What would be a good sniper type rifle?

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Now THAT'S funny!

Good points all. I guess your ideas of long range and mine are completely different. Not only did I NOT think 800 yard shots with less than 1 moa were realistic but still can't get my mind around it.

I was thinking of developing my skills in the 3 to 400 yard range with a rifle that will recoil as much as one that is capable of much more. I'm not looking for a "top of the line" piece right now as my skill set is humble at best.

Though I will thoroughly research all suggestions here, this seems to be the general gist of what I'm looking for, I think:

My opinion: Any good hunting rifle in 7mm or .30 that regularly groups around one-half MOA. (Or can be tweaked to do that.) Me, I'd want a 24" to 26" barrel so I could load to max velocity for the cartridge.
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Especially if I can build one over time, to figure out what works best for me. If I find it's something I like, the top end rifles aren't out of reach. But it seems the difference of a super top of the line and something A LOT more affordable is mostly discernible if someone has the skill to get the max out of a more basic setup. Corrections please, if I'm mistaken.

As for the "Lon Horiuchi" comments. I will indeed google these, though I have no reason to doubt Swampy, and will look elsewhere even if it costs a few bucks more. I won't contribute to ANY company that endorses an individual like that.
 
Whenever I hear someone say they want a "sniper rifle", I get a little uneasy. If you want to hunt, ask for a hunting rifle. If you want to shoot targets, ask for a target rifle. If you want to snipe, well that usually means one thing.
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I was thinking the same thing when I read the heading of the thread.
How about "I am looking for a rifle for long range shooting" leave the whole sniper thing out. Of coarse they could be hunting snipe.
 
until you can reliably shoot tight groups at 300 to 400 meters you won't notice the difference high end components can make :D
mind you when we handed in L42 a 7.62mm rebarreled enfield a great rifle but ours were 30 years old if a day.
and got issued L96 accuracy international aw's scores went through the roof:D.

but confidence comes before a fall take a trained army sniper and go up against
civilian target shooters playing at there sport and you going to go away unhappy.
even worse there 30 years older and using iron sights:cuss:
 
Don't call it a sniper rifle

We enjoyed the term "assault rifle" just long enough for the antis to use it against us. As soon as we start accepting the term "sniper rifle" to describe scoped bolt guns, the antis will be after those as well.

I can see it now... "You don't need a scoped rifle that can shoot 1000 yards accurately to hunt deer. Only the military and the police should be able to have long-range, high-powered sniper rifles."
 
Tikka T3 Varmint in .260 Remington

Or use a savage and get either a 6.5x47 Lapua or .260 Remington barrel.

If you're shooting 600+ chances are your scope will cost as much as, if not more than your rifle.
 
Swampy,
Horuci shot Vicky Weaver while she was holding the baby but did not shoot the baby. Everything else is on the mark. He is a truly disgusting human being.
 
i went cheaper and easy for a entry level benchrest type gun. Because it would be my first bolt action and I was not sure I would enjoy sitting at a bench.

Savage 12fv in .243 - $510
Bushnell 320 5-15x40mm - $275
plus mounts and rings - $50. Total with tax and all that was about 875.

It is not the prettiest thing, but it got me into something I was interested in for a fair price. From what I have been reading it should be able to achieve the results you are looking for. It is just matching the gun to the right loads. Not to mention if I feel like lugging it around I should be able to stop a deer, and not to mention varmint hunter as well.

Seemed like a good buy. Also try used. I hope you reload.

Matt
 
This M21A5/Crazy Horse EBR will qualify after I add the DC sound suppressor, mount a quality optic and install the Magpul CTR with a cheek riser installed.

It should keep M118LR and other high quality ammo in sub MOA groups... I suspect hand loads dedicated to this particular rifle would be make it extremely accurate :evil:

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Buy a Howa barreled action in 7mm Remmy
Buy a decent stock and scope
Buy a really good set of mounts and have them mounted or mount them right.
Use some Hornady 168gr HPBTs at moderate velocity to start. These have a BC of 725 and fly like they have wings. Load a lot, shoot a lot, as you improve you may want to raise the velocity a bit with heavier charges of slower powder. I'd start out with recommended starting loads of 4350 or some similar and for max loads try some H870 (around 79 t0 80 grains) if you can find it. Learn to dope the wind and use a good rangefinder until you can accurately gauge distances. I've got a Howa in a 7mm Rem that holds half inch groups at a hundred yards with anything from 100 grain to 175 grain bullets. At extreme ranges you benefit from the high BC of the recommended bullet and hotter loads by minimizing wind drift and drop as the time of flight is shorter.
 
I guess I've meddled around with the '06 than most other cartridges. And, mostly worked at 100 yards in load development and testing. After I added a 500-yard range here at the house, I found that my pet '06 grouped as well at 500 as at 100. Generally, just inside one MOA.

(Since I'm mostly a hunter, anything inside one MOA is generally quite adequate. Well, except for prairie dogs, and that's half-MOA country. :) )

I sorta figure that if someone is relatively inexperienced, they're better off starting with what I'd call a decent rifle, and then working up, moneywise, into something that is definitely an improvement in precision.

And take up reloading. You can work up loads with slight variations in powder charge and different brands/weights of bullets, and wind up with a very tight-shooting package. Start with basic (even good-used) equipment; the uber-precision stuff can be added later.

Art
 
This would be a good choice too (and it's stainless) after you add on a Badger Ordnance tactical bolt knob for $30 ... I much prefer the B&C stock over the HS Precision one on the Savage.

Remington Model 700 XCR Tactical Long Range Rifle

http://www.impactguns.com/store/047700844619.html

Remington tactical rifles offer the perfect solution for long-range precision shooters. A long-time favorite of both the military and tactical police units, the Model 700 offers the legendary accuracy and unfailing performance you've come to expect. Our Model 700 XCR Long Range Tactical Rifle, features a 40-X externally adjustable trigger and 416 stainless steel barreled action with Black TriNyte® PVD coating, providing a diamond-hard layer of defense against the elements.

Its new tactical Bell & Carlson stock comes in OD green with black webbing and features a full-length aluminum bedding block, tactical beaver-tail fore-end and a recessed thumb-hook feature for optimum "off the bench" shooting performance. The barrel features wide tactical-style barrel fluting for rapid cooling

Model 700™ XCR™ Features

New Tactical Bell & Carlson stock in OD Green w/black webbing
Full-length aluminum bedding block,tactical beavertail fore-end and recessed "thumbhook" behind pistol grip for off-the-bench shooting performance
Black TriNyte® Corrosion Control System over 416 stainless steel for uncompromised strength and corrosion/abrasion resistance
26" varmint-contour 416 stainless steel barreled action with dish-style target crown, drilled and tapped for scope mounts
40-X externally adjustable trigger
Hinged floorplate magazine, Dual front swivel studs and rear stud
Barrel is free-floating with LTR-style fluting

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Why?

If you want a target rifle to hone your shooting skills to the ultimate level punching sub MOA holes out at 1000 yards then ask about a long range target rifle. (National Match AR works)

If you want a hunting rifle that will allow you to make 1000 yard shots that will drop an elk across the valley then ask about a long range big game rifle. (.300 win mag out of one of the new Ruger bolt guns work)

if you want to shoot varmints a quarter mile away then ask about a varmint rifle. (Back to the NM AR)

Sniper rifles are for shooting people and last time I looked shooting people at long range ain't exactly self defense.
 
Maxx I see that I am not the only one who wishes to not have us hung with another evil gun in todays PC world.
Don't take offense when I say that my visual of you is kinda Mall Ninjay and you want a cool looking gun that looks like something Tom Beringer would have with lots of turrets and a black stock with a bipod that shoots like it has magic powers.
Take a few steps back and study some weaponcraft like minor gunsmithing, reloading, wind, trajectory and then put it into practice at first short then intermediate ranges so you will understand the shortfalls and strong points of various equipment and don't think that the search ends with what ever you choose first.
I don't think I'm alone in saying that some of us have literaly spent decades learning the woods and the guns and the pray and to have all those skills put into a question like yours takes me back a bit
This is not to insult those who are truly in the trade as Snipers but more as an act of respect from those of us who are not because what a real military sniper does is art. My 2 cts. on the sniper rifles.
 
Sniper rifles are for shooting people and last time I looked shooting people at long range ain't exactly self defense.
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I don't think I'm alone in saying that some of us have literaly spent decades learning the woods and the guns and the pray and to have all those skills put into a question like yours takes me back a bit
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whoa, just a sec. guys. seems like we're getting hung up more on vernacular and symantecs. If I offended anyone or am casting evil aspersions, please consider it's more because of ignorance of the subject. I am only looking for enlightenment on a topic of which I know next to nothing. "Sniper" seemed to me, to mean longer range, very accurate and not: Hittin the ole shoppin mall to wack some commies who never see it comin'.

I have the utmost respect for anyone who can shoot anything with any accuracy and since I'm new to the sport, I would like to try all aspects I can afford to see what fits best. The brevity of the questions is by no means meant as an insult in any way, shape or form.

Thanks to everyone else for educating me instead of judging. No harm intended.
 
whoa, just a sec. guys. seems like we're getting hung up more on vernacular and symantecs. If I offended anyone or am casting evil aspersions, please consider it's more because of ignorance of the subject. I am only looking for enlightenment on a topic of which I know next to nothing. "Sniper" seemed to me, to mean longer range, very accurate and not: Hittin the ole shoppin mall to wack some commies who never see it comin'.

I have the utmost respect for anyone who can shoot anything with any accuracy and since I'm new to the sport, I would like to try all aspects I can afford to see what fits best. The brevity of the questions is by no means meant as an insult in any way, shape or form.

Thanks to everyone else for educating me instead of judging. No harm intended.
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No harm done, it's just important to remember that it may only be semantics, but semantics are what lost us so-called "assault" rifles in 1994. Calling accurate, scoped rifles "sniper" rifles is just giving the antis ammo.

I personally think that "tactical" is a word we need to be careful of. Companies started calling their semi autos "Assault" rifles because "assault" was a cool word that made the product sound badass. Well the same thing is happening with "tactical".


Expect to see a "tactical weapon ban" attempted in the near future. It's hard to convince people that a Glock is an assault weapon, but it's easy to convince them that any black gun is a "tactical" weapon.
 
Maxx409, don't worry about all the flak .. I knew what you meant from your first post ... hmmm ... what was it you said ... oh yeah ...

What would be a good sniper type rifle?
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... followed by ...

I'm new to the long distance target stuff and don't want to throw my money away on something not up to the task.
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... REALLY confusing stuff!! :rolleyes:

Anyway, you're covered ... just blame it Wikipedia!!

"In military and law enforcement terminology, a sniper rifle is a rifle used to ensure accurate placement of bullets at longer ranges than small arms. A typical sniper rifle is built for optimal levels of accuracy, fitted with a telescopic sight and chambered for a military centerfire cartridge. The term is often used in the media to describe any type of accurized firearm fitted with a telescopic sight that is employed against human targets."

:rolleyes:
 
Wow,, lets get a sniper rifle like on TV,,

Whatever you get,, get rails ,, cause rails looks cool.

:neener: and get some night vision for those late night plink sessions..

Make sure its unloaded,, you will shoot your eye out kid.
 
A sniper rifle is ANY rifle that happens to be in the hands of a "real" sniper...or did you miss the part of that movie where he shot those guys in the shed with that 22lr...all head shots from 100 yards (maybe it was 200...don't remember now)...from a boat no less. Hollywood??? Certainly...but the point is valid.

Now to answer your question...

The cheapest rifle that I know for sure to work (because I have one) is the Remington SPS Tactical...I got mine for $580 off Gunbroker + $600 for a decent scope + $200 for bases (20 MOA) and rings + $225 for a better stock.

Best 100 yard 5 shot group so far is .231 MOA
Best 900 yard group so far is .780 MOA (7.02 inches across widest point)...not bad for a sub $600 rifle.
 
just don't tell a journalist it can fire "neutron anti tank bullets" that go straight through any tank armour and then kill the crew by radation poisioning
because they will print it :uhoh:
because you'd have to be very stupid to do that, is it ok if i stop running its been 20 years:D
 
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