What does the AE in .50 AE mean?

[Texas9]

Or .45-70? Or .30-30?

It's info gathering time. I'll explain.

These are questions that I want answers to (one of those "Trivial Pursuit-game-winning things ). Being a somewhat recent gun enthusiast results in my being asked these questions alot, also. SO....

Add to this whatever weird little caliber factoids you can think of (obsolete ammo is okay, too).

Thanks!!!!!!!

 

[RyanM]

Action Express. The second number in both .45-70 and .30-30 stands for grains of powder used in the original load. Black powder for the .45-70, smokeless for the .30-30

 

[JoseM]

A useless caliber factoid....

a .45 caliber is a 11.4 mm round.

.45 inches * 25.4 mm/inch = 11.4 mm.

I often wondered this because of people saying how awesome the stopping power of a 10mm round was, so I was curious to what a .45 was (of course, energy is not just the diameter, but also the velocity....but still, I was curious)

Now when I hear on tv, something about "his nine", I always think of "my eleven"....again, useless factoid

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Don't even get started on calibers.

.357 magnum is the same caliber (size) as .38 special.

.44 caliber black powder is the same caliber (size) as .45 caliber cartidge ammo for the Colt Single Action Army.

Some calibers/cartridges are named by the bullet diameter, some by the bore diameter inside the rifling, some by the diameter including the depth of the rifling grooves.

It's nuts.

 

[dakotasin]

i got one! 7mm, 280, and 284.

there... i played, too.

 

[Darth Ruger]

A few factoids:

7.65mm (the pistol caliber) = 7.65 Browning = 7.65x17 = .32 Auto = .32 ACP.

The .308 is not simply a shortened .30-06. The .308's parent cartridge was
the .300 Savage.

The 'R' in 7.62x54R stands for 'Rimmed', not 'Russian'.

You can shoot a .38 Special cartridge in a .357 Magnum revolver, but not a .357 cartridge in a .38 revolver (the .357's case is too long for the .38 revolver's chamber).

There's my two cents. Who's next?

 

[entropy]

You can physically insert a .357 Magum round in a .38 Colt chamber, (as in the M1889 Colt New Army) but I strongly suggest not touching it off.....

The chambers were bored straight through, not stepped at all like the .38 Spl./.357 Mag.


Boy, those Russians sure like 7.62mm!

7.62x25 Tokarev

7.62x38R Nagant revolver

7.62x39

7.62x54R

 

[Dragun]

the 06 in the .30-06 is derived from the year 1906. i hope you're writing all this down, lol.

 

[Twycross]

I'll play. The .270, .25-06, and .35 Whelen are all derived from the .30-06 case. The .460 S&W cartridge is actually .45 caliber. The BMG in .50 BMG stands for 'Browning Machine Gun'. 7x30 Waters is a 30-30 necked down to 7mm.

That's all the factoids I can squeeze out right now.

 

[White Horseradish]

Boy, those Russians sure like 7.62mm!

7.62x25 Tokarev

7.62x38R Nagant revolver

7.62x39

7.62x54R

Not just Russians. 7.62x51=7.62 NATO which happens to be almost but not quite the same as .308

Also, those would be the military Russian cartridges, some of which spawned hunting variations like 9.3x54R and the little-known and no longer produced 5.56x54R.

 

[R.W.Dale]

WCF + winchester center fire

WRF = winchester rim fire

.380 auto = 9x17 , 9mm corto , 9mm kurtz , 9mm BRC ??? , 9mm short

SLR = self loading rifle

7.65 browning = .32acp

7.65 Mauser = 7.65x53mm

9mm Largo= 9mm Bergmann , 9x23 , 9mm long

.280 remington = 7mm Express

I'll think of more later

 

[dakotasin]

22 howell, 222 rem, 223 rem, and 224 tth all use a .224" pill.

243 win, 6mm rem, and 240 wby all use the same 6mm pill.

308 win, 30-06, and 300 win mag all... well, you know...

 

[ABTOMAT]

To really amaze your friends, bring up the 9x25 Mauser Export round. One of the most powerful old auto chamberings out there.

If a gun's been designed for it, you can shoot .45LC from one that'll also do .410 shotshells.

 

[LHB1]

I'll add one:
The .44 Magnum/Special is actually .43 caliber (.429-.430).

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

ps: Freebie:
The .250/3000 is .25 caliber (.257) and was the first factory rifle with muzzle velocity over 3000 fps, hence the name.

 

[Darth Ruger]

A .32 caliber patched roundball out of a muzzleloading squirrel rifle can have as much as twice the velocity of a .22LR.

Arthur Savage's lever action Model 1892, forerunner of the Savage Model 99, was submitted for U.S. military trials, but lost to the Krag-Jorgensen.

The .17HMR is a necked-down .22 Mag. The .17M2 is a necked-down .22LR.

The flintlock 'Kentucky' rifle originated in the Pennsylvania region, not Kentucky.

7.5 x 55 Swiss (for the K31) can be handloaded using .284 Winchester brass.

 

[redranger1]

this is fun...let me try!

the 454 casull = .452
the 45 long colt = .454
the 45-70 = .458

the 307 winchester is basically a rimmed 308 winchester and the 356 winchester is basically a rimmed 358 winchester.

the 338/50 talbot is a 50 bmg necked down to a .338. good for 3700 fps but the throat will be shot out between 200-300 rounds.

 

[MachIVshooter]

The .17M2 is a necked-down .22LR

Almost. The .17 HM2 actually uses the CCI Stinger case, which is slightly longer than a standard .22 LR case.

A couple more useless facts: The 6mm Remington began life as the .244 Remington. Ammunition is interchangeable, but older .244 rifles do not handle the heavier bullets well.

.280 Remington was known briefly as the 7mm express in an effort to boost sales following the unbridled success of the 7mm Rem Mag, but this reintroduction only served to confuse people-sometimes with catastrophic results. Also, the .280, while based on the .30-06, has the shoulder moved forward slightly to prevent it's chambering in a .270 Win. rifle.

Lazzeroni cartridges use the groove diameter in their metric designations, ie 7.21, 7.82, etc. actually use standard .284"(7mm) and .308"(7.62mm) bullets.

10mm is the best autopistol cartridge ever developed .

 

[JoseM]

*In a thick Mexican accent*
Standards?....We don't need no stinkin standards!

 

[max popenker]

To make it even worse:
9x18 Ultra is the same as 9x18 Police, but these must NOT be mixed up with 9x18 PM / Makarov, as the latter has actual bullet diameter of 9.2mm as opposed to 9.02mm of most other 9mm ammo...

 

[TexasRifleman]

10mm is the best autopistol cartridge ever developed .

Well at least someone got their facts straight

 

[foghornl]

When first introduced, the 7MM Remington Express. . . Now named the .280Remington.

.44Mag/.44Spl/.44Russian nominal diamter .429-.430

All of the .38 Calibres.. .38 Short/Long Colt, .38 Short/Long S&W, .38Spl, .357Mag, .38 Auto/Super Auto, .380

How many 9MM rounds? 9x17, 9x18, 9x19, 9x23(?)

Same with the various .32's Short/Long Colt, Short/Long S&W, 32 Colt Police Positive, .32 Auto, .32/20

 

[merk]

AE stands for Armor Eater.

 

[TexasRifleman]

AE stands for Armor Eater.

Or Awfully Expensive.....

 

[Texas9]

EXCELLENT

This is just the kind of info I'm looking for! Here's how it came up...

I was in a (bloody-stinking) rich client's ranch house, where I was told that he was -quote- getting into gun collecting -end quote-. To my astonishment, I find an AUTHENTIC (as far as I can tell and from what the builder told me personally) War Between the States Gatling gun. Even has the PT Colt build plate on the top, and if I wasn't completely flabbergasted (a word I use frequently in place of 'young and stupid') I would have whipped out senor camera phone and uploaded a pic of the plate for you guys to authenticate for me. Anyhoo (yes, I've been reading too many LawDog Files), I was curious as to the ammo (after having stated that it was PROBABLY legal, being prior to any weapons bans and that I would be looking for the proper ammo belts) when the builder told me that he was fairly certain that it was .45-70. I wasn't so sure, since there were no Freightliners that required stopping in the War Between the States, and when I returned to the office that day, I thought you guys may be able to shed some light on my yet dimly lit knowledge.

Keep 'em coming, boys!

Oh, and entropy, about those 7.62 rounds. I've got a Mosin now, and my brother's holding a CZ-52 for me right now (7.62x25). I'm in Texas, he's in Mississippi. Hard to drive on a whim. Anyway, according to Makarov.com, there's a difference between 7.62x25 and 7.62 Tokarev, but it doesn't clearly point it out. As I intend to fire the CZ (I'm still up in the air about the Mosin, as it's a 1952 model and it's MINT AND UNFIRED), I need to get the right ammo. Any insight?

Also, foghornl, don't forget about the 9x21 IMI. Only other current chambering for the Px4 Storm (my next purchase) and offered only in Italy. Mine shall be 9x19. Nothing against .40, but I dig a 17-rd mag!

Thanks again, fellers!

c

 

[ABTOMAT]

Gatling guns are perfectly legal as long as they're hand cranked. Lots of folks still make them. I don't know about Civil War-era models, but many of the later ones were .45-70.

7.62 Tokarev should be 7.62x25, but there are 7.62x25 types that shouldn't be used in a TT33. Slightly hotter loads for the CZ-52, much hotter loads for submachine gun.