What do you think is the worst guntrope in media?

[morcey2]

On the "every gun is registered and immediately traceable" front is the "every non-cop gun owner is a bad guy" corollary. My wife watches lots of NCIS and CSI where one of the investigators asks someone "Did you know he/she owned a gun?" followed by the implication that owning a gun automagically makes them highly-suspect if not guilty.

Also. I think it was CSI, but I'm not sure. Two of the characters decided to go to the "range" to blow off some steam. The "range" was a warehouse looking room supposedly in the basement of their HQ. There was a single shooting station set up at one end and the target was run out to the other end of the "range". Behind the target was an office area, complete with workers milling about totally oblivious to their imminent demise.

I can't watch shows with guns or computers in them. Hire a frickin' technical advisor!

Matt

 

[Rushthezeppelin]

This also occurs in video games. A scope will put the shot wherever the crosshairs are, no matter the yardage

Play DayZ. They have a rough zeroing system, have to go by 100m increments with zeroing but if your target is say 450 then you still have to aim above your crosshair with zero set to 400. No windage though kinda sucks. Also fairly realistic terminal ballistics. At least I know the 5.56 rounds get weak as hell beyond 100m which is just about right for real world. That and the Barrett one shot kills no matter where it hits (fairly realistic given that if any part of you is touched by that round you are at least going to be a missing limb and alot of blood). Even realistic barrier penetration with some rounds.

 

[Swing]

There is a John Cusack movie (I don't recall which one), in which he's supposed to be a highly-skilled assassin (or something).

One scene in a convenience store he's got a pistol in each hand and he jerks the gun forward every time he pulls the trigger, like he's trying to throw the bullets with extra force (the way kids do when saying "bang, bang" with toy guns).

It was really distracting and poorly done!

Grosse Pointe Blank, iirc. That one also had Glocks make a hammer cocking sound.

 

[Hacker15E]

What about how every pistol on TV makes the "slide racking" sound before being brought into use, whether it is merely being withdrawn from a holster, or having the safety disengaged, or in some cases just being pointed at someone.

This is it. That sound happens no matter what manipulation is made to the firearm.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

It happens in books too. I was reading one by Dean Koontz (my favorite author) and someone tells a rookie cop that the safety is off on his Glock. :banghead:
That sucks, b/c Koontz is usually pretty gun savvy.

 

[Blackstone]

Just as the shot killed the young man, the camera shows the officer pulling back on his charging handle to reload the next round..... Must have been one of those single shot AR's??

Was probably one of our UK legal ARs

 

[denton]

Bullets that shower sparks when they hit a solid object.

 

[tarosean]

It happens in books too. I was reading one by Dean Koontz (my favorite author) and someone tells a rookie cop that the safety is off on his Glock.
That sucks, b/c Koontz is usually pretty gun savvy.

They do sell aftermarket safeties for Glocks....
So it's kind of plausible

however, the click click click when its empty is not.....

 

[Murphy4570]

Grosse Pointe Blank, iirc. That one also had Glocks make a hammer cocking sound.

Just for the record, that movie is awesome.

 

[MErl]

however, the click click click when its empty is not.....

The worst one of the click click is with automatics. Let off a long burst full auto then 5-6 clicks like a windup toy running out of spring.

As far as overall most annoying, tie between "every gun must make a cocking noise when drawn" and "rack the gun to show I'm serious." (bonus annoyance when they do it more than once)

 

[Blackstone]

But DA pistols do go "click click click" when empty (if you've got a malfunctioning slide release)

I also hate excessive pumping of pump shotguns. Either they've just ejected a perfectly good round for dramatic effect, or they've walked into a potential gunfight without a chambered shell.

 

[peacemaker45]

But DA pistols do go "click click click" when empty (if you've got a malfunctioning slide release)

I also hate excessive pumping of pump shotguns. Either they've just ejected a perfectly good round for dramatic effect, or they've walked into a potential gunfight without a chambered shell.

There was some silly thing I watched recently, though I don't remember the title, (must have repressed it) wherein one guy got completely out of hand with the drama pumping. I remember thinking at the time, "If he does that again, he's gonna be out of ammo before he fires a shot."

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[MacTech]

This one deserves an award...

The direct to video zombie apocalypse movie "rise of the dead", in one scene, a scientist, played by LeVar Burton, is gunning down a zombie, he shoulders the rifle, which emits a large CGI muzzleblast and a loud report, he hits his target with a headshot, but, as he dismounts the gun, you can see that it's actually a break-barrel piston airgun (like a Diana 34)

At least they didn't CGI in machine gun muzzle flashes on it,...

 

[USAF_Vet]

Saw one god awful B zombie movie where they got a hold of an M2.

While dumping rounds into zombies, beyond the CGI muzzle flash, you could clearly see the belt not advancing rounds. Nor were any shell casings or disintegrating links on the ground.

Also, surprised no one has mentioned shooting any gas or fuel tank automatically explodes

 

[Blackstone]

Also, surprised no one has mentioned shooting any gas or fuel tank automatically explodes

Indeed, I didn't know BLEVEs were so easy to cause.

 

[OkieJohn]

Quick note on guns that shoot a lot before reloads. You are right that sometimes it is ridiculous, but sometimes the filmmaker is trying to show what is happening in two separate locations or from two separate angles at once.

Take a cowboy on main street who pulls a gun and fires 3 rounds at the good guy, then the scene cuts to inside the saloon where you hear 3 gunshots and people dive for cover. I've been watching movies like that where someone will claim 'his gun is empty now! he shot 6 times!' and then roll their eyes when the camera goes back to the cowboy on the street who shoots at least a few more shots.

Now, I also think realistic ammo consumption and the need to reload could add a lot of tension in scenes if it was done more often. I think of the movie No Country for Old Men. The main character (Llewellyn) buys a shotgun and some shells then cuts the barrel down in his hotel room. I'd have had him buy a shotgun and have some chatter with the guy about shells. Something along the lines of

"I'll pick up some buckshot too"

"how many boxes you want?"

"five in a box right?"

"yes sir"

"then I'll take two boxes"

When he cuts the gun down he loads up 5 shells and puts the other box in his pocket.

Now, when the gunfight scene happens, one where there is not a ton of shooting, the audience (or at least the smart members) know he's got a handful of shots, and you can set up a scene where the gun goes click at a bad moment. Heck you can even have him drop the box and the shells roll now he has to grab for em etc etc.

You wouldn't want EVERY gunfight to have the hero end up reloading to increase dramatic tension, but I'd like to see it a lot more. Plus just reloading in general.

I'd also love to see a shootout where the whoever shoots 6 times with a revolver then some smug bad-guy steps out and notes the shooter shot 6 and is empty. Empty gunner then pulls a snub out of his pocket and shoots the guy dead. Or even better shoot one more time then as the guy is dying remark 'most revolvers nowadays have 7 shots'

Check out "The Shakiest Gun In The West" with Don Knots, very funny western and a major plot point involves counting round fired.

 

[MacTech]

The Schwartzenegger action/comedy "The Last Action Hero is absolutely LOADED with gags and tropes that lampoon the action movie genre, it's a knowing wink and a nod to savvy action movie fans

Benedict (the bad guy) is shooting at Slater, using a .44 magnum revolver...
Bang..bang..bang..bang..CLICK....
Slater; did you make a movie mistake? You forgot to load the damn gun!
B; no jack, I just left one chamber empty.... Bang!

Slater shoots at a taxi that is driving away with Benedict, when the taxi doesn't explode from the bullet impacts, he looks at his gun with frustration

 

[Swing]

Most of the fictional silliness has already been mentioned, so I won't repeat it. One thing that always bothered me about one of my favorite old programs, Combat! (starring Vic Morrow and Rick Jason), is how little effect getting shot had upon the show's heros. Mind you the Axis types get zapped a good one, but the good guys take rounds from MG-42s and MP-40s and look mildly put out. Yes, I realize that on television, particularly in the mid-60s, gore wasn't going to fly, but you'd think a few rounds of 7.92mm might have a (eh-hem) slightly more profound impact.

 

[Doc Mongo]

What about how every pistol on TV makes the "slide racking" sound before being brought into use, whether it is merely being withdrawn from a holster, or having the safety disengaged, or in some cases just being pointed at someone.

AMEN BROTHER!

And how every time someone holding a firearm in a movie/tv show so much as moves, you hear a symphony of clicking and rattling from their weapon. Pisses me off to no end.

 

[Jaxondog]

How about when the main actors can shoot and hit anybody and anything with one shot 200 yds or more away, but when the same movie has a gun battle in the same room they can't hit sh**.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Question for you guys. Was watching Bones the other night and they found a bullet in a car that was the cause of death and they ran ballistics on it. The results came back and they said it was from a Rossi snub nose .38 revolver. Is there a way to tell what brand firearm the bullet came from. Do the riflings leave that distinct of markings and are they proprietary to each brand. I'm thinking its BS, but I don't know everything. (Don't tell my wife).

 

[Blackstone]

I don't believe so. I think they can tell if it was a polygonal barrel and narrow it down from there.

 

[Tommygunn]

Most of the fictional silliness has already been mentioned, so I won't repeat it. One thing that always bothered me about one of my favorite old programs, Combat! (starring Vic Morrow and Rick Jason), is how little effect getting shot had upon the show's heros. Mind you the Axis types get zapped a good one, but the good guys take rounds from MG-42s and MP-40s and look mildly put out. Yes, I realize that on television, particularly in the mid-60s, gore wasn't going to fly, but you'd think a few rounds of 7.92mm might have a (eh-hem) slightly more profound impact.

MP-40 is 9mm. so the only way it would be worse than say a wound from a P-38 would be multiple hits as the MP-40 is a submachinegun.
I've been a fan of COMBAT! since it originally aired and have it on DVD. There really aren't any scenes I recall where the chief characters get hit by full blown machine gun I recall, except; in
"Hills are for Heros"~~ our (extended) squad must take two pillboxes each located on a hill overlooking a road the allies NEED. During the initial siege Sgt. Saunders is hit by machine gun fire leaving "a hole you could drive a truck though," according to the company medic. This put Saunders out of commission for the rest of the show, and since the actor portraying him, Vic Morrow, directed this episode, it left him free to direct.
I've read behind the scene production notes on some TV shows produced in the 60s, and believe me, TV networks (mainly) had very ...uh, "conservative" ideas on how much "blood & guts" could be portrayed on TV. Facial wounds tend to bleed generously, as anyone who has suffered one knows, but no way on '60s TV would you be able to do more than apply of a little red goo to represent a face wound.
About the rest of it....you do realize adrenaline might have an effect. Also, survival instincts, and some weird events....
To whit; I recall reading a report a friend of my mother's prepared during WW2. THis guy was a WW2 medic who became a doctor afterword and prepared a report that became part of a government study that eventually resulted in the Korean War era M*A*S*H units that you may recall from the TV show of that name. His report details the backgrounds of a number of soldiers in the Pacific who were shot, and didn't even realize they'd been shot until it was pointed out to them by buddies. One of the most oddball of these was a young soldier who'd beenshot square through the front of his skull and had the bullet exit the rear of his head. The reason he survived this was because the bullet went exactly in between the right and left hemisphere of his brain, causing little to no damage to the neurology -- atleast none that could be detected using what limited technology they had then. This guy didn't realize he'd been shot until his CO removed his helmet and pointed out the bullet holes in it!
Certainly that was a big exception to the general reaction soldiers might have had ... but it did happen. And it wasn't even the only exception.
But, I digress ....

 

[denton]

Is there a way to tell what brand firearm the bullet came from.

Only to a very limited extent.

You can tell how many lands and grooves the barrel had, and that sometimes narrows it down a little bit.

 

[Hardtarget]

My wife gets peeved when I remark how, when the bad guy shoots at the 'good guy group"...the first shot is ALWAYS a miss! That is the one shot that SHOULD be a hit! After all, its the opening salvo. Absolutely no reason to miss the very first shot!

Mark