What is your buying Strategy if there is another AWB?

[phantomak47]

Since we dont really have a candidate in either party that is particularly pro gun, there is a chance of a new AWB after 08, what is your buying strategy if a ban is imposed? This topic has been beaten to death a little bit, but lets make a list. I personally wasnt into firearms or old enough to purchase them before the ban, so I think there is a lot to learn from people who owned firearms before and during the ban.

How many "standard" cap mags?


What firearms will be more desirable after the ban?

 

[kfranz]

Since we dont really have a candidate in either party that is particularly pro gun, there is a chance of a new AWB after 08, what is your buying strategy if a ban is imposed?

My buying strategy is to buy....

This topic has been beaten to death a little bit, but lets make a list.

If you admit it's been done to death, why do it again. YOU make the list of what you want, then buy the stuff on it...

I personally wasnt into firearms or old enough to purchase them before the ban, so I think there is a lot to learn from people who owned firearms before and during the ban.

How many "standard" cap mags?

Hundreds

What firearms will be more desirable after the ban?

Those that have been banned...

 

[Prof. A. Wickwire]

kfranz,

What do you mean "New Assault Weapons Ban?" The old one never expired.

By the way, I live in upstate New York.

Sincerely,

Prof. A. Wickwire

 

[aguyindallas]

Although at the moment my gun spending is frozen (due to new home purchase), there are some very key things I want to accomplish in the next 18-24 months:

1. 2 AR built SBR's
2. AR built in .308
3. 2 AK-47's
4. 20 Standard Cap Mags per semi-auto rifle
5. 10 Standard Cap mags per semi-auto pistol

Thats just my short list...

 

[MatthewVanitas]

This is assuming that some grandfather clause will be included. Why would folks anticipate a grandfather clause?

The grandfather clause and "copycat assault weapons" are what the antis insist derailed their otherwise wonderful legislation.

Just my prediction: either there won't be a new AWB, or the new one will be far more restrictive than the old. Even the antis admit that the '94 AWB accomplished next to nothing.

I'll stick with proactive, not reactive.

-MV

 

[kfranz]

What do you mean "New Assault Weapons Ban?" The old one never expired.

Well, "New AWB" wasn't my comment, it was that of the original poster. And yes, the FEDERAL Assault Weapons Ban" did sunset. Your state has its own goofy version.

 

[PILMAN]

This is assuming that some grandfather clause will be included. Why would folks anticipate a grandfather clause?

The grandfather clause and "copycat assault weapons" are what the antis insist derailed their otherwise wonderful legislation.

Just my prediction: either there won't be a new AWB, or the new one will be far more restrictive than the old. Even the antis admit that the '94 AWB accomplished next to nothing.

I'll stick with proactive, not reactive.

-MV

That's why you don't register your guns. They don't know what you have unless you filed a 4473 and even that only indicates you purchased a firearm at one point.

 

[Roccobro]

Your state has its own goofy version.

As does mine.

I'd do exactly what I did last time. Buy as many receivers of the firearms to be banned that the credit card allows. Build them up later. Stockpile as many mags as possible.

That's why you don't register your guns. They don't know what you have unless you filed a 4473 and even that only indicates you purchased a firearm at one point.

But once a ban and grandfather clause go into effect, you have to register them or become a criminal.


Although I think the next type of gun targeting scheme will be the tax/ban ammo game. Legislation for that route hasn't been popular or common in the past. Remember the talk of taxing primers about 15yrs ago? See, i they cannot take our guns, they can try and make them useless or too hard or expensive to operate them....

Justin
"More ammo please!"

 

[redneckrepairs]

Mine is less a buy stratagy than a dont sell stratagy . Ill try and pick up some mags for anything i have that is double stack ( both rifles and pistols ) and lay in a bit more ammo . Commonly broken spare parts and springs too . If i see a heck of a deal on a parts gun kit ( fal, ak , ect.. ) ill prob nab it but i am not going to search one out . I am not setting too bad if they do pass a ban , but could use more " consumeables " like mags springs ammo ect.. If you want one of my millitairy style rifles well they are for sale now , only $500.00 for an sks , 2,000 for an ar and 3,000 for a fal LOL . After a ban they will either allready be sold or if there is a grandfather on them not for sale .

 

[rbernie]

In general, this topic requires that you decide a) what you want to have for youself, b) what what you want to hoard, and c) what you want to do to preclude needing to hoard.

If every one who bought a EBR in anticipation of a ban actually sat down and wrote a series of letters, say one every couple of months, to their elected officials (state and Federal) outlining their opposition to AWB or other firearms restrictions - we wouldn't likely HAVE a next AWB. If every one who participated in these threads took the time to email the link to http://www.gunfacts.info/ to their friends, and printed the flyer and mailed it to their elected officials once a quarter - we wouldn't HAVE another AWB.

If y'all wanna stock up on stuff, that's cool. I certainly have reprioritized certain purchases since Nov06 myself.

But that's not the end of the process - it's the beginning.

 

[DMK]

Although I think the next type of gun targeting scheme will be the tax/ban ammo game.

Ammo availability is something I've been most concerned about. I've stocked up on as much imported and surplus ammo as possible because I think that ammo importation would be the easiest thing for them to ban (ever priced domestic 7.62x39 or tried to buy domestic 7.5 Swiss?). Even if the US govt doesn't do it, it looks like the UN is putting enough pressure on other countries to make export bans happen at some point.

However, an ammo tax would be a difficult sell. That is the one legislation that would bond all gun owners to a common cause. It doesn't matter if you're a high brow skeet shooter at the country club, a seasonal deer hunter, a small bore competitor or a Saturday afternoon AK bumpfiring fool. Everyone who owns a gun would get hit with an ammo tax.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

1. 10 More 30 AR mags
2. More ammo
3. 2 more AR lowers
4. AK 47
5. 3 parts kits, 3 repair kits
6. More ammo
7. More ammo
8. More ammo
9. More ammo
10. More ammo

My list to date...I'm trying to take care of the list a week at a time.
Oh, BTW where is the cheapest place to get reloadable 7.62 x 39?

 

[outofbattery]

I'm working off the assumption that the next time a ban comes around,they're going to be significantly smarter and the loopholes are going to get closed.I think we'll see nebulous wording like " military styled" weapons will be banned and could even see it become unlawful for dealers to transfer " large capacity feeding devices" regardless of age of manufacture.Will it get that bad?Who knows,but I'm mentally prepared for the worst- if not financially.

Currently have: 2 AK's,FAL,CETME,3 AR's and a PS90- would like to add the same number every gunny wants!I have around 60 G3 mags,20 FAL's,25 AR's and a dozen for the AK.I remember the ABSURD prices Glock mags commanded and would like another dozen of them.

I think registration of "assault weapons" is unlikely for the same reasons Canada's gun registry is a boondoggle but that doesn't mean they wouldn't necessarily try.The transfer of them may however become unlawful but without registration,that's not very enforcable in most states.

 

[rbernie]

I'm working off the assumption that the next time a ban comes around,they're going to be significantly smarter and the loopholes are going to get closed.

I suspect that when the AWB-II bill shows up, it'll likely be rehash of AWB-I simply because that's a proven commodity and less of a leap to make. It's hard to sell Step 2 if you can't get Step 1 implemented.

I believe that they'll start with 50BMG, maybe hit the importation of ammo, and then go for AWB-II. If AWB-II goes well, then they start closing loopholes in it.

I cannot see them EVER passing laws without grandfather clauses, tho - that would almost certainly be a poison pill for the bill. They may try to block future transfers, but they'll not be so silly as to try to make the current inventory illegal.

 

[tinygnat219]

Mine's a secret...

 

[vis-à-vis]

AWB II has been Introduced

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255366

Because of the Shootings in PA.

 

[OrvilleYertleson]

Plenty of Magazines and some lower ar receivers.

 

[Mannlicher]

that little issue has already been taken care of.

Thinking about a 'strategy' now, is a wee bit late.

 

[bogie]

Well, hey, lots of you folks WANTED this to happen. You helped ELECT these people.

The next time they try something, it's gonna make the last one look almost palatable. I think they're gonna go for anything semi-auto. And they're probably gonna make all of us who own semi-autos into criminals if we do not turn them in.

 

[GEM]

No one wanted a new AWB. However, GWB's stunning incompetency in the War was seen as more important to many than the chance of a new AWB. Let's grow up on real world politics. As long as gun folk think that the world is a single issue system that compells you to vote for any idiot who mildly favors guns when other issues are taking us to hell in a handbasket - that will doom the cause.

I do recall, George is in favor of the AWB as are many of the current GOP contenders that have a chance of winning the nomination. Oh, dear.

Last, as Matthew and others said - a new AWB will slam shut the holes in the old one. There was very detailed research studies demonstrating why the old ban was stupid from the antigunners point of view. A new one will nail all military derivative guns and confiscate existing stocks.

So go post, how one will fight or bury the guns in PVC. I like the idea instead of being proactive in the political arena, instead.

 

[bogie]

Fun part is that when the jihadists do something else big and nasty on US soil, we'll have a buncha folks wearing little flag lapel pins again, and calling for heads on stakes.

DO NOT let the media make your decisions for you.

 

[Stretchman]

Yep, and you and I will be the first to go when another attack happens, and then the door will slam shut on us too.

Why would people go so out of their way to buy up as many rifles of the ban type as possible? WHy have 14 of the same rifle? I just bought a shotgun. I didn't buy it because it was going to be made illegal someday. I bought it because I think it'll last a lifetime.

If and when a new ban appears, and there's nothing here to indicate that it will pass, as of yet, then why not take all of the money that you would put into 20 weapons, and buy one that will last.

If it ever gets to the point that weapons are needed by the general populace, then I virtually guarantee that you will be able to get them anyway, even if you have to take them from an adversary. All is fair, after the SHTF.

 

[Ian]

This is assuming that some grandfather clause will be included. Why would folks anticipate a grandfather clause?

Without a grandfather clause it's an ex post facto law, which is a bit harder to squeeze past the Supreme Court than the other unconstitutional laws they create on a regular basis. So while a grandfather clause certainly isn't guaranteed, it's a decent bet (IMO).

 

[kfranz]

Why would people go so out of their way to buy up as many rifles of the ban type as possible? WHy have 14 of the same rifle? I just bought a shotgun. I didn't buy it because it was going to be made illegal someday. I bought it because I think it'll last a lifetime.

Future resale is one reason. I sold a "pre-ban" Colt AR during the ban, and it pretty much got me 2 post ban compliant FAL's and some parts/pieces. Super trade off as far as I was concerned, since the only thing I lost was a flashhider.

The other reason is why not have 14 of the same rifle, if that's what you like? Everything I've ever bought would last a lifetime and while I don't think I've got 14 of any one type, there are a couple that are in the lower double digits. Most of them are already older than I am, and with minimal care, will be going strong long after I'm gone.

If and when a new ban appears, and there's nothing here to indicate that it will pass, as of yet, then why not take all of the money that you would put into 20 weapons, and buy one that will last.

False premise. The 20 I'd buy WOULD last, every bit as long as yours. Then when it finally did wear out, I'd have 19 spares....

 

[Diesel man]

It wont be long then until my 10 round capacity Yugo sks without grenade launcher is included in the new assault weapon ban that could happen in 2008.I wont register it or turn it in I think I rather be a "criminal" or a walking dead man.I refuse to give up any of my guns I have done nothing bad.