What are some good "Sleeper" Semiautos?

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I've been bitten by the semiauto "bug", ever since picking up my Taurus PT-99AF, and I've been checking out the used firearms at my local gunshop every weekend, looking for great deals

I'm a form-follows-function kinda' guy, looks are irrelavent, I want a reliable, accurate, durable firearm, and have no tolerance or patience for "bling", in fact, "bling" is a major turn off (Gun-Rice? ;) ) if it doesn't increase accuracy, reliability, durability, or capacity, it has no place on my firearm

Oh, and to head the Glock Collective off at the pass, I've *tried* to like Glocks, but they don't fit my grip, and I have no confidence in the "safe action" trigger, I'm an old-school shooter and the thought of a firearm with no external, shooter-controlled safeties gives me the willies, yes Glocks are reliable, and durable, simple to maintain, they're a great gun, no argument there, they just don't fit my hand, and I don't trust their "safety"

Yes, I know, the only true safety is keeping your booger-hook off the bang switch, nevertheless, the Glock system seems inherently risky

Anyway, since I'm stingy, I tend to look for firearms that may not be as well known as the major brands, but which are perfectly servicable and functional, I see no point in paying for a fashionable name, reputation or "cool gun of the moment", I like reliable, proven platforms

So far, through websurfing and other research, I've been gathering a list of semiautos I want to try out, and perhaps purchase, I want to limit myself to 9mm and .45ACP, so I don't have to stock too many different types of ammo

So far, I've found the following "sleepers"

Taurus PT9X series; these Brazilian Berettas have the safety in the correct location, on the frame where it belongs, and have a reputation for reliability and accuracy, and okay, I'll admit it, I *LOVE* the styling, to me, it's the "modern classic" 9mm

CZ 75 series; I tried one today in the gunshop and was tempted to buy it on the spot, I loved the solid, heavy frame, smooth slide and smooth trigger action, if I didn't already own the Taurus, I would have bought it on the spot

S&W Sigma; I tried a 9VE, and really liked it, it pointed and balanced well, I thought it was a brilliant little gun, until I tried the Taurus, the 99 made the Sigma pale by comparison, the Sigma then seemed like a gritty, topheavy gun with a horrible trigger pull, mushy, imprecise, and overly long, compared against a Glock 17 though, the Sigma fit my grip better and seemed more comfortable (yes, the Glock is better, but the Sigma fit me better)

the gunshop has some reasonably priced Star, Llama, FEG and Fmap<?> firearms, but I've never heard of them, and am unsure of their reliability, accuracy or performance

I'd like to keep an upper limit of $450, and used is no problem, in fact it's preferred (more gun for the money)

What would be some good, lesser-known but still quality, Semiauto handguns, any models I should be considering? Since I already own a decent 9mm, the next logical choice should be a .45ACP....
 
Check out the Ruger P-series guns.

Specifically:

P-89, P-93, P-95 in 9mm. The 93 is no longer made and the 89 was also recently discontinued.

P-90, P-97, and P-345 in .45ACP. The 97 was discontinued several years ago as well.

Pick the the one that fits your hand best and enjoy. They'll be under 450 new even in most cases.
 
Oh, and to head the Glock Collective off at the pass, I've *tried* to like Glocks, but they don't fit my grip, and I have no confidence in the "safe action" trigger, I'm an old-school shooter and the thought of a firearm with no external, shooter-controlled safeties gives me the willies, yes Glocks are reliable, and durable, simple to maintain, they're a great gun, no argument there, they just don't fit my hand, and I don't trust their "safety"

Springfield XD. They have a variant now with an external safety, in addition to the Glock-oid trigger safety and 1911-ish grip safety.
 
glock safety

If in doubt put the siderlock.com on your glock and you will never look back. The finest saafety money can buy, still quyicker than ligthning, quality and located where it should be.

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No personal experience, but Bersa Thunders are highly spoken of. Smith & Wesson's "old-school" metal-frame autos are often "dissed," but people (like me) who actually own them, like them.
 
People are saying the Stoeger Couger is a good buy (its actually a rebranded Beretta). The Ruger P95 is superb IMHO, the best of all the Ruger autos. The Star brand has been well thought of by many, but I don't even know if they are still around.
 
Swiftak, the thing is, I've always loved the lines of the Beretta and Beretta-style pistols, to me, they're the eponymous 9mm, when I think of a 9mm Semiauto, what i picture in my minds-eye is a Beretta/Taurus 9X series, I grew up in the '80s and the Beretta was *the* gun to have, the "Miami Vice" gun, that was back when I knew nothing about handguns, somehow, that style of 9mm just called to me, resonated with me somehow

unless the gun is a miserable failure when I take it to the range tomorrow, I plan to keep it

At some point I know I'll wind up with a CZ 75 anyway, it's just a matter of time, same with something that chambers .45ACP
 
Have you checked out the EAA Witness. I have been checking one out for a while. Look great and nice fit and finish. Not to bad of prices that I have seen. Might be worth a look-see-feel at your local gun shop.

I know it is not the most popular kid on the block, but nice.

For a .45, check out Taurus PT1911. Great gun, and the price is right also, little over your price you listed new?
 
I have owned a Taurus 92, and 99. I also have 3 CZ's. The CZ is not better IMO, just different. I will go as far as saying the 92/99 has a better machining and finish over the 3 CZ's I have. So don't let the above post alter your opinion to a great fire arm. Being that said, the 92/99 is the best Taurus made IMO.

The Stoeger's are made in Turkey on Beretta equipment. When they discontinued the Couger, they moved the operation to Turkey. All Stoegers are made in Turkey from what I can tell, but they are owned by Beneli, and seem to be a value leader.
 
One more, the Rock Island 9mm, CZ clones. They are Tangfolio's, but with the small frame EAA does not import anymore.

Centerfiresystems has the best deal on them now.
 
Big Thumbs Up for Stoeger Cougar 8000 its a great gun and very reliable. I highly recommend one, I have one and I love it! It has to be the best buy on the market right now. You can't go wrong with one. Any rate that is my .02
Little John
 
CZ 75 series; I tried one today in the gunshop and was tempted to buy it on the spot, I loved the solid, heavy frame, smooth slide and smooth trigger action, if I didn't already own the Taurus, I would have bought it on the spot

You just answered your own question. I couldn't have answered it better myself.

Also, look at the XD.

Both of these are becoming less "sleeper" and more pricey as they are discovered, so get 'em quick!
 
Cobra Patriot .45 auto

Inexpensive, reasonably well-made and great for concealed carry, I bought mine new for about $225 shipped a couple years ago. Lightweight polymer (if you like that design) and very compact. There only one or two other .45 autos on the market smaller. I'd not consider buying other Cobra auto models since the're not so well designed.

Lou
 
I'm an old-school shooter and the thought of a firearm with no external, shooter-controlled safeties gives me the willies, yes Glocks are reliable, and durable, simple to maintain, they're a great gun, no argument there, they just don't fit my hand, and I don't trust their "safety"

Yes, I know, the only true safety is keeping your booger-hook off the bang switch, nevertheless, the Glock system seems inherently risky

.....seems inherently risky? Well, you're wrong on that one.

Does the above prejudice apply to revolvers as well? Certainly an old-school shooter would be accustomed to such a firearm.

Anyway, give a try the EAA Witness Elite Match, Stoeger 8000 (no, it is not a "rebranded Beretta", Beretta sold the whole shabang to Stoeger who know makes the entire gun in house), or the S & W. M&Ps.

I agree with the post about dumping your Taurus and getting a CZ. Step up to a higher class of firearm.
 
You just answered your own question (referring to CZ-75 series). I couldn't have answered it better myself.

Also, look at the XD.

Both of these are becoming less "sleeper" and more pricey as they are discovered, so get 'em quick!

Exactly. And I want to add Steyr M-series. You can get them for less than $400 in the free states.
 
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