what is the best technique for under 5-yards?

[Doghandler]

Taking control and grabbing are not the same thing...but it is more a philosophical difference between external and internal martial arts
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Yah, this implication of control in my alternate scenario was an overstatement on my part. Would you consider redirection as more appropriate?

Man, it sure looks to me like Cruise grabbed the guy's arm from one camera angle but not in the other camera angle.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Much more, especially if you have a course of action you are trying to implement

 

[gunnysmith]

It comes down to muscle memory.
I'm working with a previous non-shooter, we attached a small laser to the rail.
He has been practicing his draw with the pistol empty and eyes open.
Distance 5 yds
We have a 3" red dot on a man size b 27 target.
He will graduate to eyes closed to check muscle memory.
Second phase:
The pistol is loaded with a snap cap safety on.
Safety not actuated until 45 degrees after clearing holster.

Repitition is the key until you're on target every time
You get the idea.
Muscle memory is the key to instinctive shooting

 

[coalman]

The focus for almost all will be on the threat not the sights. Go to youtube and watch real shoootings. Most point shoot at any distance. You will likely as well. Practicing it may be wise.

 

[Al Thompson]

Go to youtube and watch real shootings. Most point shoot at any distance.

Why would I want to imitate untrained or poorly trained folks missing?



Hopefully, the folks reading and posting here are constantly trying to get better at shooting, not worse. Time after time, poorly trained shooters miss repeatedly due to a range of factors. But one fairly constant TTP is that those using enough sights get hits.

 

[Doghandler]

Why would I want to imitate untrained or poorly trained folks missing?



Hopefully, the folks reading and posting here are constantly trying to get better at shooting, not worse. Time after time, poorly trained shooters miss repeatedly due to a range of factors. But one fairly constant TTP is that those using enough sights get hits.

Indeed, Sir!

All to often, around here, we read posts that imply we will fail under stress. Well, if that is the case then we need to work harder at our physical and mental training to over come this 'crisis of confidence.'

We strive for excellence in our daily endeavors - well some of us, anyway. For example, I am confident in my abilities at my job and I do my best work when stress levels are highest. I do, however, have co-workers who lack self confidence and tend to fall apart when stress levels are high.

Train to have confidence in your repertoire and even more importantly know your weaknesses and limitations to keep you from falling into the trap of overconfidence.

 

[Jefpainthorse]

Most every good theory of draw stroke give a chance of firing from retention...

usually with the gun near the pectoral muscle on the chest...

If your closing less than five yards you missed something... I'd be thinking about lateral movement off the line of attack in that case. Distance allows extension... extension allows sights. How much sights?... learn to index the gun over the target... front sight as a aid to alignment... I have found that working at speed less than 15 feet or so.. I am aware of the sights.. but not focusing them as much as I would at a greater distance.

 

[9mmepiphany]

If your closing less than five yards you missed something... I'd be thinking about lateral movement off the line of attack in that case.

If you take a look at Youtube videos, you'll see that most knife attacks start well within 5 yards...or even 5 feet...certainly a punch or club attack does. You really need to learn/develop a conditioned response to ward off that first attack before you can even think about lateral movement.

{Digression}On the Earlier Point of Moving Backwards: It is a horrible idea, cloaked in the appearance of a good idea because it taps into one's sense of "getting away".
1. Most folks don't even understand how to move backwards (the balance point is completely different from moving forward) effectively...but they think they do. Many folks don't even understand walk forward...but they think they do because they've been doing it so long
2. Try it, while someone is rushing towards you, and see how far you get before you fall/trip
3. Moving backwards on anything but level ground, is like walking forward with your eyes closed...but with worst balance {end Digression}

Don't fall into the trap of the 21 foot rule. That is indeed a danger zone for an edged weapon attack, but it wasn't developed to teach that knife attacks start from that distance. The demonstration was developed to make the point that trainees needed to develop non-shooting combat skills for attacks within that envelope

 

[Averageman]

Don't fall into the trap of the 21 foot rule. That is indeed a danger zone for an edged weapon attack, but it wasn't developed to teach that knife attacks start from that distance. The demonstration was developed to make the point that trainees needed to develop non-shooting combat skills for attacks within that envelope
Great point, if you look again at the tape of Cruise (perhaps a poor example, but it is posted.) The bad guys point of failure was closing that gap. It never crossed his mind why Cruise didn't move...at all?
I'm sure a lot of folks can do it better, but when I practise this is almost 30% or more of what I train, inside 10 feet.

 

[Doghandler]

It comes down to muscle memory.
I'm working with a previous non-shooter, we attached a small laser to the rail.
He has been practicing his draw with the pistol empty and eyes open.
Distance 5 yds
We have a 3" red dot on a man size b 27 target.
He will graduate to eyes closed to check muscle memory.
Second phase:
The pistol is loaded with a snap cap safety on.
Safety not actuated until 45 degrees after clearing holster.

Repitition is the key until you're on target every time
You get the idea.
Muscle memory is the key to instinctive shooting

Great confidence building drill you have there, gunnysmith.

It reminds me of a drill taught to me in my early teen years by a baseball coach, a simple game of catch except the thrower actually keeps his eyes closed while throwing the ball. One can get the ball close without using sight. Now bring in the eyes and coordinate with the throwing motion for accuracy.

Even unsighted shooting or instinctive shooting or whatever we choose to call it, is still fundamentally a hand eye coordination activity.

 

[mortablunt]

At short range, line of sight aiming is sufficient. There's also the option to use melee attacks. A knife at 5-feet is highly effective. There is always the option to aim low and kick hard.