what's the best fullsize gun to carry

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I can acquire sight picture and sight alignment faster using Glock goal post sights than other sight configurations but strongly dislike their grip angle and trigger
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That's confusing to me. I always thought the better the ergonomics the faster the sight aquisition?
My Answer: Visually speaking I acquire sight picture and sight alignment faster using the goal post style sights. That has nothing to do with ergonomics it has everything to do with how my eyes focus.
 
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My Answer: Visually speaking I acquire sight picture and sight alignment faster using the goal post style sights. That has nothing to do with ergonomics it has everything to do with how my eyes focus.
Then it begs the question: how fast, exactly, are you talking?
 
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$1200 range well my Automag cost me that when I bought it. A second choice is a S&W 629 or even 624. Yes they are heavy but men can carry some weight in a quality holster and with a quality heavy gun you have control.
 
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the "new" HK45 (not the H&K .45 USP) given the fact that it's been so thoroughly torture tested for military use.
-Is it the cost or other issues?
The #1 feature in a "carry" sidearm is reliability. Has anyone had problems with this sidearm?
 
Glock 34, CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, HK USP .45 Tactical, Glock 21 SF, Ruger Redhawk .44mag, S&W 629 .44mag, Colt Anaconda, Beretta 92FS
 
Obviously in shorts and tee shirt season, (especially shorts without a belt) a big heavy gun is tough to cover and hold up.

Add a regular short sleeve shirt, maybe unbuttoned over the tee for social activities and my full sized 75B goes unnoticed even by my wife.

I promise you that if you try to hold up anything of any weight or size with a cheap and flimsy belt, you will be buying holsters constantly.

Do yourself a huge favor and buy a real gun belt, like what Jim The Beltman crafts in NC.
 
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I said:
Ankeny Asked:
My Answer: Visually speaking I acquire sight picture and sight alignment faster using the goal post style sights. That has nothing to do with ergonomics it has everything to do with how my eyes focus.

Then it begs the question: how fast, exactly, are you talking?
Less than 1/2 of a second, more than a 1/4th a second on average, depending on lighting. Why does it beg the question? Checking to see if I actually knew the answer or are we going to go down the "well then buy a Glock" road? Cause #2 ain't gonna happen. Every pistol has tradeoffs, I'll deal with a compromise in sight acquisition and retain the other features I prefer that Glock doesn't offer. I am already planning to see what my Ophthalmologist can do to help me next time I go in.
 
Less than 1/2 of a second, more than a 1/4th a second on average, depending on lighting. Why does it beg the question? Checking to see if I actually knew the answer or are we going to go down the "well then buy a Glock" road? Cause #2 ain't gonna happen. Every pistol has tradeoffs, I'll deal with a compromise in sight acquisition and retain the other features I prefer that Glock doesn't offer. I am already planning to see what my Ophthalmologist can do to help me next time I go in.
I'll answer the second part first: I don't care if you buy a Glock or not. Don't know how you even thought I was implying you should. If you think a certain sight picture helps you see the sights faster, then you can put a pair of similar sights on nearly any gun.

I was asking to see if you knew how fast, exactly you were shooting. You do not. You said: "Less than a half second, more than 1/4 second," but that answer is not very precise, nor is the shooting very fast. (less than 1/4 second is approaching "fast")

Ankeny (former Grandmaster) knows that proper ergonomics are very beneficial when it comes to shooting fast accurately. But you totally dismiss ergos and state that it only has to do with how you can focus on the sights. Subconsciously you're fighting the ergos of the Glock, which takes time, but you still think you're shooting fast.

What gun(s) do you think fit you, yet shoot slower?

If you can duplicate the Glock sight picture (or find something better) on a gun that has good ergonomics for you, then you'll get those splits well under 1/4 second. Why in the world would you willingly compromise on speed of sight acquisition??

If all I had to do to cut my split time in 1/2 was to change sights, I'd do it yesterday!
 
I would suggest the one that fits you best and you shoot the straightest with the most confidence. It may take years to figure it out and may get expensive!
If your wife loves you as much as mine does, she won't divorce you before you find the right one. :D My go to handgun is a no frills, Colt/Talo O1970A1MA. I was 40 years old when I bought it. Many full size handguns of various calibers and styles, came before and several have come after. This is the only pistol I own that my son will not get until I die.
 
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David said:
I was asking to see if you knew how fast, exactly you were shooting. You do not. You said: "Less than a half second, more than 1/4 second," but that answer is not very precise, nor is the shooting very fast. (less than 1/4 second is approaching "fast")
Actually I do know. Al Thompson (moderator here) was the first person to time me, ask him. I have repeated the test on at least two other occasions. Also, please go back and read where I said "on average" which means it varies from session to session, therefore on average is an accurate answer. I disagree with your opinion and believe I can get my "issue" worked out with vision correction not gun replacement.
 
David said:Actually I do know. Al Thompson (moderator here) was the first person to time me, ask him. I have repeated the test on at least two other occasions. Also, please go back and read where I said "on average" which means it varies from session to session, therefore on average is an accurate answer. I disagree with your opinion and believe I can get my "issue" worked out with vision correction not gun replacement.
Ok, "less than 1/2 second, more than 1/4 second," right?

Let's assign an average of .37 split time (time between shots)

That is not fast, which means your technique isn't optimal.

Disagree with my "opinion" if you wish. (It's not "opinion," it is observed experience. Mine and countless others)

Hopefully, you'll keep at it and eventually the light bulb I'm trying to turn on will illuminate for you.
 
Ok, "less than 1/2 second, more than 1/4 second," right?

Let's assign an average of .37 split time (time between shots)

That is not fast, which means your technique isn't optimal.

Disagree with my "opinion" if you wish. (It's not "opinion," it is observed experience. Mine and countless others)

Hopefully, you'll keep at it and eventually the light bulb I'm trying to turn on will illuminate for you.
Wow, this one should have ended a long time ago. Unless we can find goal post type sights for my prefered carry gun and run side by side times with one pistol set up with three dots and the other set up with goal post sights, then repeat that test with a one Glock set up with goal post sights and the other set up with three dots similar to my carry gun and compare all of the results then we will never truly know the difference. And if in the end the Glock turned out to be faster, and I doubt it would, but I prefered all of the other features of my current pistol then it still wouldn't make a difference to me. I'm comfortable with my current speed. That's a light bulb moment too. I guess I'll just go on hoping I dont' run up against a former competition shooter turned bad guy that I can't avoid, evade or de-escalate.
 
That's like asking, what's the best car to drive.
Easy to answer question chauffeur driven Rolls-Royce/Bentley would be the way to go. Full size pistols for carry are best left to law enforcement, military and personal body guards.....so blue collar!
 
Wow, this one should have ended a long time ago. Unless we can find goal post type sights for my prefered carry gun and run side by side times with one pistol set up with three dots and the other set up with goal post sights, then repeat that test with a one Glock set up with goal post sights and the other set up with three dots similar to my carry gun and compare all of the results then we will never truly know the difference. And if in the end the Glock turned out to be faster, and I doubt it would, but I prefered all of the other features of my current pistol then it still wouldn't make a difference to me. I'm comfortable with my current speed. That's a light bulb moment too. I guess I'll just go on hoping I dont' run up against a former competition shooter turned bad guy that I can't avoid, evade or de-escalate.
You're totally missing my point.

YOU said you shot a Glock faster simply because of the "goal post sights." This is significant because you do not like the Glock, it doesn't fit you, whatever your reasons are. Bottom line is that you prefer other gun(s), presumably because of better ergonomics, features, etc.

Yet....by your own assessment, you shoot Glocks faster, despite not liking them, strictly due to the sight picture.

Soooooo, why not find sights for your preferred gun that give a similar Glock sight picture? Get the sight picture you like put on the gun you like. Why wouldn't you do that?

Seems like an obvious thing to do.
 
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I would say G21 plus Samopal 58 with folding stock would make very good response to catastrophic incident combo.
 
I usually carry a 5" 1911 or Combat Commander (Novak sights, Brown tactical thumb safety, 4lb trigger, blah blah blah) in an IWB holster. With the right belt and holster both pistols are easy to conceal. More often than not with a 3913 or LC9 as backup.

In the past I have carried (and occasionally still carry):
Beretta 92FS (a hockey stick is probably easier to conceal)
Beretta PX4 Storm (very nice polymer pistol - amazing accuracy)
Glock 21 - nice chunk of weight when fully loaded and you add a spare mag but entirely do-able in a good IWB holster...I may have to try a Glock 41 at some point just to take hockey stick status away from the 92FS).
Glock 23 - Easy to conceal under any type of coat or jacket. I don't really care for it in an IWB. It is as small as my hands will let me go with Glocks as their subcompacts just feel way too funky to me.
CZ 75 - great pistol all around. Maybe a little heavy to some but that pays off in double tap (or quadruple tap if you are so inclined) times.
Para Ordnance P14 or P16 - both very customized (talk about some weight on the belt when fully loaded and you add a spare mag or two...)

During the insanely hot and humid southern summer months: 1911, Combat Commander, Glock 23, S&W 3913, Ruger LC9. Out of those, the Glock 23 gives me the most trouble due to its thickness or balance when trying to conceal it...maybe it is a combination of the two. Thin is always relatively easy to conceal even if it is thin and heavy.

Occasionally, just a 1911, LC9 or 3913 with a couple spare mags - and an M4 profile AR in the trunk.
 
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