what's the best fullsize gun to carry

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Well, since we're going to give specific recommendations instead of advice on choosing his own, here's mine: fullsize 1911 with two reloads on opposite side, along with a couple knives (at least one fixed blade) and a flashlight.

That's my "compromise" EDC. What would I like to carry? Something crew served, but I'd get funny looks when I go to walmart.
 
Zastava M92 O PAP, single point sling mount by Echo-93, Night Brake by Manticore, and go to town. Ammo is cheaper than .45 right now, and 30 rd mags are just around $20.
 
The gun you train with properly and most often is the one you should carry.
 
The problem with that is in Fl where I reside now. It's too hot to carry the guns normally would choose. I have carried dozens of guns in 40+ years of carrying, I just really wanted to see what other people would suggest, in order to possibly come up with a solution I haven't thought of.
At the present I carry 2 most times, but they are both small, a PM9 and an XDS. One in a pocket and one in a Fanny. Since they are both lightweight they offset each other, but I always look for a better solution, just haven't found one. Been thinking about a Sig 238 again but the weight comes to bear on anything with more than 6 or 7 rounds. Bullets are what are heavy, not so much guns, you throw 20 rounds in that CZp09 and it suddenly becomes a barbell. One solution is "liberty ammo" the 50 grain bullet that travels at 2000fps. I put them in my Kahr and it now weighs half of what it did, "or at least feels that way". I would like to load them in all my 9's if had more statistics on ballistics with them.
The CX 07 and 09 are lightweight but neither are small enough for the weather, it looks like nothing is actually better than what I already have, just a waste of money.
Maybe a titanium revolver again, or the 238 SIG. thanks for those who actually came up with possibility's, sometimes you miss one. It's really more to do with practicality than choice down here. Try hiding a 1911 in a pair of shorts and a tee shirt.
 
The problem with that is in Fl where I reside now. It's too hot to carry the guns normally would choose. I have carried dozens of guns in 40+ years of carrying, I just really wanted to see what other people would suggest, in order to possibly come up with a solution I haven't thought of.
At the present I carry 2 most times, but they are both small, a PM9 and an XDS. One in a pocket and one in a Fanny. Since they are both lightweight they offset each other, but I always look for a better solution, just haven't found one. Been thinking about a Sig 238 again but the weight comes to bear on anything with more than 6 or 7 rounds. Bullets are what are heavy, not so much guns, you throw 20 rounds in that CZp09 and it suddenly becomes a barbell. One solution is "liberty ammo" the 50 grain bullet that travels at 2000fps. I put them in my Kahr and it now weighs half of what it did, "or at least feels that way". I would like to load them in all my 9's if had more statistics on ballistics with them.
The CX 07 and 09 are lightweight but neither are small enough for the weather, it looks like nothing is actually better than what I already have, just a waste of money.
Maybe a titanium revolver again, or the 238 SIG. thanks for those who actually came up with possibility's, sometimes you miss one. It's really more to do with practicality than choice down here. Try hiding a 1911 in a pair of shorts and a tee shirt.
The p09 suddenly becomes a barbell, lol. That's funny but true. I just got the image in my head of a guy with two fully loaded p09 duty pistols doing alternating bicep curls
 
For my money, a full-size new handgun would be a CZ 75B. My personal favorite in the 75 family, though, is the CZ 75 Compact.

I usually pocket-carry and my all-around favorite for that purpose - old or new, though - would be a tie between my CZ vz.70 and my CZ vz.82 (the vz.82 when I'm wearing cargo pants or shorts).
 
I have always wondered why people are so concerned about high capacity on a carry gun (outside of military or law enforcement use). According to most (if not all) statistics the average self defense gun fight is less than 5 rounds. I am not opposed to high-capacity pistols by any means as I own Glocks, Berettas, Paras, etc. which are double stack high caps but I also don't really expect to run into any situation where is it me vs. 10-20 bad guys on a trip to Kroger or the bank.
 
MDi it's not 10 guys, it's the fact that you will mis 30-50 % of your shots when in a gunfight, plus it takes between 3 to 4 rounds per bad guy, to stop them unless you pull off head shots on moving targets. the math will prove the need for 10 or more rounds.
It's not like they are going to stand still and not shoot back at you while running.
 
If I was going to carry a full size pistol, it would be my S&W 4506. This was my duty pistol, once to the range after issue (50 round course of fire). When we retire we get our duty gun. So the Sheriff's Office gave me this almost new one.
 
MDi it's not 10 guys, it's the fact that you will mis 30-50 % of your shots when in a gunfight, plus it takes between 3 to 4 rounds per bad guy, to stop them unless you pull off head shots on moving targets. the math will prove the need for 10 or more rounds.

It's not like they are going to stand still and not shoot back at you while running.


I don't miss. Not with a tuned 1911 anyway, moving target or not. :)

Apparently, most involved in gunfights do not miss much either - see the above statistic - 5 rounds or less.
 
"Compact"

My all time favorite carry guns are the 4" barrel semi-autos that are between 4.5 and 5.3 inches in height. They tend to have:

  • 10 to 15 round capacity
  • Just enough grip to get your full hand on, but no extra to print
  • Good barrel length for accurate shots
  • Conceals well with most wardrobes
  • Good selection of guns
  • Most important: tend to be more reliable than the "skinny" guns

And here are the ones I've tried and liked:
  • CZ75 P-01 (or other 75 compacts)
  • Walther P99AS
  • Glock 19
  • Glock 30S
 
"but I also don't really expect to run into any situation where is it me vs. 10-20 bad guys on a trip to Kroger or the bank."
If I were to find myself in a situation like that:eek:I'd be longing for one of my Toks with surplus steel core ammo. 8 rnds prolly might be nuff', dependin' on how ya line em up.:D
 
"but I also don't really expect to run into any situation where is it me vs. 10-20 bad guys on a trip to Kroger or the bank."

If I were to find myself in a situation like that:eek:I'd be longing for one of my Toks with surplus steel core ammo. 8 rnds prolly might be nuff', dependin' on how ya line em up.:D


I was thinking M4 or AKM for that situation as I usually have one or the other in the trunk - sometimes both.
 
I like a 1911A1 for that job. But the Glock 30 also works well also. Lately I have been useing a S&W., SD9VE. It is accurate &reliable & holds 18 rd.s of 9×19mm. I put nite sights on my carry guns. But only you can pick what's best for you! Good luck!
 
MDi it's not 10 guys, it's the fact that you will mis 30-50 % of your shots when in a gunfight...


I have given this some thought and I have to ask where you get those percentages. If you are hitting with only 30-50% of your shots under stress that is quite simply an issue with very poor training and lack of range/trigger time. PD in my area (granted, it is one of the patron states of shootin' stuff) has managed significantly higher -- in fact, almost all have managed hit rates under stress of over 90% and they average less than half my weekly training time. Talk nonsense on forums less and train more would be my suggestion for anyone who can only manage to hit 30%-50% of the time under stress.
 
That was taken from a statistical chart of actual gunfights, I will try to find it again, when I have some time. But it does seen realistic when people are shooting at you. When you read about shootings in the paper usually there are 10 fired for everyone that hits.
I shot combat with the FBI and Police, and have a much better than average when it comes to scoring points on targets, but people are a whole different deal, especially if you are trying to avoid being shot in the meantime.
They didn't have forums 44 years ago when I was shooting competition, they didn't have computers either.
Even training under realistic conditions are not realistic, if you know you aren't going to catch a round someware on your person, perhaps those who have been in actual gunfights would have a better perspective on the reality of this. I have been shot at, so I do have a realistic idea of what happens.
Out past 50 feet, I would not want two guys with hi capacity 9mm,handgus, shooting at me if all I had was a 5 shot revolver, "which I carried for 21 years". It was a different world back then. It's not like you are going to have time to set up a shot, they will be on the fly with a barrage of rounds coming back at you. The smart thing to do is get to cover ASAP while you still have rounds left. A 5 shot revolver is great if you are going up against 1 guy, but not 2 or more. All of your shots would have to be perfect which is not what really happens in a gunfight.
I didn't just start this shooting thing, been shooting all my life and have plenty of awards from competitions, but target and street shootings are not the same thing.
Quote:The PMA study also shows that the hit ratio per encounter was closer to 62 percent instead of the often-reported 18 percent. The history of gun fighting for more than a century has shown that the person that lands the first solid hit will usually win the confrontation. Hitting is hard to do without preparation and relying on luck is an invitation to disaster.

Read more: http://www.handgunsmag.com/2010/09/24/tactics_training_what_happens_gunfight/#ixzz2xPrmRZPv
Let's say it's the maximum in this case, that still means that only 6 out of 10 rounds hit the target. Cut that in half for a 5 shot gun, and you have 3 or 2 in the case of a 5 shot revolver, not very good odds.
http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf
Here is another , 15 rounds fired, 3 were buckshot by Police, with 1 hit as the outcome.
This is more the outcome of forum nonsense, the idea that everyone who took a little training can hold their own in a real gunfight, it's self indulgent, and hopefully most will never have to find out. But this idea that the "new wave of internet shooters actually think that this is something that is easily accomplished", is truly disheartening, and could prove harmful.
The hit probabilitys in that chart show 9-19 percent hits, in Police documented gunfights.
 
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Something with plastic frame with 12 cartridge or more capacity. Usual suspects are: Heckler & Koch, Walther, Glock, S&W, CZ, Ruger, Springfield XD, Steyr,...... There are just two types striker fired or hammer fired and perhaps something in rotating barrel category I can't think of right now. I would be satisfied with any of them and do not have favorite.
 
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