What to do if someone is kicking down your door ?

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hi,i'm new to this forum.

i am a new handgun owner and found this site while researching gun topics

anyway this is the reason i got a gun and ask what would you do in this sitution

a buddy of mine is at home sleeping the other day when he hears someone knocking on his door.he thinks its a girl he just dumped and does not want to be bothered so he doest answer.

they kept knocking,for about 5 minutes.

then he hears a bang at the door.then he relizes that it is someone trying to break into his apartment and they were just knocking to see if someone was home

he has a gun,but was at the shooting range 2 days ago and left it at the gun shop to be cleaned.so he had no weapon

they kicked on the door about 4 times just about opening it and then left.(guess is someone heard or saw them )

even if he had his gun, he and i are thinking what should have been done

what would you do

the three options in my mind are

1.shoot at the door while they are kicking it

2.wait till they kick it in and enter then shoot them

3.wait till they get in and hold them at gun point until police arrives

what would you do ?
 
First learn how to clean your own damn gun!!!!!! That way you will have it when you need it. Call 911. Stay on the line with the police. Hopefully one had the commmon sense to get a cordless phone or a cell phone before this situation ever occured. Find a safe room to go to with only one entrance and a secure lock on the door. Stay put and wait for the police. DO NOT SHOOT THRU THE DOOR :cuss: That crap is for movies. You don't know who is on the other side.

Get some professional training/help. Contact the NRA, police and find out who teaches CHL and self defense classes in your area. Learn the laws in your state regarding the use of deadly force.
 
Rule #3

Know your target and what is beyond your target.

Personally I would never fire at an unseen target. In this case I would let them kick the door in, then proceed as necessary.

If they are armed, open fire.

If they are not, shout stop while covering them with the weapon.

If they run, let them run.

If they stop, hold them and wait for the police.

If they charge me, open fire.
 
left it at the gun shop to be cleaned.so he had no weapon

Aggg! That's frustrating to read. If one is going to own a gun and shoot it, one needs to learn how to keep it clean. The two go hand in hand, and are not seperate. Sort of like driving a car, and making sure it has oil in the engine. The gunshop should just teach the guy how to clean. Really, it's very simple just ask questions, have someone show you, and try it.

BTW - Welcome to THR!
 
I echo zookrider.

No shooting through doors. For any reason. Well, maybe if your house is being attacked by zombies, but that isn't this scenario. :D

Call 911, keep them on the line. If the door is not breached, good. If it is breached, point weapon at the intruder and give ONE verbal command to stop. If he runs, fine. If he stops and drops, good. If he keeps coming at all, even as the command is given, shoot.
 
Call 911 if time permits.

Take cover and post on the door.

Wait till door is broken down.

Shoot.
 
People that must take their guns to a gunsmith to be cleaned scare me!
About the second time the BG kicked my door, I would tell him "come on in, I have a surprise for you". I don't think my door would stand 3 kicks! :D
 
Perhaps he was having the weapon detail stripped. Might be good having an expert handle that if you don't know your way around all the springs and widgets.

As to what to do, I agree with zookrider. I would also do some hollering before they break the door down. "Stop or you'll be shot!" (Arizona permits the threat of deadly force under certain circumstances where the use of deadly force is not permitted. Criminal tresspass is one of them).
 
That's why you need multiple guns, but I think we all knew that already.
 
When my G-19's in pieces being scrubbed on the bench, the 1911's at hand, condition 1. I realize not everyone has that luxury.

Beyond that, and in answer to the question posed: what Zook and Techie said!!!!!!!!!!!

Stay safe.
Bob

Edited: What the heck's a 1922???????? Fixed it.
 
Call the police and wait till he is through, one command to stop and show you his hand's, he doesn't and reach's for something, shoot him. If he has a badge or something else to reach for to identify him as something you don't want to shoot he will make it obvious and not just reach. After that either keep the gun on him while on the phone wiht 911 or if you have them and know how to properly secure someone with them zip tie/handcuff him. If you have no clue how to do that don't and jsut keep the gun on him. Make sure you tell the 911 operator that you have a gun so they can tell the police that. If they walk into a break in and jsut have one guy on the ground at gun point that open's the door for messy misunderstanding's.

DO NOT just shoot through the door and DO NOT just shoot somewhere else when you can't see someone. One- You don't know what it is. If you just hear knocking and ignore it cause you can barly hear it or are half asleep for all you know it is a cop with a warrent (even if you didn't do something screw up's happen) and you didn't hear it. You do not want to shoot through the door at a cop. Or it could pass through the door and into someone elses house/apartment or across the street or something like that and hit someone else. Missing and shooting a kid I would imagine isn't the best thing to have on one's mind. Two- Save the ammo, ammo aint cheap and putting a bullet into his chest if needed is goign to be a lot more effective then putting hole's in your door. Plus if you don't use it as an absoloutly last resort in many if not most state's you open yourself up to criminal charge's esspecialy if you kill the guy. Some state's just entering your home by force authorizes deadly force. In some state's you legaly have to (stupid as it is) retreat and let the criminal have at it and unless he spacificly goes to attack you you can't use force to get him out of your home.
 
Now comment on the cleaning.

Spend the money, get a cleaning kit, and clean your own freaking gun. A one armed monkey with paranoid schizophrenia could clean his own gun with a cleaning kit.

The one and only one exception to this is if you have a gun with a chit load of little part's and peice's (like my .38 special) then and only then would I recomend taking it to a gunsmith when you need the internal's cleaned. And that is extremly rare having to really do that. And most gun's are much easier to strip down and clean yourself. But unless it requires complete disasembly on a gun with a million little part's and peice's you should be cleaning your own gun's.
 
What if they have gotten past the front door and are now kicking on your safe-room door?If they have identified themselves as LE's thats one thing,but if not,do you let them in the last door?Not me!!!
 
re taking the gun to a gunsmith for cleaning, it's about the same thing as taking the car to the mechanic when it's out of gas. Sure, the mechanic can put gasoline in your car for you -- but why?

As for the rest:
1.shoot at the door while they are kicking it
Bad, bad idea. Morally, it's bad because you don't know what's on the other side of the door.

Legally, it's a bad idea because if you use a gun for self-defense, you must be able to articulate how your life was in danger at the moment you pull the trigger. The door between you and the intruders pretty well means that your life isn't yet in immediate danger, so shooting them is a very bad move if you want to stay out of prison.

2.wait till they kick it in and enter then shoot them

3.wait till they get in and hold them at gun point until police arrives
Those are both possibilities; which one you will use depends on a lot of different variables.

Some things to consider: does your state require you to retreat as far as possible even in your own home? (Some do, some don't.)

Are you able to get out of sight of the front door, or will you be in their sights the second the door comes open?

When the door does open, can you see whether they are armed? In some states, the mere fact that they broke in allows the homeowner to presume that they are armed and are there to commit a violent felony, allowing self-defense. In other states, that's not true; the homeowner has to see a specific threat (a weapon & some intent to use the weapon) before he may use deadly force to defend himself. In still other states, there's a difference between daylight & the hours of darkness as far as what the homeowner is presumed to know. And in at least one state the homeowner may shoot to protect property, not just to defend human life, so none of the above applies.

If you can get out of sight from the front door, you might consider using command voice to make them STOP (or DON'T MOVE), but you need to know what you will do if they turn & run away instead. Shooting a man in the back is generally bad juju. If they do stop, you need to know what to do next; make them drop weapons, get their hands up (elbows locked, palms toward you), slowly turn away from you, move away from the weapons, get down on their knees and then flat on their stomachs with their hands out to the sides, palms up, ankles crossed, faces away from you so they cannot see what you are doing. Do not approach them; don't try to handcuff anyone; and don't shoot anyone who isn't an immediate threat to your life. Then you can call the police, keeping your gun aimed at the bad guys, and describe the situation to them. Give the police a good description of yourself, make sure they know you are armed and the good guy, and then hope like crazy that the police don't shoot you when they arrive because you're the guy holding the gun. If you think that sounds like a lot of work with a lot of possible places for things to go wrong, you are correct. But if the alternative is shooting someone, you might want to try it anyway.

There are other reasons to hold your fire if you can. On a sheerly physical level, you really don't want a lake of blood soaking through your living room carpet if you can avoid it -- it's messy, smelly, medically dangerous, and hard to clean up.

If you do decide to shoot, you need to use good tactics.

Get out of sight from the door if you can, preferably off to one side. There really isn't anything in a standard living room that will stop a bullet, but if you've got something that will, get behind that.

Consider crouching low and aiming upwards into the center of the attacker's body, so that if you miss the bullet will be less likely to strike an innocent person behind the person you shot. Or hide high and shoot aiming downwards -- not just so that your bullet will strike the ground rather than a passer-by if you miss, but also because human beings rarely look upward when they are hunting and your attackers are unlikely to see you first if you are higher than they are.

If two people enter and you believe you need to shoot, aim for the bigger threat first -- if one has a gun and the other a knife, shoot the gun holder first unless the knife holder is closer to you and has seen you.

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Actually, though, with all that said. You did not ask about the simplest and most likely effective tactic -- shouting through the door. "GO AWAY!! I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE!! GO AWAY!!" Seems to me, from the description, that the intruders positively did not want to tangle with an occupied dwelling. So let them know you're there and if they run off, that's a win.

pax
 
re taking the gun to a gunsmith for cleaning, it's about the same thing as taking the car to the mechanic when it's out of gas. Sure, the mechanic can put gasoline in your car for you -- but why?
In NJ it is illegal to pump your own gas. Someone has to pump it for you :neener:

Seriously. When my car need's to be cleaned and waxed, I do it myself.

But if there is somthing fouled in the middle of the engine. I take it to someone that know's what they are doing. I can do a lot of thing's, but tearing a car engine apart is unfortunatly not one of them (im 19, give me time :evil: )

So for cleaning, I do it myself. But if it involves removing and replacing little part's and peices that doing one wrong will screw thing's up royaly, I would let a gun smith do it.

Just like i'd let a mechanic tear my car engine apart before I would have a go at it.
 
Happened to me in 1992 in Sacramento, CA. Here's what I did:

Grabbed phone and Sig 220, crouched behind couch with pistol covering door and dialed 911. Shouted to assailant that I was armed and police were coming. When door finally came open I dropped the phone and rose to a weaver stance, yelling at BG to leave the premises. He stood outside the threshold for a minute or two and yelled at me to shoot him. Then he ran off down the street and was arrested at the end of the block.

When the police came to my house they questioned me and confiscated my gun. BG was charged with public intoxication and released the next day (he was a complete stranger, BTW). It took me four months to get my gun back. :banghead:

Now ask me why I live in Idaho.
 
Now ask me why I live in Idaho.
Why do you live in Idaho?

They took your gun and let the guy kicking in your door go! You are MANIAC with GUN you evil criminal bastard! Why should they hold that poor soul who had to be subjected to your evil gun violence!

:banghead: :banghead: :neener:
 
What if it were the police and you didn't hear it? You have a firearm trained at the door and when they bust in they may have guns trained on you? What can be done to make sure that nobody is accidently wounded?
 
As far as my post about a safe room,I failed to mention we have a security system.If the BG continued through the sirens and all,I would have to think ill-intention.I do not like the idea of shooting through a door and would probably not do so myself,but have told wife to do it if I,m not home.I told her gather the kids,lock the door,hit the panic button,shoot anyone that trys to break in.Police should be on the way,911 on the cell.I hope they would have the sence not to try to kick in a safe room door where they know the occupent is armed!!!
 
What if it were the police and you didn't hear it? You have a firearm trained at the door and when they bust in they may have guns trained on you? What can be done to make sure that nobody is accidently wounded?
Police normaly make a good effort to identify themselve's. Identify yourself and demand to see badge's and/or a warrent.
 
When the police came to my house they questioned me and confiscated my gun. BG was charged with public intoxication and released the next day (he was a complete stranger, BTW). It took me four months to get my gun back.

It was not fired; what possible reason did they give you for siezing it and holding it for so long?

BG was released for public intoxications after he kicked in your door? That's breaking and entering. His words and manners to you in this scenario are grounds for assault.

I am interested to hear this story...
 
Lupinus
In Idaho, by state law, if someone *forcibly* enters your house, you have a legal right to use deadly force. It's a good law.
Biker :)
 
All state's should relize that.

If you beak into my home I am going to assume you are a threat and take proper action. You get a warning. ONE warning. You run, fine, run, so long as its away. You make a move twoard's me or one of my family, or make a quick movment to your poket I will shoot you, plain and simple. If you are a cop I would suspect that you are going to say so and slowly reach for your badge if you don't have it showing already.
 
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