What is your buying Strategy if there is another AWB?

[ArfinGreebly]

Waiting for the Assault Criminal Bill

I don't have anything an AWB would regulate.

At least this time around.

I believe I'll begin suggesting a Criminal Reduction Bill.

I want to know why there are so many criminals running around loose.

Oh, and the Psychologist Elimination Act. They've held our schools hostage long enough, and cranked out three or four generations of half-baked, gratification-dependent, personally-irresponsible crybabies.

Oh, and the Journalism Accountability Act. If you're going to go on the air with a sensational story, you have to be prepared to back it up. I can see it now:

"What are you in for, man?"
"Uh, well, I faked the facts in a news story. Why are you all looking at me like that? Hey, I didn't think weapons were allowed in prison. Whoa, hey, back off man, it's not like I killed anyone . . . hey! Stop!

 

[MatthewVanitas]

Without a grandfather clause it's an ex post facto law,

I'm not a legal guy, but wouldn't it only be ex post facto if they tried to prosecute folks for incidents occuring before the law passed?

If you say "AR-15s are illegal, and anyone who owned one in 2005 is a criminal", that's ex post facto, right?

But if you say "starting in 2008, anyone who owns an AR-15 is a criminal", then that's not ex post facto, is it? It's not your initial purchase that's illegal, it's your continued ownership past a certain date.

-MV

 

[BigSoundRacing]

My new buying strategy

I was old enough to buy just before the previous AWB, so I loaded the safe with a few HK items but no significant ammo. Since I did not load up on ammo I never took the HK items to the range, the SP89 increased 4x in value.

This time around the items in my safe will be much simpler:

1) Qty 2 FN 5.7 with 2500 rounds since they are already banned in most states
2) Qty 1 DSA FAL Para with EOTECH 553.A65 and the EOTECH 4x Magnifier
3) Dillon 650 XL with components to make 2500 rounds of .308 Winchester

My plan is to become very proficient with the FAL, and always keep my reloading components above 2500 pieces of brass with enough components to load twice. Eventually the 2500 will grow to 4000 as funds become available.

I think this time they might go after the ammo, or simply make it harder to obtain. Three years from now, it would not surprise me I could sell the reloading components for enough to pay for everything in the safe.

Be safe, KC

 

[Don't Tread On Me]

I hate these threads.

All they do is inspire defeatism, reactionary (rather than proactive mentality), and panic.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

No one wanted a new AWB. However, GWB's stunning incompetency in the War was seen as more important to many than the chance of a new AWB. Let's grow up on real world politics.

Yes let's "grow up" on real world politics. GWB agrees with me on about 75% of issues. I haven't agreed with his performance on certain things. But I sure as hell didn't try to "punish him and the republicans" by voting in the Democrats that might agree with me on 1%. That is one of the most childish, inexcusable things I've ever heard of. And, it's been admitted to on practically every forum I visit.

 

[Soybomb]

I'm not a legal guy, but wouldn't it only be ex post facto if they tried to prosecute folks for incidents occuring before the law passed?

If you say "AR-15s are illegal, and anyone who owned one in 2005 is a criminal", that's ex post facto, right?

But if you say "starting in 2008, anyone who owns an AR-15 is a criminal", then that's not ex post facto, is it? It's not your initial purchase that's illegal, it's your continued ownership past a certain date.

Yup, that is correct. You cannot be punished for buying one when it was legal, you can be punished for keeping them once they're illegal.

 

[MatthewVanitas]

@Soybomb: thanks for clearing that up. I'm still sticking by my bet though, even the antis admitted that the AWB didn't accomplish much. Thus they're going to argue that they need a bill with fewer "loopholes".

The biggest "loophole" was the "copycat weapons", i.e. Post-Ban guns. If a new AWB passes, I bet that just moving some furniture around won't cut it anymore.

Grandfathering was another "loophole". Surprisingly, the antis seem to make a bigger deal of the grandfathered mags than of the rifles themselves.

Further vexing: the whole "gunshow loophole" thing is getting more and more press. Obviously, it's not just a gunshow thing, but a restriction on private sales entirely. This will quite smoothly undo everyone's oh-so-clever "what assault rifle? I sold it to some guy however many years ago".


As many posters have said, our advantage now vs. the '94 iteration is that the RKBA community is far stronger as a result of the Internet. The anti-RKBA folks have just a few die-hards and then a mass of apathetic folks that will vaguely shuffle in one direction of the other.

Further, I think there is plenty of potential to influence folks in the current generation. A large number of college-age kids are receptive towards learning how to shoot, and that will only increase if more of their peers are exposed to shooting.

-MV

 

[pacodelahoya]

Bogie,

I voted reuplican last election. One of the ones I voted for actually got elected. State representative I believe. I would have voted Libertarian but none were on the ticket. I didn't even have a choice, I had to vote for evil or not vote so don't blame it on me.

I know that you want to keep on doing the same ole, same ole. Me, I'm voting my concience. If we get a ban cuz of it, then so be it. I'm not the one that voted for the ban.




As far as a grandfather clause or not, don't matter to me anyways, I'm not turning em in. If ya'll think that is keyboard commando stuff, you are entitled to your opinion. (you know what they say about opinions in the Army right?)

 

[hoji]

Since we dont really have a candidate in either party that is particularly pro gun,

AHEM...... Ron Paul.

 

[kfranz]

They've held our schools hostage long enough, and cranked out three or four generations of half-baked, gratification-dependent, personally-irresponsible crybabies.

Oh, that I had that kind of power as a school teacher....

 

[Soybomb]

@Soybomb: thanks for clearing that up. I'm still sticking by my bet though, even the antis admitted that the AWB didn't accomplish much. Thus they're going to argue that they need a bill with fewer "loopholes".

I agree with that 100%. I'm not sure how successful it would be to push a complete ban with no grandfather clause. Gun owners have shown they're willing to roll over and accept a ban as long as they can keep what they have. A ban with a grandfather clause and registration would be the absolute worse case scenario because it would be easier to pass and open the door to confiscation through stricter laws in years down the road. It wasn't that long ago I was reading some CA residents here talking about how the state sent them nice letter because something on their walther P22's was no longer legal and they needed to have them modified....

I'm not turning em in. If ya'll think that is keyboard commando stuff, you are entitled to your opinion.

Alright, what are you going to do? Its easy to picture making a stand if you think a gun confiscation truck will roll up and collect your guns. What if you're just a felon when you wake up one morning and no one comes to your house? You've got guns that if you take out of the house to the range might get you arrested either at the range or on the drive to the range. To me it would be much more probable to wind up being arrested for some felony weapons charge after your ar15 is found during a traffic stop. Or your weapons can sit at home where you don't practice with them or use them. Neither one sounds like all that great of a victory.

 

[kfranz]

Or your weapons can sit at home where you don't practice with them or use them. Neither one sounds like all that great of a victory.

how's that saying go? If it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up...

 

[pacodelahoya]

Kfranz, exactly.

My kids are grown and don't depend on me. Some things are worth sacrifice.

Soybomb, that is a question I can't answer as the exact situation will play the way it will play. You can roll over if you want, don't be mad at me if I don't.

 

[rbernie]

Guys - why are y'all still debating what the next AWB is gonna look like? It's already been introduced.

 

[Freedom Inc.]

I agree with the last post completely. When the government can no longer trust its law abiding citizens to possess firearms I must question why. Is it for my own safety, or theirs? I am not a history professor, but I seem to remember that Adolf Hitler required his people to register their firearms, and then subsequently seized them shortly thereafter. I think more than a few of those people were also executed. I would not be comfortable with my government remaining armed while its people are not. Didn't someone say, "the greatest insurance against tyranny is an armed populace," or something to that effect.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Welcome to the High Road Freedom!

I hate it when I sound like a keyboard commando!

 

[Freedom Inc.]

Thanks pacodelahoya! It's good to be here. I just wrote my representative (John Campbell, 48th district) on HR 1022 and asked him to vote no on reauthorizing the ban. The whole notion of it sickens me.

 

[bogie]

The next one is going to be ugly.

Now, will SOME of you keyboard commandos get off your asses, and start working? A good place to start is with the sponsor of the bill...

http://carolynmccarthy.house.gov/in...&SectionID=32&SectionTree=32&lnk=b&ItemID=675

On this web page, she is stretching the truth so far that it breaks. The media needs to hear about this. If a bit of scandal arises, it could kill it before it even starts... And that's a good thing. I'm not looking forward to being called a "domestic terrorist" as they pry it from my cold dead fingers...

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255404

Spin her disinformation tactics back at her. Spin 'em HARD. We can DO this. We have enough people here. Get the media looking at this, and how she is riding the blood and suffering of innocent victims up her political ladder.

Or are all you guys with $125 SKSes hoping that they'll get "grandfathered" into $500 "pre-ban" SKSes? I've got something to say about that, but I _know_ that'll get the mods down on me faster than I'd attack a cold frosty Shiner. Or maybe not...

Right now this thread has been viewed over 700 times. If each of those "views" was really concerned about a rebirth of an AWB, and spent 5 minutes drafting a note to either a congresscritter or the media...

 

[pacodelahoya]

Or are all you guys with $125 SKSes hoping that they'll get "grandfathered" into $500 "pre-ban" SKSes? I've got something to say about that, but I _know_ that'll get the mods down on me faster than I'd attack a cold frosty Shiner. Or maybe not...

At the gun store the other day, A guy asked the owner, as he bought a used gun, "Do you have the box for this?" The owner said "No." I asked him why he wanted the box. He said "It helps to increase the value." I asked him why that would matter. He said "Well, if I wanted to sell it later, sometimes a box is a dealmaker." He then asked me "you save your boxes when you buy a new gun right?" I laughed at him. He said "What was so funny?" I said, "Man the boxes don't even make it out of the store." He said "Well, what if you want to sell them later on?" I cracked up, "Dude, I don't care how much a gun might be worth later on, I ain't sellin none of mine, that's why I buy em, to keep em!"

Yes, I am politically active and write and fax my appropriate pols as needed.

 

[I LIKE IT!]

Let's say they do the impossible and ban all civillian firearm ownership, what then?

Is this treason?
Will you or any one else come together and fight back?

The way things look right now, history will repeat itself.:banghead:

As I've said before, we just don't have numbers on our side. Death by stampeed of sheep.

 

[ctdonath]

The primary problem surrounding the first AWB was that it was mostly cosmetic. An enormous amount of energy went into attacking a law which, for most people in most situations, did little more than prohibit flash hiders and >10-round mags.

My strategy at the moment is to head down the NFA route. Getting "short barreled rifles" of the "assault weapon" style nicely does an end-run around the ban - assuming the next incarnation is sufficiently similar to the first. But that overlooks the meat of the matter...

The issue of "what is your next AWB buying strategy" is defeatist: it gives in to whatever BS the socialists impose on us. What should the real strategy be, that which truly fights back and restores RKBA?
Overturn 922(o).
Don't waste time with trying to make muzzle brakes look like birdcages, or merely hoarding 30-round magazines.
Legalize machineguns - and I mean NEW ones, at fair market prices ... not >20-year-old relics going for 12x practical value.
Restore the right to own what modern soldiers actually use in real-world combat. Don't just give in to trying to weasel your way around a ban.

And yes, I've been trying to figure out how. I have a plan; I need a sympathetic knowledgeable lawyer.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Without a grandfather clause it's an ex post facto law, which is a bit harder to squeeze past the Supreme Court than the other unconstitutional laws they create on a regular basis. So while a grandfather clause certainly isn't guaranteed, it's a decent bet

YES! I mentioned this on a thread a couple months back and couldn't remember the legal term. It's like Jarts (lawn darts) in NYS (this is for you Prof. Wickwire). In the mid 1980s, they were banned in upstate NY because little kids were getting their skulls cracked by the darts (I don't know that was the story). So they banned the sale of Jarts in the state. You could still OWN Jarts, you just couldn't buy, sell, or import them in NYS.

That's probably what the grandfather clause would be. You could own the AW, you could continue to use it, you just couldn't transfer it or buy any new ones.

 

[GEM]

Ron Paul has NO chance of winning anything. The best strategy is to move gun rights more into the main stream, and not keep it in the realm of the nutcases preaching revolution.

For example, if you want to support someone, support a candidate like Bill Richardson, a Democrat, with a good gun record. Spread the RKBA over both parties. If you think that you will save gun rights by trying to think that a group of social conservative white males can really drive the electorate - you are mistaken.

 

[crebralfix]

Wrong question.

What is your *fighting* strategy?

Are you really going to put up with a ban?

 

[crebralfix]

So in thinking about it, such a strategy would be something like:

1) Find 20 people ready to protest
2) File an official redress with the government. Give them 30 days to respond in an official way.
3) If 30 days passes without a response, crank it up a notch and go to court.
4) If the court upholds the Constitutional violation, move into protests.
5) Take said 20 people into DC and protest somewhere. If we're arrested, get outta jail asap.
6) Protest again, but this time armed with the banned weapons.

It's time to stop the Constitutional violations. This means drawing a line in the sand and refusing to allow them to get away with abridging our rights. They're searching our records, stealing our property, fixing elections, prohibiting trials for crimes with less than 6 months jail time, over taxing us, and murdering little old ladies without fear of criminal prosecution.

This is what the RKBA is about. It's not about going to the range and driving a keyboard on a gun forum. It's certainly not about shopping for the next set of guns and accessories that need to last the rest of your life.