What do you think the Arms industry will do if a permanent AWB happens

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The 1994 AWB was basically a joke. And everyone knew it. ARs and AKs weren't banned. It just meant you couldn't have cosmetic features like folding stocks and flash suppressors on new rifles. During the so-called ban the AR became the most popular rifle in the country. I think it is impossible to ban all AR design rifles because you have to define what an AR is and that just opens the door to making small modifications to the rifle so it no longer meets the definition. The whole purpose of the 1994 cosmetic test was to define an "assault weapon" and we saw how easy it was to get around that so they will be no more successful in any new definition.
 
The 1994 AWB was basically a joke. And everyone knew it. ARs and AKs weren't banned. It just meant you couldn't have cosmetic features like folding stocks and flash suppressors on new rifles.
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True. What the folks who are climbing over each other right now to pay top dollar for a SLR-95, SAR-1 or WASR-10 don't seem to realize is that these rifles were introduced smack in the middle of the last AWB. Obama's dreaded campaign promise is only to reauthorize that same (albeit utterly pointless) ban. While I believe in hoping for the best and preparing for the worst (and you bet I've been doing just that), let's try to be realistic of what might or might not happen.

If that same stupid ban is reintroduced the arms industry would make a mint as folks busted down gunshop doors to buy the last Colt 6920 they could get their hands on. The gunmakers would then go back to to pinning collapsible stocks and welding on muzzle brakes and life would go on. Seriously.
 
You can speculate all you want and you may "think" you know what is going to happen...... BUT.....The main thing here is, we have no clue what is going to happen so all you can do is prapare for it to happen and hope it does not.
 
Companies will adapt or go under. Im not to worried about massive bans. But Im still buying guns and ammo like its about to get banned.
 
"You can't rifle a barrel with a lathe. Hammer forging or button rifling a barrel is one if the things that a small shop generally cannot do. It takes some serious dedicated machinery to make a rifle barrel."

Black Powder shooters have been forging and rifling barrels by hand for years. I think you could probably rifle a barrel for smokeless without tons of expensive equipment it would just take longer. I think any good machinist with a lathe, milling machine and time could make a viable firearm.
 
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Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with it. They hate guns, they want to take them away, and they have the support of the media to tell whatever lies/mistruths they want to scare unknowing people into supporting a ban on whatever they choose. We are in the greatest danger of losing gun rights that we have ever been in. We must fight it and hope for the best.
 
I think the entire industry should file suit against the US if a any new ban that violates Heller occurs. Unfortunately I think these companies are more interested in $$$$$ than constitutional rights.
 
Thinking entirely theoretically, I think the biggest potential disaster for gun owners would be lifting the law that says gun manufacturers can't be sued for another's actions. This could, again theoretically, be the end of firearm manufacturing. With the litigation-happy American public/lawyers and the number of people murdered every year in this country with firearms, I'd say that very few gun companies could withstand the onslaught of lawsuits and/or settlements.

I hope I'm wrong. If this comes to pass, maybe we can sue McDonalds for getting us fat?

/cha-ching... I can smell the cash already :barf:
 
Everyone knows if they aren't making guns, they're making teflon, parkourized, and matte finish pans in 45 centimeters and 9 centimeters (for the little snacks that pack some mmm)
 
The AWB will be back, without the grandfatherd clauses in it. It will give the power to ban to a apointed official, He will add anything to the banned list that he want to. Because it too long,too short, looks evil, has too much plastic, too much steel,too much wood --- For WHATEVER REASON it will be added. Hunting,Targetshooting,collecting,or self-defense be damned nobody's firearms will be safe, So don't stick your head in the sand and say it will not happen, Call, Write, or E-mail your congressman and let them know now that you will vote them out. Tell them to vote against Eric Holder for Attorney General. He will be the one to defeat first.


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Smith tried that a decade ago, Yamato. All sorts of guaranteed government jobs, in exchange for signing the HUD deal. Angry boycotts almost killed the company until a heroic group of investors bought the company from Burger King and pulled out of the devil's bargain.
 
Same thing they did last time: ramp up production to crank out as many as they can before the effective date of the legislation, and then comply with the law, which may or may not include making legal end-runs around poorly-worded laws, such as happens at present with cali-legal EBRs. The latter depends upon how iron-clad the laws are worded. Then they will engage in the production, marketing, and sell of legal substitute guns.
 
Can someone explain how a new ban can be made permanent. Why can the next pres not overturn that ruling?
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Presidents cannot undo laws passed by Congress.

It would take a repeal of the law by another congress to un-do it, if it were to come to pass.
 
As I understand it, when the last AWB happened, there were still a lot of "high capacity" semi-automatic rifles on the market.
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There is no such thing as a "high capacity semi-automatic rifle". Without defining the parameters of high capacity such things do not exist.

And handgun manufacturers worked on making handguns with ten round capacities as small as possible.
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This was actually more a development spawned by the increase of CCW laws making it legal to carry. Demand increased so development and production followed suit.

And many manufacturers worked to fall within the compliance.
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I don't know what this means. If you mean "go out of business", than yes that is exactly what happened.

Now granted I'm not entirely knowledgeable about what happened during the last AWB under Clinton, so someone explaining that would help a lot, especially where laws, ARs, AKs, and semi-rifles in general.
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About a year out the bill was presented and people started to panic buy. Production and importation cranked up almost doubling the number of banned weapons in civilian hands in about a year. Not surprisingly crime with assault weapons went through the roof (ok I am lying crime actually went down or held steady even with the massive increase in guns). Prices skyrocketed after the bill was introduced for pre-ban guns going for almost double sometimes triple pre-ban prices. Manufacturers made hundreds of models of the exact same rifle that removed "evil" features like bayonet lugs and "little thingy that goes up" and sold them for the a little less in price as the old pre ban rifles. These are "Colt Sporters" and such.

Supposedly Obama wants to remove the amendment that prevents victims of violent crimes from sueing gun manufacturers, and to child proof guns (is that by installing an internal lock on every gun).
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Perhaps so. If does that I would like to be able to sue the automaker of every moron who has ever negligently crashed into one of my cars. Clearly this was the fault of the car maker for pushing such a dangerous product on us.

So I imagine most gun manufacturers will scale back on any evil looking guns. Hopefully should it happen it'd be great if all the gun manufacturers decided to liquidate their government (army, police, etc.) productions to make it clear that the civilian market is just as important as the government market.
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Now that would be hilarious. But no. No major gun manufacturer will put himself out of business that way. Barrett refuses to sell to California (and rightly so) but they are not a publicly held company. Back when we had capitalism in this country Barrett would likely be considered a hero. Now other businessmen consider him a sucker. Because everybody sells to the government now. Because as of yesterday according to the news government jobs exceeded the number of manufacturing jobs in this country for the first time which means we now have defacto socialism and there is no end in sight. Not since Reagen have the government rolls declined.

Could we be looking at more revolvers, smaller semi-automatics, or new calibers of handgun ammunition in semi-automatics that outspace the 10mm (can anyone say a short lengthed 13.7mm [yes a .50]). Could we be looking at ARs done up like in California essentially castrated. Also mayhaps could there be a reemergence of the revolver rifle, maybe in .450 bushmaster. Also more semi-rifles with internal tube magazines like that of the Ruger .44 Carbine.
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I think we are looking at bans, more bans and then more bans.

Now a lot of states allow folks to homebrew there own guns, like for parts kits and such. Could there be an emergence of a "homebrew" culture. Folks buying the tools and sharing in the knowledge of hammering out receivers in garages and buying lathes to rifle their barrels. Which I think we should be doing anyway, just wish I owned my own house and was done with law school so I could have a place to do it. So if it's still legal, could there be an emergence of the homebrew culture.
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Sure. All those machinists that work in factories in Mexico and China will get right on that.

Let's keep this a non-political post please, lets not mention anything that isn't technology, industry, or firearm fabrication related. No rants about losing our rights or anything, save that for CNN.
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Ooops, I slipped a little rant in there. But I was just responding to your statement.
 
The next AWB will be different (if it ever happens) but it will still have loopholes. Keep in mind, that the writers of these things are not gun savvy and don't really know what they are talking about (bayonet lug ban?!?!). The manufacturers will get their lawyers to figure out what the loopholes are and explout them. As soon as it is announced, every manufacturer will be going full steam to build whatever is to be outlawed.
 
Actually there were two bills in the last two years that have been introduced.

The HR 110-1022 bill of 2007 was an absolute nightmare as it used ONE 'feature' to define an 'assault weapon', banned several models and derivatives of pistols, and it effectively banned private transfers. The anti-2nd guys really did their homework on it and wiped out almost every loophole you can think up.

You can see the text of it here.
Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 :uhoh:

Section 3 and Section 6 & 7 are the REALLY dangerous portions of this particular bill.
Example: 10 years imprisonment for transferring a semi-automatic assault rifle. I kid you not.

Now, the HR 110-6257 AWB Reauthorization act of 2008 was basically AWB II with nothing new and exciting in it.

You can see the text of it here. Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008

Both were introduced but never made it out of committee.

**this post is for informational purposes only :evil:
 
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I read an artical from another site that showed the following...
New FFL forms can not keep up with the demand.
According to ATF 27 million firearms were sold in 2008 alone.

I don't think the ammo industry will be hurting soon.
 
By the end of the first term all semi's will be class III. They will confiscate those who don't get a stamp. Private semi sales will be near impossible, so don't buy a gun you don't want to keep for life.
 
what would happen to the industry if a new AWB comes?

nothing. because the AWB is a 'feel good' law that basicly was designed to have no real impact on the gunindustry and yet allow the Polititools to point at it and claim they do something to make everybody save.

for the industry it does not matter if they add a Pistolgrip, threads to the end of the barrel, bayo lug ... or not.
they still built firearms.

what would happen to the industry if a ban comes where they are actualy serious in baning firearms and that would make private ownership hard or impossible?

they will downsize a bit and open small plants in Canada/Mexico or europe where they send parts to for the final assembly so they can bypass ITAR.
then they drop the US market and start marketing in the rest of the world.. because there are plenty of countrys that allow private ownership of EBR and alike.
(i actualy would like that.. Saber that allready did built a plant in the UK to bypass ITAR, wants me to pay almost 4k for a AR15 clone..)

in any case, it wont change mutch for the industry.
 
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