What gun or guns do gun laws keep you from having?

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As so often stated above, the laws have made it cost prohibitive for me to own any of the auto/select fire goodies that I would like to have, along with the extra money needed put a shoulder stock to even my MKII Rugers to make them move effective tree rate assault rifles.
 
TCB in TN, I've been picturing a stock and supressor on my mkIII target guns for a while now. If I can put out aimed fire freehand at 100 yards, how far could I go with a stock? Only one way to find out, and experiments cost me the SBR tax and hassles of getting it approved.

Fer the love of FSM, I just want to play around with a pistol and figure out how to mount a stock, and maybe do it without bothering the neighborhood, why all the nonsense?
 
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I realise this doesn't pertain to any law that I know of but I wish there was a vz-58 in 308/NATO.
 
This is just mental masturbation for NJ residents isn’t it? I’d be happy if I could legally put a folder on my Mini14 with 20rd mags. 5 and 10 rd mags are useless and to the best of my knowledge there are no 15 rd Mini14 mags. NJ sucks even with the BIG rising star Governor. I know it’s still early yet but he’s no better than his predecessor as far gun owners go and we are the ones that probably got him elected. BTW what ever happened to the revamp of the NJ CCW, that just ran out of stream too…

To answer your question, for me it would be between and AR and an AK. If they were legal here and money was not a factor (as it always is) I would buy both, however due to financial constraints I would go for the AK first. I never cared for the AK previously but the more I see on them the more I’d like to get one. perhaps after we move I’ll buy one to celebrate leaving NJ.
 
Can't have: AR-15, M&P-15, or anything with a pistol grip, compensator, folding or telescopic stock, magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds (but as far as I know/hope nobody enforces this), barrel shroud, bullpups, pretty much any semi-auto shotgun, a whole slew of "sniper" rifles.

Basically, about 75% of rifles on the civilian market are outlawed. Welcome to C(r)ook County.

If/when the Wilson v. Cook County case wins, an M&P-15 .22 will be my first order of business. Followed shortly by an AR purchase in .223/556

Are you in Chicago?
If not then you can own most of those things if your outside Chicago/Oak Park in Cook County.
 
If we stick to man-portable firearms

Well that would be boring!!

How about a 50 caliber naval gun mounted in my front yard? :)

In case you don't know the main guns on the Battle Ship Missouri and her sisters are 50 caliber because their barrels are about 50 times their bore diameter.

That would make people think twice before trying to mess with my house!!:D
 
Well, I live in Canada soooo...




The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:

* a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm or less;
* a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
* a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
* an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
* any firearm prescribed as prohibited.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 11

* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Franchi SPAS-12 shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Franchi LAW 12 shotgun.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Striker shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Striker 12 shotgun and the Streetsweeper shotgun.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the USAS-12 Auto Shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Franchi SPAS-15 shotgun, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Benelli M1 Super 90 shotgun and the Benelli M3 Super 90 shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them, with the exception of the:
o M1 Super 90 Field;
o M1 Super 90 Sporting Special;
o Montefeltro Super 90;
o Montefeltro Super 90 Standard Hunter;
o Montefeltro Super 90 Left Hand;
o Montefeltro Super 90 Turkey;
o Montefeltro Super 90 Uplander;
o Montefeltro Super 90 Slug;
o Montefeltro Super 90 20 Gauge;
o Black Eagle;
o Black Eagle Limited Edition;
o Black Eagle Competition;
o Black Eagle Slug Gun;
o Super Black Eagle; and
o Super Black Eagle Custom Slug.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Bernardelli B4 shotgun and the Bernardelli B4/B shotgun, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the American 180 Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AM-180 Auto Carbine and the Illinois Arms Company Model 180 Auto Carbine.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Barrett "Light Fifty" Model 82A1 rifle and the Barrett Model 90 rifle, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Calico M-900 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the M-951 carbine, M-100 carbine and M-105 carbine.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Iver Johnson AMAC long-range rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the McMillan M87 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the McMillan M87R rifle and the McMillan M88 carbine.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Pauza Specialties P50 rifle and P50 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Encom MK-IV carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbines, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the FAMAS rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the MAS 223, FAMAS Export, FAMAS Civil and Mitchell MAS/22.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Feather AT-9 Semi-Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Feather AT-22 Auto Carbine.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Federal XC-450 Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Federal XC-900 rifle and Federal XC-220 rifle.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Gepard long-range sniper rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch (HK) Model G11 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Research Armament Industries (RAI) Model 500 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Spectre Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Arms PMAI "Assault" 22 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Weaver Arms Nighthawk Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the A.A. Arms AR9 Semi-Automatic Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Claridge HI-TEC C, LEC-9 and ZLEC-9 carbines, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Kimel Industries AR-9 rifle or carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Grendel R-31 Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Maadi Griffin Rifle and the Maadi Griffin Carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the AA Arms Model AR-9 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Calico M-950 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the M-110 pistol.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Encom MK-IV assault pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Encom MP-9 and MP-45 assault pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Encom MP-9 and MP-45 mini pistols.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Federal XP-450 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the XP-900 Auto Pistol.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch (HK) SP89 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Intratec Tec-9 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Tec-9S, Tec-9M, Tec-9MS, and any semi-automatic variants of them, including the Tec-DC9, Tec-DC9M, Tec-9A, Tec-Scorpion, Tec-22T and Tec-22TN.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Iver Johnson Enforcer Model 3000 Auto Pistol and the Iver Johnson Plainfield Super Enforcer Carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Skorpion Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Spectre Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Sterling Mk 7 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Sterling Mk 7 C4 and Sterling Mk 7 C8.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Universal Enforcer Model 3000 Auto Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Universal Enforcer Model 3010N, Model 3015G, Model 3020TRB and Model 3025TCO Carbines.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Arms PMAIP "Assault" 22 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Long Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Claridge Hi-Tec models S, L, T, ZL-9 and ZT-9 pistols.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark 5 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the OA-93 assault pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the A.A. Arms AP9 Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Patriot pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the XM 231S pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the A1, A2 and A3 Flattop pistols.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the AA Arms Model AP-9 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Target AP-9 and the Mini AP-9 pistols.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Kimel Industries AP-9 pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Grendel P-30, P-30 M, P-30 L and P-31 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Claridge HI-TEC ZL-9, HI-TEC S, HI-TEC L, HI-TEC T, HI-TEC ZT-9 and HI-TEC ZL-9 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Steyr SPP Assault Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Maadi Griffin Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Interdynamics KG-99 Assault Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.

Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 12 (in effect since October 1, 1992)

* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Sterling Mk 6 Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Steyr AUG rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the UZI Model A carbine and the Mini-UZI carbine.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol.


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Former Prohibited Weapons Order No. 13 (in effect since January 1, 1995)

* The firearm of the design commonly known as the AK-47 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it except for the Valmet Hunter, the Valmet Hunter Auto and the Valmet M78 rifles, but including the:
o (a) AK-74;
o (b) AK Hunter;
o (c) AKM;
o (d) AKM-63;
o (e) AKS-56S;
o (f) AKS-56S-1;
o (g) AKS-56S-2;
o (h) AKS-74;
o (i) AKS-84S-1;
o (j) AMD-65;
o (k) AR Model .223;
o (l) Dragunov;
o (m) Galil;
o (n) KKMPi69;
o (o) M60;
o (p) M62;
o (q) M70B1;
o (r) M70AB2;
o (s) M76;
o (t) M77B1;
o (u) M78;
o (v) M80;
o (w) M80A;
o (x) MAK90;
o (y) MPiK;
o (z) MPiKM;
o (z.1) MPiKMS-72;
o (z.2) MPiKS;
o (z.3) PKM;
o (z.4) PKM-DGN-60;
o (z.5) PMKM;
o (z.6) RPK;
o (z.7) RPK-74;
o (z.8) RPK-87S;
o (z.9) Type 56;
o (z.10) Type 56-1;
o (z.11) Type 56-2;
o (z.12) Type 56-3;
o (z.13) Type 56-4;
o (z.14) Type 68;
o (z.15) Type 79;
o (z.16) American Arms AKY39;
o (z.17) American Arms AKF39;
o (z.18) American Arms AKC47;
o (z.19) American Arms AKF47;
o (z.20) MAM70WS762;
o (z.21) MAM70FS762;
o (z.22) Mitchell AK-22;
o (z.23) Mitchell AK-47;
o (z.24) Mitchell Heavy Barrel AK-47;
o (z.25) Norinco 84S;
o (z.26) Norinco 84S AK;
o (z.27) Norinco 56;
o (z.28) Norinco 56-1;
o (z.29) Norinco 56-2;
o (z.30) Norinco 56-3;
o (z.31) Norinco 56-4;
o (z.32) Poly Technologies Inc. AK-47/S;
o (z.33) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-47/S;
o (z.34) Poly Technologies Inc. AKS-762;
o (z.35) Valmet M76;
o (z.36) Valmet M76 carbine;
o (z.37) Valmet M78/A2;
o (z.38) Valmet M78 (NATO) LMG;
o (z.39) Valmet M82; and
o (z.40) Valmet M82 Bullpup.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Armalite AR-180 Sporter carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Beretta AR70 assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the BM 59 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including:
o the Beretta
+ BM 59,
+ BM 59R,
+ BM 59GL,
+ BM 59D,
+ BM 59 Mk E,
+ BM 59 Mk I,
+ BM 59 Mk Ital,
+ BM 59 Mk II,
+ BM 59 Mk III,
+ BM 59 Mk Ital TA,
+ BM 59 Mk Ital Para,
+ BM 59 Mk Ital TP, and
+ BM 60CB; and
o the Springfield Armory:
+ BM 59 Alpine,
+ BM 59 Alpine Paratrooper, and
+ BM 59 Nigerian Mk IV.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Bushmaster Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Cetme Sport Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Daewoo K1 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Daewoo K1A1, K2, Max 1, Max 2, AR-100, AR 110C, MAXI-II and KC-20.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Demro TAC-1M carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Demro XF-7 Wasp Carbine.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Eagle Apache Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FNC rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FNC Auto Rifle, FNC Auto Paratrooper, FNC-11, FNC-22 and FNC-33.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the FN-FAL (FN-LAR) rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the FN 308 Model 44, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Competition Auto, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Heavy Barrel 308 Match, FN-FAL (FN-LAR) Paratrooper 308 Match 50-64 and FN 308 Model 50-63.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the G3 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Heckler and Koch:
o HK 91;
o HK 91A2;
o HK 91A3;
o HK G3 A3;
o HK G3 A3 ZF;
o HK G3 A4;
o HK G3 SG/1; and
o HK PSG1.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Galil assault rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the AP-84, Galil ARM, Galil AR, Galil SAR, Galil 332 and Mitchell Galil/22 Auto Rifle.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Goncz High-Tech Carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Heckler and Koch HK 33 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
o HK 33A2;
o HK 33A3;
o HK 33KA1;
o HK 93;
o HK 93A2; and
o HK 93A3.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the J & R Eng M-68 carbine, and any variant or modified version of it, including the PJK M-68 and the Wilkinson Terry carbine.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Leader Mark Series Auto Rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the MP5 submachine gun and MP5 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Heckler and Koch:
o HK MP5;
o HK MP5A2;
o HK MP5A3;
o HK MP5K;
o HK MP5SD;
o HK MP5SD1;
o HK MP5SD2;
o HK MP5SD3;
o HK 94;
o HK 94A2; and,
o HK 94A3.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the PE57 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the SIG AMT rifle, and any variant or modified version of it.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Springfield Armory SAR-48 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the SAR-48 Bush, SAR-48 Heavy Barrel, SAR-48 Para and SAR-48 Model 22.
* The firearm of the design commonly known as the Thompson submachine gun, and any variant or modified version of it, including the:
o Thompson Model 1921;
o Thompson Model 1927;
o Thompson Model 1928;
o Thompson Model M1;
o Auto-Ordnance M27A-1;
o Auto-Ordnance M27A-1 Deluxe;
o Auto-Ordnance M1927A-3;
o Auto-Ordnance M1927A-5;
o Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1;
o Commando Arms Mk I;
o Commando Arms Mk II;
o Commando Arms Mk III;
o Commando Arms Mk 9; and,
o Commando Arms Mk 45.



Yep....
 
TCB in TN, I've been picturing a stock and supressor on my mkIII target guns for a while now. If I can put out aimed fire freehand at 100 yards, how far could I go with a stock? Only one way to find out, and experiments cost me the SBR tax and hassles of getting it approved.

Fer the love of FSM, I just want to play around with a pistol and figure out how to mount a stock, and maybe do it without bothering the neighborhood, why all the nonsense?

http://www.collectorfirearms.org/website Images/Handgun/HG-6.htm

Making a detachable stock like the one above would be pretty easy, but I am with you about whether its worth the stamp, and hassle or not.
A little modification to the pc below would get you pretty close

http://www.centerfiresystems.com/images/view.aspx?productId=1313
 
Like everybody else, post `86 fully automatic weapons.

I always wanted a fully restored and functional P51 Mustang, complete with six Browning M2 machineguns. Money is the only thing keeping me from owning all the components but I'm not sure how the government feels about machineguns being mounted on a functioning civillian-owned aircraft.
 
I could have what I want here in PA, but just don't want to go through the paperwork and tax stamp hassle. I'd like to SBR a T/C Encore, so that any configuration of stocks and barrel lengths would be legal. As it is, I have to have one dedicated Encore pistol frame, and one dedicated Encore rifle frame, and can't put a pistol barrel on a frame with a rifle stock.
 
Full auto UZI (NJ does not allow and Federal law makes them too expensive)

Unless the laws have changed, full auto IS legal to own in New Jersey - of course, a judge and local PD have to sign your paperwork. Good luck with that happening...
 
a stealth bomber jet.
Nuclear warheads.

Well, the OP asked about guns... hmm... electric powered 30mm cannon. I'm pretty sure I'm not legally allowed to own one, and even if I could, the fact that it would require all the paper-work, and it's rarity would break me. I dunno how much they cost, but I know it's out of my price range, that's as good as illegal.
 
The worst is not the things we want but the things that were never made because there was never a market. The .45 vs 9mm argument gets a lot more interesting if the 9mm is shooting 3 round bursts and a 17 round magazine makes a lot more sense.
 
Not as bad as Canada, but if you want to see something COMPLETELY retarded, have a look at the Cook County Illinois crap that Daley had enacted within 48 hours after the Court ruled the gun bans they had here illegal:

*Applicants would need a Chicago firearm permit, costing $100 every three years, as well as an Illinois firearm owner's ID card. They would be required to register all their guns with the city, at a cost of $15 per gun every three years.

*Firearm sales would be banned in the city.

*Chicago residents could register no more than one handgun per month for each qualifying adult in a home.

*People who now own firearms illegally would get a 90-day grace period after the new law takes effect to register the guns without penalty.

*Gun training totaling four hours in a classroom and an hour on a firing range is required before getting a permit. But firing ranges are banned, so training would need to be completed outside Chicago.

*To transport a gun, it would have to be "broken down," not immediately accessible, unloaded and in a firearm case.

* Firearms could be possessed only inside the dwelling. It would be illegal to have a gun in the garage, on the front porch or in the yard. Guns also would not be allowed in hotels, dorms and group living facilities.

*Only one firearm per permit holder can be kept in ready-to-fire condition. Other guns must be taken apart or have trigger locks in place. In homes with minors, all guns must be secured when they are not in the possession of the owner.

*Permit applicants must be at least 21 years old, unless a parent signs for someone 18 or older.

*Assault weapons are banned, as are sawed-off shotguns and "unsafe" handguns, as defined by the Chicago Police Department, which will maintain an online list of prohibited guns.

So many holes I am looking for the pasta to go in it for straining!
 
The primary limiting factor for me is money. There are two full auto's I would like to own: Izu Carbine and American 180.
 
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