What were prices like during the AWB?

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READ HR1022.

They intend to take EVERYTHING they can get ahold of.

This time they not only ban the usual suspects, they are banning pistol-caliber carbines, and anything else that is not "sporting purpose" according to what THEY define "sporting" as. They also specifically state that purchase by a .gov agency assumes it is not "sporting purposes".

They also say PLINKING is NOT a sport.

Anything the .gov buys, is "on the list". There goes Mossberg 500 and 590, Rem 870s, Rem 700s, Savage Model 12, etc.

Also they specifically ban anything STYLED like banned guns.
Make a gun that looks "too mil spec" and it gets baned too.

READ THE BILL.

PASS IT ON.

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
 
This time they intend to take anything they can get away from us.

They want pistol caliber carbines.

FN FiveseveNs

Anything MIL STYLED.

M1 Carbines!

They also say that anything the .gov buys is therefore not suited for what they call "Sporting purposes" and is subject to the ban.

That means, no Mossberg 500/590. No Rem 870s or 700s. No Savage Mod 12s. No Sig 228 or 226, no Beretta 92s, no Glocks. And that's just the easy ones I can think of. Anything that was bought by the FedGov for military or law enforcement use is OFF LIMITS to us if this takes effect!

They also ban anything styled "like" anything named in the ban. Make your toy too "Mil-Spec" and it gets banned too!

READ THE BILL.
PASS IT ON.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
 
We can speculate all we want. There may not be a ban, ther e may be. Of there is one it may include a grandfathering clause on existing firearms and mags, or it may not.

If you think you may someday want a semi-auto or 10+ round mags for one of them, then buying them sooner rather than later is a good idea. The more people that own such weapons and mags the more constituents politicians will have to figure on pissing off. You should write to your politicians, but actually boosting the number of owners speaks loudly as well.

Regardless of a possible ban, growing inflation is a reality now. So the sooner you buy firearms or mags the cheaper they are likely to be in the long run.

I do not agree with the thinking that " A ban is inevitable so we should stop all purchases and spend all our time writing politicians and posting on Internet forums." I also don't agree with the thinking, "They'll never ban my guns so who cares?" And since it is a bit of a crapshoot, it also seems a bit silly to try to invest in a possible run up if you have no actual use of the items yourself. If you "invest" (speculate) in a ton of mags or AKs, for example, then make sure you would be happy to own them or are willing to accept a ho-hum price for them in resale if there is no ban.

A ban is a real risk and nobody really knows what it might entail. It wouldn't hurt to stock up now on anything you might want for the next 25 years or more, since you come out ahead on inflation at the minimum and if the ban turns out to have grandfathering than your ahead then too. If it doesn't then you lose somewhat more than you would have already lost. Plus, you are increasing the consumer/constituent base either way it goes.

Mags are really cheap right now, so I am buying all that I foresee needing to pass on to my kids in 20 years: twenty per firearm because they are often the weakest part of a firearm.

If you can't afford to buy any mags or firearms, then don't feel bad either. Ten rounds can still do a good job in defense and just invest your time in training and practice and ammo.
 
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A ban is a real risk and nobody really knows what it might entail. It wouldn't hurt to stock up now on anything you might want for the next 25 years or more, since you come out ahead on inflation at the minimum and if the ban turns out to have grandfathering than your ahead then too. If it doesn't then you lose somewhat more than you would have already lost. Plus, you are increasing the consumer/constituent base either way it goes.
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Last time I read 1022, it said that anything owned before implementation would be OK. For the original owner to keep.

It said nothing about collecting all ARs that were owned prior to the ban.

Does that make it a good bill? Hell no. But let's at least be accurate about what it says.
 
I would point out that prices only rose on preban rifles in 1994. Contrary to popular belief, the 1994 Feinstein law didn't ban AR-15 type rifles or civilian AK's; in fact, it DID NOT BAN ANY GUNS WHATSOEVER. It banned the marketing of civilian guns under any of 19 banned names, and required newly manufactured civilian guns to pass a features-count limit. Hence, civilian AK's and AR-15 type rifles were just as legal in 1997 or 2002 as they are now, they just could not have more than one Feinstein-despised feature (pistol grip, threaded muzzle, bayonet lug, flash suppressor, folding or adjustable-length stock).

Prices on preban AR's and AK's skyrocketed because those guns could have as many "evil features" as you wanted, and some people were willing to pay a $500+ premium for the ability to mount a flash suppressor and adjustable stock. AR's and AK's with smooth muzzles and non-adjustable/nonfolding stocks were the same price after the law went into effect than before the law went into effect. I bought my AK (2002 model SAR-1) for $379 in 2003, and they were in the $300 range at gun shows for most of the '90s.

The law did cause a sustained spike in the price of handgun magazines (my wife paid $100 or more for a 15-round Glock 19 magazine in 1996 or 1997), but rifle magazines weren't significantly affected for long, since most AR-15 magazines, and practically every AK magazine in existence, was exempt from the ban. European AK steel magazines were $9.99 for 30-rounders and $7.99 for 20-rounders in the early 2000's.
 
Late '94 I went out and bought a NIB Colt AR-15 HBAR for $1800. In 2001 and 8,000 rounds later I sold it in pieces for the same amount. Lower was traded for an identical complete Bushmaster rifle that was post-ban+500 cash. Sold the upper, metal collapsible stock and a few mags separately. Took the cash and bought a Glock 34 for $550 and had money left over. All the rest of the stuff I bought while the ban was in effect. I lost thousands in value in my mag collection when it expired. Don't care, I don't ever want another one.

No way the ban pushers will make the same mistake again. They realize they radicalized an entirely new gun buying population. Cost was no object for me, it was full acquisition mode in case the ban became permanent. Instead of seeing that a complete ban would radicalize people in a Lexington and Concord sense the banners see that their first effort was too weak. I personally had grown up around guns and planned on getting some eventually. I bought that AR while I was home on leave after boot camp and school, never planned to buy a gun then. Knew almost nothing about the gun culture or even the ban. I just knew Clinton had signed a ban and no one knew how bad it would get. I was 19, it was my first gun besides the single shot .22 I had been given as a child. Now I'm a full blown gun nut, member of the vast right wing conspiracy, "combat sports participant", and paying on a life NRA membership. Good job Clinton!
 
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I bought a Colt AR-15 mix master two tone for $600 and sold it three weeks later for $1600 after advertising it for $1200. It was a bidding war over the phone. I'd rather this never happen again. I can go out and earn a grand, but losing rights sucks! This is one reason I keep thinking converting my AR over to a SBR. It seems that title II weapons are unaffected.
 
While I appreciate you wanting to help new shooters and get more people into the fold, I can't help but read that email and It sounds like you've given up. A new AWB will be a very tough sell and you could be putting your energy toward helping us make sure another one doesn't pass.
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You should have taken my advice to click on my name and read my past posts. Whatever it "sounds like" top you I AM involved in trying to prevent such things from happening again. I fight for the best and prepare for the worst. Read all my past posts. Now for myself, I dont need the information asked for above because I am already motivated to get what I can while I can. NOT for the purpose of being able to bury it, but for having it if I need it. Yes, I do have my line in the sand, and when that line is crossed it is time to send the wife back home to her parents and do something about it.

I understand your frustration with short-minded folks who wont get involved but will buy something to collect dust "while they can." But you are barking up the wrong tree here.
 
Prices during the BAN== RIPOFF -Can you SAY RIP OFF-
CDNN/// R -guns and cheaper than dirt were the WORST OFFENDERS OF PRICE GOUGING= Especially LYING to us as in LAST ONES EVER soon No more BUY NOW Last ones ever !!! AS they sat on thousands and Thousands of mags --KID= remember who skk-rr-eeww--ssss you royally and dont do Business with them !
 
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I made more than 4000% profit on those weapons. I had an AR that had more than 1000 rounds through it, that I bought for $475 that I unloaded for $1800.
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I don't mean to burst your bubble but what you describe is about a 380% profit, not a 4,000% profit.
 
Just to throw this out there. During the Clinton ban I bought a Romanian SAR-1 (AK clone) for $320.

After the ban, the Romanians stopped exporting them to us in favor of the WASR, which has the bayo lug and mil muzzle trimmings.... but some would aruge is an inferior built rifle.

Today, an SAR-1 goes for $450. Go figure.

* Another unusual thing. Back in 2000 or 2001 you could still get a Chinese NDM-86 Dragunov rifle for under $2,000. Today, after the ban they go for $3,000 minimum.

Don't get me wrong, the ban was horrible... but its funny how the market can change. :scrutiny:
 
Title II's- You really think that if they hit the ban home, they won't get out the BATFE records and start making phone calls? Good luck.
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You do have a valid point, they know exactly where to go to come get them. But what I was referring to was during the last ban, if you mfgrd. a SBR AR-15 you could put all the evil features on it you wanted. Title II was uneffected.
I just hope it never gets to the point of JBT going house to house collecting toys like the Burger Meister-Meister Burger.
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I remember my younger brother paying some healthy money for his glock mags. Just before the ban took affect, I made sure to have a dozen magazines per gun, with at least 1 rebuild kit for each.

My take on this new one is this:

They'll never get it "as-is". They will try to compromise it just enough to pass.

Our secret weapon? How many folks out there with high cap magazines in thier new CCW weapon? How many states/people have CCW permits now vs. then?
 
I remember seeing Russian SKS's for $126, Eagle Arms AR15's for $850 and Norinco 1911 clones for $300 during the 94 gun ban.

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I remember Chinese Norinco SKS boxes stacked three feet high along a 12' wall in a fleamarket booth priced at $89 each, all you wanted all day long.
And the Norinco 1911's, oh man, if I had only paid attention back during those days.
Then again, I'm now looking at Anvil Arms AR-15 receivers at $100 each and wondering if I should buy a couple. Duuuhhhh!!!
 
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