What's it like to have a CCW in NYC or Chicago?

[Hugo]

I'm looking for peoples experiences on having a CCW in traditionally "gun rights hostile" places like New York City, Los Angeles or Chicago. I realized this will limit this to people who are or were "connected" politically, had a good friends in the police, celebrities, cash heavy business owners, really lucky people, etc....

I realize it's very rare for someone to have a permit in these places but some people must have them and I'm sure they have some stories they would like to tell. If nothing else to point out how stupid the "Feel good, do nothing" laws are making things less safe for the average citizen.

For Example
Armed security (bodyguards, armored car guards/drivers, etc..)
Business owners (Bar and nightclub owners, jewelry store, liqour store)
That lucky person who slipped past the BS and got a permit.

If you have or had a friend who did that would be good as well.
Recent stories or from decades past are ok. Also curious on what it involved to get a permit, any remarks or comments you heard from police or people you met who knew you carried. Just looking for "what it was/is like" to be able to do something very rare in a large city.

NO DISCUSSING "It's Not fair", yadda yadda yadda.
You're right, it isn't fair that it's not "Shall issue" in Illinois and New York and California but things are slowly changing. Everyone here knows this. The 2nd amendment will come back to New York, Illinois and California some day.
One step at a time and keep this on topic.

 

[Rail Driver]

I don't know much about places like that, though I do have a friend that lives in California and he's told me a few times that even though he carried here in Florida, it's too expensive and time consuming to get a permit out there.

I'd imagine that in places like those, it's very lonely being a CWL carrier.

 

[mg.mikael]

What's it like to have a CCW in Chicago?

You can't have one if your a normal law-abiding citizen, it's as simple as that.
Only city alderman can get CCW, as well as some judges, and I know in years past people deputized could carry(but this was a few decades ago.) Either way the only people that can legally carry are politically tainted. Then their's everyone that disregards the laws such as criminals, they can carry but thats because they don't follow the law to begin with.

 

[Ringolevio]

Not every outlaw is a criminal...

Hmmm...'Too bad you didn't ask for stories from folks who have CC'd in NYC without the appropriate paperwork; that, I could probably have helped you with.

"There are eight million stories in The Naked City..."

 

[hnk45acp]

I carry in my business, it's fine, no one knows (concealed means concealed etc.). Only issue is when I people greet me and give me a hug I try to angle my body away so there's little or no contact. I've never had to pull it, I once came very close with an extremely upset, drunk and violent person but was able to talk him down. Never been held up so knock on wood.

I also know many retired NYPD/court officers that carry and are usually fine, no hassles.

 

[Hugo]

I'm looking for the more rare experiences of getting a CCW, how much paperwork it takes, and carrying concealed on the street. Not just in your home or business, thats much more common. Also people in the armed security business like Bodyguards, armored car guards, etc.

Countries other than the USA would be good too. The more details the better, with names/places changed to protect privacy.

 

[hnk45acp]

The process is pretty much the same to get a carry as it is to get the business, however to get the carry you need to show tax returns and deposit histories to get it and then it may be limited to certain days and/or times. I have a buddy who has a full carry, he's a landlord with multiple buildings and carries when collecting rent and I know a few club owners who have limited carry for bank deposits.

 

[NYH1]

I have a carry permit in New Yorkistan but my permit is no good in NYC. So I just don't go there!

 

[Warp]

NYC or Chicago?

Carry permit?

Nobody knows.

 

[Twiki357]

In Los Angeles, forget about it. About 10+ years ago a reporter obtained some info on carry permits. If memory serves me, it was something like 230 permits issued in the prior 30 or 40 years. Permits are discretionary issues by local/county agencies.

 

[ShawnC]

Check this blog out. It's about just buying a gun in DC. CCW is an absolute no no.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...-gets-her-gun/

 

[Hk Paul]

Can a sworn member of law enforcement from somewhere else carry in L.A., NYC, Chicago, ect.? It would make sense to me that they have a sort of national reciprocity, but I can also see even them aced out on this one.

 

[JERRY]

Can a sworn member of law enforcement from somewhere else carry in L.A., NYC, Chicago, ect.? It would make sense to me that they have a sort of national reciprocity, but I can also see even them aced out on this one.

yes, a certified active police officer from any US jurisdiction can carry in any state as well as certified retired cops. see HR218 the LEOSA.

 

[Hugo]

I realize it's a huge hassle or nearly impossible to get a CCL in some states or cities but some people do have them.

This thread is looking for people who get those "1 of 250" permits in very discriminatory areas like NYC, from local or state police. Some are probably arrogant but some must be ok.

I imagine it must feel a bit strange and a bit of "Hooray I beat the crooked/incompetent jerks this time!" feeling by being that rare person who can concealed carry a pistol in "gun rights hostile territory".

Or open carry if a Amored car guard, etc.. I'm sure they get sick of sheeple seeing them and hearing "Gasp! Oh my!" while the guard thinks "Yeesh it's just a pistol in a holster. I'm not carrying a freaking belt-fed machine gun with belts of ammo over my shoulders you wuss. It's just a gun, not a uncontrollable death-ray." The overreactions or fools trying to provoke them must get old after the first day.

I'm sure there must be a bodyguard, private investigator, or Armored car guard on this forum somewhere wanting to discuss this so please tell your story. Looking for anecdotes and stories.

See beginning post. Please...
DON'T COMPLAIN CCL ISN'T NATIONWIDE YET.
Not a discussion for this thread. ONE STEP AT A TIME.

 

[mg.mikael]

This thread is looking for people who get those "1 of 250" permits in very discriminatory areas like NYC,

Those aren't the type of people that would visit this forum or even support the gun rights of others. Those folks are the privileged few who got their CCW through wealth, politics, or borderline illicit means.

 

[Hugo]

Yes that's true but I'm also hoping someone who works or has worked as a bodyguard, armored car guard, private investigator, etc... Surely some honest people have gotten permits. Maybe 10% but they exist.

 

[bergmen]

I don't know much about places like that, though I do have a friend that lives in California and he's told me a few times that even though he carried here in Florida, it's too expensive and time consuming to get a permit out there.

I'd imagine that in places like those, it's very lonely being a CWL carrier.

This is O.T. but it depends on the California county. We live in Mendocino County which is "shall issue". My wife and I have both had our permits for about 10 years.

Dan

 

[gym]

I have written several posts about my experiences in the 22-23 years of having a license in NYC. I just answered this for somone last week, it's a lot of work to get it. You had to fit in the slot, be able in 1972, to prove you carried $5000.00 per day minimum in cash, letters from you bank manager atesting to this with deposit slips, letters from my accountant, attorney, half a dozen people who "would be interviewed" 3 or more appearences going forward, written test, some type of training, like a NRA training class,a final interview, and a lot of patience. I heard now it's 50 grand a day in cash. I also had to show that I took money home overnight, otherwise they could say , just make 3 or 4 daily deposits. To long to get into why my business was all cash and closed out sometimes 8-9 PM. I had to do bookeeping and commisions at home many nights. Mine was based on the fact that I owned a cash business and needed a gun to safegaurd myself when leaving responding to alarms, "often", sometimes alone, if the boys were having a busy evening.But when you sell or close the business, the carry goes bye bye. I waited to close out my books when I was leaving for FL. Until then the business was open, and is till this day, 2 owners later.But I doubt the second one got a license, the guy I sold to did, because he had a few other cash businesses. Plus his wife was the daughter of the Ronzoni family, yea the spagetti.
Plus it was not limited nor called concealed, it was a NYC carry permit. I could take my jacket off while seated in a restaurant, with my gun in a holster and eat my meal, get up put my jacket or coat on and leave, which I did all the time, I also wore my pistol and my revolver, They gave me a second gun after about 8 years, in my store. "not great with clients" but legal, which I did when closing out from my interior safe to my bank deposit bag. If it was late, I wouldn't go to the bank, I would go home, indoor attended garage, better than nothing.I was never stopped for carrying an exposed weapon, it was not a ccw, it was a permit to Carry. No Concealed weapons permits when I left in 1994, there were premisis and target, but that was it. Premisis was only good for that place of business during the hours you worked, like a gaurd.But the ticket was a Carry, non restricted.

 

[Alec]

I would imagine its overall effectiveness as a deterrent is greatly diminished by the fact that a criminal would likely assume one is unarmed.

IMO, that's a big element of CC preventing violent crime (the possibility of an intended victim fighting back with an effective weapon).

 

[Ringolevio]

Hugo:

[...] Or open carry if a Amored car guard, etc.. I'm sure they get sick of sheeple seeing them and hearing "Gasp! Oh my!" while the guard thinks "Yeesh it's just a pistol in a holster. I'm not carrying a freaking belt-fed machine gun with belts of ammo over my shoulders you wuss. It's just a gun, not a uncontrollable death-ray." The overreactions or fools trying to provoke them must get old after the first day.

Aha, but for the armored car guard, it's not "just a pistol in a holster". Quite often, SOP for guards moving cash on and off the truck and in and out of banks/businesses is to have the gun unholstered and in hand, pointed down.

 

[Nuclear]

In Chicago any elected official can carry concealed (mayor, aldermen, judge, dog catcher if it is an elected position). Ditto for law enforcement of any kind (arson inspector, for example). Other than that, no one gets a concealed carry permit in Chicago. Not even the mayor's buddies. Cops and the judicial system may look the other way for those with influence, but the law is clear. [Disclaimer, it has been 7 years since I lived in Illinois, and the above info is from a former LEO trainer I used to know].

 

[gadinort]

In my experience, the only people carrying in NYC are off-duty or retired law enforcement. I've yet to meet an "average joe" that had a permit.

 

[gym]

Well I still have a couple in my safe that I saved for old times sake, and half the storekeepers on my block in queens had carry permits, so you sir are mis informed.If you question my word then let's both put up a thousand dollars and have one of the mods hold it, I would give 20% to THR as a donation, either put up, or shut up.I just pulled one out dated exp 04/30/88. Pistol License type- Carry, Wow I was 160lbs back then. Control # 043413 License authorized to carry the following firearms make-Wal- serial noxxxx cal 380 type-A, 2- S&W 38 -R.serial #xxxxxx care to play.You cann still get a license if you qualify, do you carry 50,000 in cash, that's the number now, per day. We also had in FL an ATM business, if I would have had that in NY I could get one again, as we carried $300,00 per day, private coampany, My ex partner in the gym business has over 500 atm's in FL. No uniforms no special permits, just a ccw down here,I filled and repaired 35-40 machines per day, in NY that would have beat the 50 grand minimum. You have to work for anything, if you really want it. I was down at 1PP 20 times overthe years, ,changing guns any little thing. They were ballbusters, and it took a year untill the investigation was finished. Final interview was wit 2 seargents,they asked half a dozen questions and that was it, "we will let you know, buy then you knew if you made the 3d interview, you made it, got it 3 days after. But it was almost a full time job getting the paperwork they asked for. You accountand and attorney andbank, all have to be on your side. My half dozen police buddies didn't hurt either.They know someone all the time that can help if you are a right guy by them.

 

[Alec]

Gym, who are you challenging? If it's gadinort, I hardly find the people depicted in your post to meet the typical definition of "average joe".

 

[JERRY]

they arent. he was connected in a sence, police buddies who knew somebody as he said.......carried A LOT of cash around......his lawyer, his accountant......not the average Joe at all.