What should LEOs do in a case like this?

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I know a man that was speeding while taking someone to the ER and LEO got behind him, no red lights, until they got to the ER. At that point the LEO left, no questions. Personally, I think the lady in this story should be able to beat both tickets.

Husband Dies after Wife Detained For Speeding to Louisiana Hospital
http://www.officer.com/article/article.jsp?id=20223&siteSection=1


DERIDDER, La. (AP) -- State police are investigating whether a state trooper acted properly when he stopped and detained a woman who was speeding her husband to a hospital, where he died of a possible heart attack.
"After a complete investigation, the action or inaction of the trooper will be handled appropriately," Col. Henry Whitehorn, the superintendent of state police, said Wednesday in a news release.

Authorities and family members were awaiting autopsy results on Aaron Isbell, 43, who died early Tuesday at Beauregard Memorial Hospital.

Family members said Isbell's wife, Korrie, was driving her husband to the hospital around midnight Monday because he was suffering symptoms of a heart attack.

Aaron Isbell's brother, Mark Isbell, said that at some point during the four-mile drive on U.S. 171 from the Isbells' home to the hospital, a trooper saw Korrie Isbell speeding and tried to stop her, but she kept driving.

When they arrived at the hospital parking lot, the trooper, whose name has not been released, detained Korrie Isbell for several minutes, questioning her about speeding and refusing to stop, Mark Isbell said.

State police said Korrie Isbell traveled approximately one mile after the trooper tried to stop her, then pulled into the emergency room parking lot of Beauregard Memorial.

At 12:11 a.m. Tuesday, a DeRidder police officer who had followed the trooper and the Isbells to the hospital went into the emergency room and returned with help for Isbell, who was still in his truck, Mark Isbell said.

Mark Isbell said his brother was placed in a wheelchair and taken inside the emergency room, but that Korrie Isbell was not allowed inside until after the trooper issued her a speeding ticket - 61 mph in a 35 mph zone - and a ticket for failing to yield for an emergency vehicle.

"My sister-in-law was driving through town with her flashers on because she thought my brother was having a heart attack," said Mark Isbell. "Rather than letting her get my brother inside and get him help, the state trooper kept both of them out there and even tried to question my brother."

Lisa Simmons of Newton, Texas, and her 20-year-old son saw the incident. She had taken her pregnant daughter-in-law to the emergency room. "What's ironic is that we came from Texas to DeRidder with our flashers on to get to the hospital," she said. "It makes me worry now: Can the same thing happen to us? All her doctors are in Louisiana."

Isbell sat in his truck for at least five minutes before anyone sought help for him, Simmons said. And Korrie Isbell was detained for 10 to 15 minutes, she said.

Louisiana State Police Troop D spokesman Sal Messina said troop commanders' internal investigation will include questioning of witnesses and a review of videotapes.
 
Being delayed 5 minutes when you are having a heart attack may or may not make any difference. The problem is the husband died. Who knows what would have happened if he had not been delayed.

If it can be shown that the officer delayed life saving medical care, then I think he and his department are liable.
 
I'll take the ticket but you better not try and stop me from getting the person in the door. If you want to write me one after the person is getting cared for then that is fine with me.
 
I would hope the first words she would have spoken were "my husband is having a heart attack".

At that point medical assistance should have been summoned. I'm suprised no one from the hospital came out to see what was going on.

Once her husband was being treated I would have talked to the woman, and after determining that she thought her husband was having a heart attack I would have wished them both well and left.

Did those five minutes cost her husband his life? Only the doctors can tell us that.

Was it really five minutes, or did it just seem like that to her?

Once it was determined that there was indeed a medical emergency, no tickets should have been issued.
 
Barney Fife

Another case of giving an idiot a badge and a gun who then thinks he's a genius. A black eye to good cops everywhere. So he's gonna claim some kind of moral high ground for citing her breaking the speed limit while ignoring the fact that she's taking her husband to the ER? :fire:
 
Having a medical emergency doesn't entitle you to drive like an idiot at 26 mph over the speed limit endangering everyone else. That's why they invented 911 and rescue squads. Hell, most ambulance drivers would get in trouble for going that fast with lights and siren.
 
So charge her with a crime if she has an accident. There is a limit to the usefulness of preemptive crime fighting.

Surely someone with the keen deductive powers of a sheriff's deputy will realize that the woman speeding to the emergency room can always be given a ticket later if it is absolutely necessary.
 
Both times I have been stopped for speeding, the first words out of the officers' mouths have been, "Sir, were you going this fast because of an emergency?"

Emergencies don't entitle you to drive like a maniac, but they are a HUGE factor in the exercise of administrative discretion. Also, a woman driving an obviously stricken man to a hospital at a high speed is a clear enough indication that the officer needed to either get the heck out of her way, or help her in summoning a doctor. Anything the officer did to delay her, provided that she didn't jump right out of the car and assault him (which I don't think she did), was entirely inappropriate and he should be fired for it.
 
I hope you were kidding

SIOP, I really hope you were kidding. If I need to get my wife or son to the ER I'm not waiting around for EMS. I live less than 10 mins from the hospital, it would take them that long to respond to a call. How can you be sure this was not her situation as well? Also, if my family needs medical attention and my lead foot gets them to it faster, I damn well will drive 26 miles over the speed limit. And calling 911? Where have I heard that before? If you were being sarcastic, please disregard my rant. If not, well...
 
I dont think that an emergency necessarily gives you the right to speed at 26+ mph over the speed limit. I respond to emergencies EVERYDAY in my profession, which also happens to be law enforcement, and we have a saying: "you cant help anyone if you never make it there." I attended a special school for driving, not just a class, but a school, for driving, and there are some men who get weeks of training just on their driving. This is not your average run of the mill drivers education course, but we actually drive different tracks with different "events" to teach us how to react in different situations.
 
This was 12:11am...probably little or no traffic. Trooper should have used a little more discretion.
Reminds me of the time I was stopped for doing 45 in a 55 at 2:00am...Trooper had no indication I had been drinking, but was on a fishing expedition. When I told him I was driving slowly simply because I was in no hurry to get home, he threatened to give me a ticket for impeding traffic...right, there were 3 cars on the road, his, mine and the one that passed us after I was stopped. Another bad representative of law enforcement that gives a bad name to the good guys.
 
I'll have to shut up soon.

Okay, so now we're not going to take any risks for the ones we love because we lack the driving skills of a police officer? Incidentally, having worked security details for quite a few admirals and such, driving was also a part of our training. Yes, it's been a while, but perhaps it becomes what is know as acceptable risk. I'm sure police reading this are familiar with the term, they use it every time they initiate a high speed chase when they could easily radio ahead. Or perhaps LEO's are the only ones in this room trained enough to use this Buick?
 
61 mph doesn't sound like an insane speed. If his treatment was delayed I think the officers department is going to look very bad.
 
61 in a 35, after midnight, is considered to be reckless? Having the blinkers on sounds more like a planned run than a panic. Lordy, folks don't even want to know how fast I went, taking my kid to the hospital when I saw he was having convulsions. I'll just say I never broke 120 while going through downtown Austin on the way to Brackenridge hospital. Saved ten minutes over ambulance time. From what I learned about treatment, I saved five minutes over phoning somebody for instructions.

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I dont think that an emergency necessarily gives you the right to speed at 26+ mph over the speed limit. I respond to emergencies EVERYDAY in my profession, which also happens to be law enforcement, and we have a saying: "you cant help anyone if you never make it there." I attended a special school for driving, not just a class, but a school, for driving, and there are some men who get weeks of training just on their driving. This is not your average run of the mill drivers education course, but we actually drive different tracks with different "events" to teach us how to react in different situations.
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Well golly gee wiz ....... I'm sure we're just impressed all to hell with your schoolin' ..... wait till it's one of your family members who's dying - by the way, most of us don't need to be "trained" how to drive 60mph

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Twice in my life I got tailed speeding on the way to the hospital...one was sort of funny, one wasn't.

The first time I was burning up the road to get my wife in for our third child...water broken already, she was notoriously quick with deliveries. The cop stopped me, I jumped out and yelled what I was doing....the cop said OK, made a quick turn, and went the other way. She had the baby in the elevator at the hospital.

The second time I came home to an empty house, a neighbor ran over and told me my 6 year old daughter had fallen thru the ice and was rushed to the emergency room....this was in pre-cell phone times and I had been on the road for hours.

Four miles later and rolling thru 8 lights to the hospital, I had 2 police cars on my tail when I pulled into the emergency room lot. They followed me into the hospital, but let me off the hook. My daughter had pushed out one younger child to run for help while she held another 's coat who had slipped under the ice...all the children were OK after a couple of days.

I guess it just depends on the cops. If I had had a faster car, they would have needed a helicopter to keep up...and the hell with them.
 
most of us don't need to be "trained" how to drive 60mph
Now that is funny!!!

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"Isbell sat in his truck for at least five minutes before anyone sought help for him, Simmons said."

They would have had 3 patients if I'd been driving - the original one, me and cop. :mad:

John
 
The cop and I would have been having our conversation as I ran into the ER.
And I would have been quite willing to run through him. Getting between my family and my friends and needed medical care is a very dangerous place to be standing. I'm quite willing to let a judge and jury decide if my actions were reasonable under the circumstances. That's not going to do the guy trying to delay treatment of my kith and kin a whole lot of good, now is it?

I work in the emergency department. I see people rushing up to the entrance all the time with their flashers on. With the police behind them. I've never seen a policeman detain them outside of the hospital. I have seen the policeman accompany us into the ED and then leave once he's satisfied that they were speeding due to an emergency.

This officer's actions were different than any officers' actions that I have witnessed in 11 years in an ED.
 
Lack of common sense, take care of emergency first then issue ticket.
People act and don't think. :(
 
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