What happened to the 10mm???

[17poundr]

The people who say that you need at least a 45apc for self defence are crazy, the destructive power of a 9mm is killer class! A serious slug to be shot with. One only has to see the ammount of murders, suicides ect done with 9mm's. Special forces still use 9mm often, as the aiming is more important here, as I belive it's the training that counts not the calibre so much...

Or, as one writer put it, If given the choise between meeting a gun attack with nothing and a .22lr pistol, I would choose the 22 anytime! Also, there are considerations as to where you are going to use the gun, having super extra high powered bullets zinging in the house where there are kids and not so thick walls, perhaps a lighter gun is preferrable??? I know, it's all been said before, just reminding...

Still, for a practical-outdoors calibre, the 10mm is very interesting...

 

[shooter1]

The people who say that you need at least a 45apc for self defence are crazy, the destructive power of a 9mm is killer class! A serious slug to be shot with. One only has to see the ammount of murders, suicides ect done with 9mm's. Special forces still use 9mm often, as the aiming is more important here, as I belive it's the training that counts not the calibre so much...

str1

 

[Kitt]

My hands are fairly large and I have always liked the Para Ordnance pistols.. so when the P-16 Limited 40S&W came out I bought one...Then I found out how easy it was to transform it into a 10mm ...got the barrel reamed by Hunters Custom, 22lb Wolff spring and a CP shock buff. This is a 16 + 1 1911 package that is 100% reliable and shoots very well...I have firearms that come and go through my gunsafe but the 10mm Para is a keeper. I also just got one of the Dan Wesson 10mm CBob pistols and it looks real promising.. one of the best made pistols I've seen and loaded with extras for under a thousand bucks. Got my eye on a Glock 20...stay tuned.

 

[BigG]

The 10mm did what it was designed to do and then abandoned.

Why it happened in the first place:
The 10mm took the heat off the FBI managers who blamed the issue 9mm for the 1986 Miami firefight. Once their bacon was out of the fire they went back to business as usual, acquiescing on a round the squawkers in the ranks could handle, 40 S&W.

I still have a couple of Colts, but they are similar to the 41 Magnum, everybody claims to want one but when they are available, not many actually buy one.

Here's one:

 

[varoadking]

Nice piece, BigG...

 

[Model 624]

They should have kept the original round from Norma that used a 170 grain bullet. Less recoil, but energy right there with a .357 Magnum. I've still got two case that I hoarded. Lucky me.

 

[DWARREN123]

I think a lot of organizations are scared of it due to it being big, bad and mean and go with the .40 S&W instead. Too much power for an individual is what some think.

 

[17poundr]

Aside a EAA 10mm Witness, I would love a full size xd in 357sig, as one gunwriter put it, the Glock has a more angled grip, so that most shooters get their shots high in a hurry, where as the Springfield XD, has a more 'straight' grip and it suits novices and more experienced shooters better for a 'straight on hit', very important on the second round of a double tap, as ours with very low recoil 9mm FNs in the army were fired as fast as possible from ten meters, and normally the first shots cluttered in a hand sized clump in the center, and the second shots were in a Friszbee sized chaotic pattern out to the high right, which would have meant a double tap of first shot in center chest, and second into the shoulder if good, more to the chest if very lucky and out of bounds if unlucky...

So, the XD is my choise for a more serious kicking load, and the sig357, is a great round exept that it is so high velocity that barrel wear can become a problem... Wish I could do a order of one of those 'do your own' Infinity arms gun, in sig357 with the ceramic barrell...

And, have a carbine like the ones that are real cheap (about 200 dollars new), in 9mm and .40cal, I would make one stonger, and have 357sig rounds spitting out! Or ten mm's!

Well, here are some pretty things to look at....

 

[Mortech]

Oh as a follow up , an EAA Witness didn't follow me home . A genuine S&W 1006 did ! I finally got to shoot it today , unfortunately the only ammo available locally were CCI Blazer 200 gr TMJ

 

[TexasRifleman]

CCI Blazer 200 gr TMJ

Actually the 10mm Blazers are not bad.

I shoot them a lot. It's the only Blazer loading I will buy but in 10mm they do very well at the range and both my 1911's feed them with no problems at all.

 

[17poundr]

Anybody know, what ammo there is for the 10mm, are there any of the 'fancy' brands like Corbon, and other expanding ect rounds???

Also, are the frangible tungsten rounds legal in every state in the US and how do they differ from a regurlar expanding hollow point??? And are any Frangible's available for the 10mm? (that would be a truely mean mf to catch into one self)!

 

[MikePGS]

Anybody know, what ammo there is for the 10mm, are there any of the 'fancy' brands like Corbon, and other expanding ect rounds???

According to their website, the company doubletap was founded just for the 10mm (though they make other calibers as well). Heres a link to their 10mm rounds http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/index.php?cPath=21_25 and actually someone on this forum posted a picture of what a 135 grain 10mm doubletap round did to a wet phone book http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=267655 . Believe it or not, that crater is the entrance wound.

 

[sigma 40ve]

The only thing that happened to 10mm today at my place was the resizing and flaring of 450 cases, tomorrow the primers, powder and bullet seating. Getting ready for GSSF outdoor shoots this year.

 

[obxned]

The 10mm is not as good as a .45 for SD, and not as good as a .357 or .41 or.44 for hunting. If you could only have 1 gun for both hunting and SD, it might be the best choice. However, I would still stick with the .45 - really hot factory loads are available that make it quite suitable for taking any game that the 10mm could handle.

 

[Camp Cook]

I purchased my Colt Delta Elite 10mm new in 1987 and started reloading for it right away.

I now also have a Glock 20 and a 18.5" barrel for my T/C Contender carbine and just last week I ordered a compact Glock 29 10mm and yesterday made an offer on a Kimber Eclipse Custom 11 10mm...

The velocities and performance that I am able to achieve with this round makes it the most versatile standard production semi-auto round in existance...

It can do everything that all the others can do and everything that they can't...

I have absolutely no interest in the 45ACP because when you start with the best you just can't go back to the rest...

 

[yongxingfreesty]

you need a 10mm, here is mine

 

[17poundr]

THANKYOU!!! GREAT PIC (drool, aagh, why cant I have one, aagh )... Ahem, yep, I see the 10mm as a bullet in the making, firstly, a straight up plus + 10mm with a heavy bullet, into a custom made carbine, possibly like the one I'll put into the pictures, it's an ex Warsaw Pact block variant, of the basic AK system, but looks like it could do a good carbine... Anyway, I think so... Then there is that US made carbine for 9mm and .40cal, that takes ten round clips into the hand grip, but apparently can take a Glock double stack too, that would mean, that thickness wize the clip would take probably 10+ rounds of 10mm, and with a bit more scandium-aluminium enforcing for the enhanced round, and a nice X-3 or holo/laser aiming system, this could be a hundred meters plus shure hitter!!! And, down some medium sized game I recon...

Also, the second idea is for military grade steel only, as even the sig357, which is a great idea, just take a .40 and neck it down to have a 9mm bullet on the end, and you get a very fast mover! Infact, much better than a .40 if using expanding ammo, the only problem is apparently that the high velocity makes the barrels wear faster than other bullets like the 'normal' 9mm, or the .40 and 45apc...

So, my idea for a great military carbine round is a similar thing like the sig357, but instead of putting the 9mm bullet onto the .40 cartridge, which is only a short version of the 10mm anyway, why not put it onto a full length 'proper' 10mm?!?!

Now THAT would be a nasty fasty! I bet if given proper barrel material, this round would shoot true for hundreds of meters, and depending on the shape of the bullet, it would have great military, hunting , and personal defence usage... Infact, even guns like those Texas made STI guns, with the five inch barrels, made beefy could handle probably about a 12round of 10mm357, or perhaps a better name for this round could be 'The 9mm Magnum' ???

If I had a little shop, I would go for it and start making the guns, and bullets!!!

Anybody, want to get a very enthusiastic, army background guy, with both legs on the ground, but eyes fixed on the horizon, sence of humour and not afraid of work???

Send me a pm!

Anyway, here are a fiew good candidates for handling the '9mm Mag'...

As usual I put the pics as attachments, I cannot do the pic showing with the text, and I guess you guy's and gal's can click onto a pic just as well...

 

[Camp Cook]

Is the 9 X 25 the round you are dreaming about???

Here's a link at Glock Talk in the 10mm reloading section...

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=228796

 

[glockdude]

10mm love

My glock 20c is awesome. plus with a little help from some custom barrel manufacturers and u can shoot 40cal and 357sig with only changing the barrel. I have a 9mm, 10mm, 45, and 357mag. I have killed Texas whitetail with my 10mm and 45, and with the 10mm gun with the 40cal barrel. equal results from all. just with a lot more kick from the 10mm. and thats with factory compensation.