What are armed citizens in Balitmore doing?

[Aragon]

If I cannot be in the place that I own, and not defend it with MY life, then this countries laws should change.

I'm not talking about shooting anyone in the street, but once they break in, do they have NO responsibility?

I will have my wife and dogs long gone if I have enough time, but I have the right to stay if I wish, just as they have the right to loot.

When honest people give up, I'm afraid the evil will prevail in the end.

Someone could steal my car, and I'd watch it drive away, but bust a window to my place and swarm in????

I've tried to understand that view and cannot. I must be too simple minded.

Why would you stay if you had the ability to move to a safer location? Because you want to potentially shoot/kill someone over material goods? That's the problem you're not able to see. It's not about rights.

 

[Snyper]

I love all the posts which just assume that by staying in harms way and making a stand, they'll come out on top.

You can't come out on top by abandoning your livelyhood to the mob

FWIW, the US won the revolutionary war using "cheap, cowardly" tactics like sniping, ambushes, strategic retreats, and making examples of sympathizers.

How would that differ from being in your place of business?

 

[Snejdarek]

To answer the pepper ball question - yes.

It also killed an innocent:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Victoria_Snelgrove

Thank you for the information. That is very informative.

I think though that the FN 303 that killed Ms. Snelgrove is a different type of weapon - it is apparently aimed also at causing blunt trauma, as opposed to the ones used by the Czech police which are supposed to only mark the person / deliver pepper spray on target without causing any significant punch. Most Czech demonstrators hit report they never realized they were actually hit/marked.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[sherman123]

The vast majority aren't out "burning and looting" they're peacefully protesting a death that never should've happened.

 

[Cee Zee]

How interesting. You value the lives of your wife and children more than the life of a murderous, brutal thug(s), but you quite possibly value the life of a murderous, brutal thug(s) more than you value your own life.

That's not it at all. I don't value their life more than mine. I just have faith in where I'm going so dying doesn't scare me all that much. We're all going to do it some day. I just don't want to have to kill someone. It's not about wanting them to live as much as it would be about living with myself. Killing someone is a terrible thing. I would protect my family to the death because I don't want to see them suffer. As far as my own dying goes I already died once as a direct result of the tremendous pain I was in. My last words were, "this pain in my back is going to kill me" and I died about 2 seconds later. Yeah my heart was having problems and that was the true reason for my death but I was still going until the pain overwhelmed me. I was laying on an operating table getting a pacemaker put in and I can't lay flat on my back. I haven't been able to do that for 30 years. It's a genetic thing. Bad backs as a result of scoliosis. Trust me it hurts a lot. The actual act of dying wasn't all that bad really. It was just like someone turned off the power switch. I thought I was passing out but I died instead.

I'm not asking for sympathy or any of that. I'm just pointing out that I'm not scared to die. I've done it and it wasn't that bad for me but I'm sure it could be worse of course. Still the actually dying part isn't some huge deal. It just happens then you're gone. I was only dead a few seconds so I didn't get the whole going into the light thing but I was aware of the people around me working on me to get me back going.

Anyway again I am not so scared of dying that I'm ready to kill some mixed up kid in order to live a little longer. I've lived a pretty long time already. I'd hate myself if I shot some 14 year old kid even if he had broke into my house. I don't know what I would do if push come to shove. I don't think any of us do unless we've already been there. I'm just telling you that I know how I would feel for the rest of my days if I killed some mixed up kid. If someone comes through my picture window and my wife is in the house you can bet I will be guns blazing ready for that. But just for me I'm not so sure what I would do. No I don't think that thug has more right to live than me. I just don't want to hate myself. I was pretty wild at one time myself. I changed. I was never actually violent but I've done things I wasn't proud of. We all have. I'm glad no one shot me for that stuff. A guy on my high school football team talked me into shoplifting some stuff to eat from the local grocery store. Some people here apparently think I could have been shot for that. I didn't even want to do it but it was a peer pressure thing and I was stupid. I haven't shoplifted anything since then and that's been about 45 years ago. But I could have died when I was 14 if some of these people had their way. And it would have been over a Twinkie. That's why I've brought that up a few times in this thread.

 

[Leanwolf]

CeeZee, thanks for the explanation.

As for "wanting to shoot some mixed up kid" I will say, however, that I doubt very seriously if there is one poster here at this site who "wants to shoot" another person, even a vicious criminal who would attack . I imagine most here would not allow a criminal to injure or kill him/her. But if a man chooses to allow a criminal to either kill him, or injure him horribly due to his personal beliefs and ideology, so be it. As I said before, "To each his own."

Sorry about your back pain. I can definitely empathize with you. I have had scoliosis all my life, too. My spine looks like an inverted question mark and I've suffered severe back pain. I've never died but at times thought I'd have to get better in order to die.

Best of luck to you.

L.W.

 

[Jeff White]

From the news reports it would seem that the law abiding armed citizens are quietly going about their business. I think with 181 posts on 8 pages everyone who wants to has had a chance to weigh in. I think it's time to put this subject to bed.....