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Folks, I am watching Fox News. There is a story about a guy shooting a guy breaking in his back door.
Turns out the dead guy was a student, stupid drunk, trying to get into his (he thought) home. He had been trying ti get in for four minutes. Goes to back door and pounds. Breaks the back door window and sticks his hand inside trying to get in. All this time the homeowner and his girlfriend are hollering at the guy trying to get him to stop. Girlfriend is on the phone (Fox played the soundbite). You can hear the hollering and then a shot.

Megyn Kelly (I want to adopt her) is discussing this with Mercedes whats her name and Mercedes says he did not have the right to shoot and should be prosecuted. Mercedes states that an intruder does not come up to the door and try to break in at 9:30pm. What!!!????!!!!

Bad karma for Fox to have a female Fox news analyst speak to something like this. I, normally, do not classify myself as chauvinist but this really stretches it.

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Idiocy is not gender specific. I agree that her statement was incredibly stupid, but the sexist comments are uncalled for.
 
It isn't the sex of the talking head, it's interpretation of facts.
I don't know enough about the event to draw a final conclusion, but just because the guy was drunk, doesn't mean he was not a threat -- it may have made him more of a threat.
One can argue the resident should have tried to convince the drunkard he was in the wrong home, but one can also argue the drunkard was sotted and oblivious to rational explanations. It goes on and on.
Would a reasonable person feel threatened in this event?
From the basic description I'd have to say yes -- especially if a ladyfriend is there.
Might it even be reasonable to speculate the "drunkard" wasn't even drunk -- it was just an act?
Who knows.
The homeowner had good reason to feel threatened. Why Mercedes "what's-her-name doesn't get this is troublesome, but then O'Reilly uses two lady lawyers to interpret legal situations and even supposedly clear cut situations cause disagreements.
Go figure.
 
Here's a guy on Fox who seems to think that it is rediculous that this guy isn't getting charged with a crime. He doesn't flat out say it, but he implies it with his tone. Anyway Fox seems to have their minds made up about this one. Obviously the stupidity is not limited to the fairer sex.

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I live in Colorado Springs, where this took place, and the DA has said that he was within his rights to shoot. The kids blood ac was 3 times the legal limit and he broke the glass out of the back door and was reaching in and undo the bolt, that is when the homeowner fired. Having heard the 911 tape you can hear the fear in the girl friend's voice as she pleads for the cops to get there. Tragic situation, but no charges will be filed against the homeowner.
 
Sexist? You mean adopting Megyn? Oh the humor of it all. Exp, better adjust your signature line.
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The part where you commented on her gender being the problem:
Bad karma for Fox to have a female Fox news analyst speak to something like this. I, normally, do not classify myself as chauvinist but this really stretches it.
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That was the sexist comment.
 
I'm surprised more of these situations haven't happened. A local radio station was talking about people getting drunk or high and walking into the wrong house. One of the people on the show didn't think it happened that often so they told listeners to call if it had ever happened to them. There were 15 to 20 different callers just in the span that I listened who said people they had never seen before walked into their house at night or tried breaking in because they were drunk or stoned or whatever and they thought it was their own house or a friends.
 
It's the public in general that has huge misconceptions about guns and laws. This is a local story, Colorado Springs, and comments are very revealing of how cluesless people are. From saying that the homeowner should have fired warning shots, to saying that the guy breaking in posed no thread and shouldn't have been shot. The liberal agenda is like a cancer that eats the brains what once might be considered intelligent people.
 
That was not sexist. Ever have someone pull up blocking the front door of the grocery store, park, get out and go shopping, and it is pouring down rain? AND, I just hung the handicapped card for the wife.
 
Interesting to note that Colorado requires the intruder to be "inside" your house.
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The intruder's arm was inside the house, a resonable person in fear of their safety does not have to wait until the entire body of the intruder is in the house, as ruled by the DA.
 
Fair and Balanced means that we have to hear from the emotional, incorrect, ignorant, and flat-out stupid sometimes. It still beats hearing from that side all the time.
 
That was not sexist. Ever have someone pull up blocking the front door of the grocery store, park, get out and go shopping, and it is pouring down rain? AND, I just hung the handicapped card for the wife.
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Ummm... what?
 
Fair and Balanced means that we have to hear from the emotional, incorrect, ignorant, and flat-out stupid sometimes. It still beats hearing from that side all the time.
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That's why every shooting story has to have a comment from the Brady Bunch.
 
I smell a lock coming. But expvideo, as politically incorrect as it may be, women do tend to be (demographically speaking) anti-gun. I know that there are many women in the NRA and other pro-gun groups and that there are many women that frequent this and other RKBA forums, but that doesn't change the fact that women in general tend to be either afraid, uninterested, or flat out against guns. There are many organizations that are headed by women and for women that make it their goal to outlaw or decrease the # of gun owners out there. Ever heard of Million Mom March? Again, your point is well taken, idiocy doesn't discriminate between gender, but the fact remains that historically and demographically, women(in general) tend to not associate with firearms. That's why there is a huge push by the NRA and other RKBA groups to start reaching out to this demographic. It's not sexist to simply accept this fact.
 
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Before we upgraded the security in my building, we had a few drunks wander in at night and pound on doors looking for people. One of them one night was pounding on my door and yelling at me. But I knew what was going on. I didn't call the cops, and I certainly didn't open fire. I went around to another entrance to my apartment, which happened to be directly behind him, quietly opened the door so he could see me standing there with a Monadnock in my hands and a .44 on my hip, and said, "I SAID, you're in the wrong building." Drunk or not, he got out of there fast. No need to blow his balls off.

Maybe in CO those folks were justified, and maybe they'd even be justified around here, legally. But what they did was so unnecessary it is unconscionable. When I was a young student, I got drunk and wandered into places myself. Being BLOWN AWAY for that without having attacked anyone would have struck me as ridiculous and unfair when I woke up.
 
This intruder wasn't a student. He was 22 year old golf pro. His BAC was .26and he drove himself to the wrong house. I wouldn't limit it to just calling the homeowner's actions unconscionable. He woke up to a man, out of his mind breaking into his house though a back door of a fenced in back yard. Not just pounding on the door, but breaking through the window. Its easy to pass judgements after the fact with all the facts.
 
But what they did was so unnecessary it is unconscionable. When I was a young student, I got drunk and wandered into places myself. Being BLOWN AWAY for that without having attacked anyone would have struck me as ridiculous and unfair when I woke up.
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How was he supposed to know the guy was drunk?? Was he supposed to administer a breathalizer?? They called the police and the guy wouldn't have been shot had he not broken the window in an attempt to get inside. Don't know about you, but if I warn somebody not to come into my house while they are pounding on my door, the moment they breach my doorway, I will open fire. I'm not going to be waiting on the other side with a breathalizer and some aspirin expecting it to be some drunk.
 
Oh, I'm not saying that if my door flew in and a guy charged me that I wouldn't immediately drop him (unless he was wearing a police or fire uniform, in which case I'd order him to halt and identify before I shot him).

But breaking the window and trying to unlatch the door isn't an immediate threat, if you have a loaded gun aimed at the doorway and the police are on their way. Even if the guy managed to unlock the door and stagger in, drunkenly, I'd order him repeatedly to halt and get on the floor, and back up a little bit to let him realize he was in the wrong building. Only if he approached me in a threatening manner and refused to halt would I shoot him. At THAT point, I'd empty the gun into him.
 
Guy breaking window and attempting to unlock door through said broken window is more than enough for me to consider the guy a deadly threat. If I waited for him to unlock the door before opening fire, it'd be because I don't want bullet holes in my door.
 
But breaking the window and trying to unlatch the door isn't an immediate threat, if you have a loaded gun aimed at the doorway and the police are on their way. Even if the guy managed to unlock the door and stagger in, drunkenly, I'd order him repeatedly to halt and get on the floor, and back up a little bit to let him realize he was in the wrong building. Only if he approached me in a threatening manner and refused to halt would I shoot him. At THAT point, I'd empty the gun into him.
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Monday morning quarter back all you want, but you don't know if they guy has other friends with him, if he's pretending to be drunk, is on hard drugs, has weapon etc. You also don't know that they guy breaking in was not a threat. I find it noble that you wouldn't want to hurt someone breaking into your house, but the homeowner acted within the law.
 
what irritated me was they where calling it the "Make my day law"
I thought it was called the Castle defense
 
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