read more than 10 posts before asking a question that has been posted at least 20 times before. It amazes me even more that folks take the time to respond.......Ahhh, there we go, i had to get my rant off

It amazes me that people like you don't do a search before you read to make sure you don't stumble across related threads.
What amazes me more is you read the same thing more than once, and then actually take the time to complain (respond) about it.
How about just not being a information snob. Since you already have a piece of information, either continue to share it or quit typing.

 

[trekgod3]

. THE KELTEC MANUAL FOR THE P3AT tells you (pg10)**NEVER** to load a round directly into the chamber!!!

Seriously? Do I really have to explain this one to you? You really mis-interpreted that badly. That statement from the manual does not refer to carrying +1 or "one in the pipe". It means the cartridges have to be loaded from the magazine into the chamber. It is telling you not to manually chamber a round by pulling the slide back and dropping a round into the chamber by hand.:banghead:

 

[rhoggman]

Seriously? Do I really have to explain this one to you? You really mis-interpreted that badly. That statement from the manual does not refer to carrying +1 or "one in the pipe". It means the cartridges have to be loaded from the magazine into the chamber. It is telling you not to manually chamber a round by pulling the slide back and dropping a round into the chamber by hand.

Two sentences below where I wrote that I explained the procedure for loading a round from the mag, dropping the mag, replacing the missing round, reinserting the mag. IMO that is a silly process to have to go through. The point is Ruger added a manual slide hold open. Taurus actually improves upon this more by adding an actual slide lock.

 

[jocko]

My bet even the taurus will be better than both the ruger and kt, they have had two guns to trouble shoot before going with theirs.

 

[AK-47Ghost]

I bought a Kel-Tec PF-9 thinking that it would be the ultimate carry gun...guess what...it wasn't!First trip to the range and the gun broke after 3,yes,count 'em, 3 frigging shots!!Something with the spring that cocks the gun came off, I took it to my dealer and he fixed it for free, then guess what?
The gun quit functioning after only one shot!!Back to the dealer who had the gun sent back to the factory, but I'd had enough...traded it in on a Springfield Armory XD-Compact in .45ACP and haven't looked back since!!!

 

[AgCatJHS]

There is a lot of griping about the LCP. I have two one pre recall and one post. They both have been 100% reliable with everything I have put through them. They are more accurate than you would expect.

If one interest you buy it, shoot it, and form an opinion yourself. Based on my experiences with them I would highly recomend one.

 

[melikesguns]

I have the kel-tec and Ruger. I will be selling the Ruger this week, there is no comparison, except in caliber!!

 

[klane]

I have one of the earlier LCP's with over 600 rounds of all types of ammo fired with no FTF or FTE. I nearly gave away my Kel-Tec that had a FTF rate around 10%. I do not care if Ruger copied Kel-Tec or not. IMHO they atleast made it worth having.

 

[dschutte]

Looks like there's been some discussion since I started this thread! :^) Good news, I went ahead and purchased the Ruger LCP. No problems whatsoever. Absolutely love it. My wallet is bigger and heavier that the piece, and I was surprised at the punch a .380 rounds still has...definitely enough to challenge an attacker at 21 feet with well placed shots, considering I'd rather not lug around my 9mm subcompact or 40 cal compact everywhere, which are 3x the weight and size. Since the LCP has very little fixed sights to speak of, I also acquired a Crimson Trace laser guard sight. Now it's the bomb concealed carry tool!