Darkside852003
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I want to get a good precision rifle fully capable of 1/4 sub MOA , for around $1500 dollars. Yet I cant decide what to get, so my question is what would all of you perfer for yourselfs?
What would you get?
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Steve Smith
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Whatcha wanna do with it?
Darkside852003
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Oh the things I could do
long range target shooting 500yards plus
long range target shooting 500yards plus
Steve Smith
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Plan on using a scope? If so, is that included in the $1500 pricetag?
Darkside852003
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no
No that not included in the price but I am planning on using a scope not sure what yet I do like ziess which i have on my steyr now
No that not included in the price but I am planning on using a scope not sure what yet I do like ziess which i have on my steyr now
Redlg155
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1/4" at 100 yards is a pretty tall order. I'd say a good 90 percent of folks can't shoot that well with a major caliber such as a .308.
Anyway..if I had that money I'd go with a stock Remington700 PSS in .308 and see how it shoots with several loads and handloads. You may just save several hundred dollars by having a out of box tackdriver. If not then it goes to Accuracy Systems Inc for one of their barrels. The gurantee 1/2 " at 100 yards. While I'm doing that I'll just go ahead and get McMillan fit an A5 tactical stock to it as well.
$1500 for a rifle alone is a lot of room for mods.
Since I don't have $1500 I'd just go for a Savage with the new trigger system. I've heard nothing but good about them in the accuracy and trigger quality department. Fit a new stock and then spend the rest on glass.
Good Shooting
Red
Anyway..if I had that money I'd go with a stock Remington700 PSS in .308 and see how it shoots with several loads and handloads. You may just save several hundred dollars by having a out of box tackdriver. If not then it goes to Accuracy Systems Inc for one of their barrels. The gurantee 1/2 " at 100 yards. While I'm doing that I'll just go ahead and get McMillan fit an A5 tactical stock to it as well.
$1500 for a rifle alone is a lot of room for mods.
Since I don't have $1500 I'd just go for a Savage with the new trigger system. I've heard nothing but good about them in the accuracy and trigger quality department. Fit a new stock and then spend the rest on glass.
Good Shooting
Red
Dave P
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1/4" at 100 yards is a pretty tall order.
Red is right, 1/4" is hard to do on a regular basis. Unless you do benchrest with a 6 ppc, but I don't think that is what you want.
Dave
Red is right, 1/4" is hard to do on a regular basis. Unless you do benchrest with a 6 ppc, but I don't think that is what you want.
Dave
I was going to recommend the Thompson Encore in .223.
Problem is, the twist is 1:12 which will probably limit you to 55 grains or lighter. That's going to keep you from really reaching out there--the long range shooters generally like the 62 grain and heavier bullets for long-range with the .223.
I suppose you could get an Encore in .260. That should be pretty accurate and will reach out a lot farther than the .223.
Problem is, the twist is 1:12 which will probably limit you to 55 grains or lighter. That's going to keep you from really reaching out there--the long range shooters generally like the 62 grain and heavier bullets for long-range with the .223.
I suppose you could get an Encore in .260. That should be pretty accurate and will reach out a lot farther than the .223.
If my goal were 1/4 minute shooting here's what I would do with $1500:
Invest $1000 in the stock market
Buy a $250 .22 rifle with target aperture sights
Buy $250 worth of .22LR ammo
Shoot it all up in slow-fire, with special care given to developing the ability to call each shot.
By now, the stock is worth probably $2000+
Use that to buy a rifle, scope, rings, sling, reloading press, and components.
YMMV.
Invest $1000 in the stock market
Buy a $250 .22 rifle with target aperture sights
Buy $250 worth of .22LR ammo
Shoot it all up in slow-fire, with special care given to developing the ability to call each shot.
By now, the stock is worth probably $2000+
Use that to buy a rifle, scope, rings, sling, reloading press, and components.
YMMV.
Winchester "Stealth" in 308Winchester or a Remington 700 VS or PSS in 308Winchester...
In the case of the Remingtons, if they don't shoot perfect from the factory have the barrel set back and receiver/barrel trued by a competent gunsmith then rechamber. Gun should shoot very well after that.
For scope, if you are an optics snob take your pic of any one of several very nice scopes out there. If not and you want to save a few bucks, I'm actually fairly impressed with Bushnell's 10x Elite 3200 with mil-dot reticle. For around 200 bucks the money saved will allow you to get some nice rings and and something like a 20MOA base for helping shoot to longer ranges.
I've got the Elite 3200 10x on my 300WinMag, bought it only for load development work on my 300WinMag while I wait to rebuild the rifle and buy a more substantial scope. The little Elite 3200 has held up very well and proven to be a very nice little scope for the money. It's goinna be a scope that I keep for other rifles in the future, maybe even get a second one for the AR15 so the rifle can be used as a spotter's rifle along side the 300WinMag.
A pretty nice rifle could be built by using the above combination of rifle and scope while leaving a bit of left over cash for ammo and some gear.
Figure Rem 700 VS in 308, around 650-750 depending on market in your location. The Bushnell Elite 3200 for right around 200. A set of nice rings and a base for between 80-200 dollars depending on how fancy you go. Then a nice bipod, ammo, and a decent shooting mat/case for another 300.
In the case of the Remingtons, if they don't shoot perfect from the factory have the barrel set back and receiver/barrel trued by a competent gunsmith then rechamber. Gun should shoot very well after that.
For scope, if you are an optics snob take your pic of any one of several very nice scopes out there. If not and you want to save a few bucks, I'm actually fairly impressed with Bushnell's 10x Elite 3200 with mil-dot reticle. For around 200 bucks the money saved will allow you to get some nice rings and and something like a 20MOA base for helping shoot to longer ranges.
I've got the Elite 3200 10x on my 300WinMag, bought it only for load development work on my 300WinMag while I wait to rebuild the rifle and buy a more substantial scope. The little Elite 3200 has held up very well and proven to be a very nice little scope for the money. It's goinna be a scope that I keep for other rifles in the future, maybe even get a second one for the AR15 so the rifle can be used as a spotter's rifle along side the 300WinMag.
A pretty nice rifle could be built by using the above combination of rifle and scope while leaving a bit of left over cash for ammo and some gear.
Figure Rem 700 VS in 308, around 650-750 depending on market in your location. The Bushnell Elite 3200 for right around 200. A set of nice rings and a base for between 80-200 dollars depending on how fancy you go. Then a nice bipod, ammo, and a decent shooting mat/case for another 300.
Black Snowman
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Pick your accurate action of choice. Once you've squeezed all you can out of it, if you're still not doing 1/4 MOA pay for the upgrades. I'm still having trouble with handloads, a bipod, and a rear bag getting my shooting up to the potential of my CZ 550 Varmit Laminated even using the set trigger. So far half MOA is the best I can manage in a three shot group and it starts openning up from there so I know it's all me.
Unless I buy a vice to turn it into a railgun I'm not really going to be sure what the gun is capable off. I'm taking that money and putting it into trigger time so I can find out what I'm capable of 1st.
If you're already confident enough, or rich enough, than an extra .25 MOA is worth an extra $800 to you I don't even know where to start but an Encore rifle with an SSK barrel might be a good start.
Unless I buy a vice to turn it into a railgun I'm not really going to be sure what the gun is capable off. I'm taking that money and putting it into trigger time so I can find out what I'm capable of 1st.
If you're already confident enough, or rich enough, than an extra .25 MOA is worth an extra $800 to you I don't even know where to start but an Encore rifle with an SSK barrel might be a good start.
Paul D
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FN A1 SPR
For about $1300.00 you can get a FN-Herstal A1 SPR: 24' inch barrel, McMillan A3 stock, pre '64 Winchester controlled feed, and .300 WSM which should get you past 500 meters easily. Snipercountrypx.com has them listed in their inventory. Consistent 1/4 inch groups is pretty expensive to obtain (both in practice ammo, time and equipment). I think the SPR can do it regularly at 100 meters but translating that out to 500+ meters...confidence of success markedly drops. It should be fun to find out for you! Good Luck!
For about $1300.00 you can get a FN-Herstal A1 SPR: 24' inch barrel, McMillan A3 stock, pre '64 Winchester controlled feed, and .300 WSM which should get you past 500 meters easily. Snipercountrypx.com has them listed in their inventory. Consistent 1/4 inch groups is pretty expensive to obtain (both in practice ammo, time and equipment). I think the SPR can do it regularly at 100 meters but translating that out to 500+ meters...confidence of success markedly drops. It should be fun to find out for you! Good Luck!
Steve Smith
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Realistically, these guys are right for the most part. I know a few guys who can work on loads until they can make certain barrels really sing (mainly on AR platforms and BR rifles) but that takes a lot more than just a rifle.
As far as punching little groups way out there...think that might get old after the first week?
Aim higher.
As far as punching little groups way out there...think that might get old after the first week?
Aim higher.
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