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Someone did. We blew them up back. RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
What's the commotion about North Korea?
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Someone did. We blew them up back. RE: Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Art Eatman
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Nick, under Kim's father, North Korea invaded a peaceful neighbor. The US invasions have involved known threats to either the U.S., or involved situations like Afghanistan (Taliban government sponsored Al Qaida and its 9/11 effort) and Iraq (Thugocracy known to have committed genocide against its own people.)
The Russian invasion of Afghanistan was part of an ongoing effort to acquire a warm-water ocean access. That's part of why Russia makes nice with Iran. Kipling wrote of the effort in his book "Kim"--over one hundred years ago.
Bikini H-Bomb tests? The very few residents were well-compensated for their removal, which left an uninhabited tiny speck of an atoll in the middle of the Pacific's "nowhere". And the whole world--me included--watched it, if they had TV...
IMO, you're aware of many historical facts, but you don't know the background or the "why" of many of them--and you're therefore "jumping to confusions".
, Art
The Russian invasion of Afghanistan was part of an ongoing effort to acquire a warm-water ocean access. That's part of why Russia makes nice with Iran. Kipling wrote of the effort in his book "Kim"--over one hundred years ago.
Bikini H-Bomb tests? The very few residents were well-compensated for their removal, which left an uninhabited tiny speck of an atoll in the middle of the Pacific's "nowhere". And the whole world--me included--watched it, if they had TV...
IMO, you're aware of many historical facts, but you don't know the background or the "why" of many of them--and you're therefore "jumping to confusions".
, ArtCar Knocker
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Everybody seems to agree that Kim is crazy.
So we blow up his missle.
Are we prepared to come to South Korea's aid as the Commie hordes sweep across the DMZ? Or are we going to sacrifice the troops we have stationed in SK and let SK go it on its own? What will our response be to whatever action Kim takes? And I have little doubt that there will be some reaction.
So we blow up his missle.
Are we prepared to come to South Korea's aid as the Commie hordes sweep across the DMZ? Or are we going to sacrifice the troops we have stationed in SK and let SK go it on its own? What will our response be to whatever action Kim takes? And I have little doubt that there will be some reaction.
Art Eatman
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Car Knocker, good questions. I imagine a lot of other governments are wondering the same thing. That's part of why we have to stay in Iraq until "the deal is done". If we cut and run from there, other countries' perception--including Kim Jong mentally-Il's--would be that we would cut and run from Korea.
That's how we were seen after Vietnam: No staying power. No national will to finish what we get into.
Our own internal reasons and perceptions are irrelevant and immaterial...
Art
That's how we were seen after Vietnam: No staying power. No national will to finish what we get into.
Our own internal reasons and perceptions are irrelevant and immaterial...
Art
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Car Nocker, it will be a hideous disaster if the Commie North invades South Korea. But I have given up caring about the South. Many in South Korea are full of hate against the US and at the same time have this really weird desire to reunite with the North.
They may have to take their money, industry and human resources and defend themselves. If they don't, they are going to be eating bugs in the shadows of their abandoned high rise buildings. Just like L'il Kim's Workers' Paradise.
They may have to take their money, industry and human resources and defend themselves. If they don't, they are going to be eating bugs in the shadows of their abandoned high rise buildings. Just like L'il Kim's Workers' Paradise.
Waitone
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Before getting hot and bothered about what the Norks are doing, gotta determine first if it is threat or theatre. Our intel folks know the fuel NK uses is highly corrosive and not likely to spend a lot of time in the open before causing trouble. So reality intervenes here and demonstrates what appears to be is not what is.
Second, you can pretty much set your watch by Kim's tantrums. Shift the spotlight to the world's other nuclear nut-case and begin counting.
Third, Bush is no fool. He sees an opening when it shows. Democrats in congress have greatly reduced funding for ballistic missile defense (how they do that when the other party controls all levers of power in DC is another thread). Bush's opening is to sponsor a little theatre of his own rhetoric and the rhetoric of his spear carriers.
No threat, just good theatre. Ultimately, if Bush and Co. were really concerned about the missiles he could order a B2 decapitation strike interrupting Kim's plans and dinging his pretty playtoys. That, after all, is what the B2 was designed to do.
Second, you can pretty much set your watch by Kim's tantrums. Shift the spotlight to the world's other nuclear nut-case and begin counting.
Third, Bush is no fool. He sees an opening when it shows. Democrats in congress have greatly reduced funding for ballistic missile defense (how they do that when the other party controls all levers of power in DC is another thread). Bush's opening is to sponsor a little theatre of his own rhetoric and the rhetoric of his spear carriers.
No threat, just good theatre. Ultimately, if Bush and Co. were really concerned about the missiles he could order a B2 decapitation strike interrupting Kim's plans and dinging his pretty playtoys. That, after all, is what the B2 was designed to do.
Car Knocker
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shermacman,
So, should we pull our troops out to safety really quickly or leave them there as decoys? Same for the American citizens in-country?
Realistically, these are questions that our leadership should be asking before they start poking the hornet's nest with a stick.
So, should we pull our troops out to safety really quickly or leave them there as decoys? Same for the American citizens in-country?
Realistically, these are questions that our leadership should be asking before they start poking the hornet's nest with a stick.
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All I can say is that if we strike North Korea's missile launch pad or their missile test, we are not going to be the good guys, we will be the aggressors. That's what I meant when I said that NK's leader thinks just like us. If someone were to blow up one of our test missiles at White Sands Missile Range, we'd think the same way that NK would if we blew up their missile. If we blow up their missile on their launchpad, they'll think the same way as if another country blew up missile sites on our own soil. That's all I meant. I voted in the polls that I support Pres. Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I wouldn't be for attacking North Korea at this point in time and get North Korea and China (big mistake ) angry at us. Also, I agree with a lot of the members of the CIA, let them test launch it so that we can learn more about their technology so we will be more military prepared for them http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10774122/
All I can say is that if we strike North Korea's missile launch pad or their missile test, we are not going to be the good guys, we will be the aggressors. That's what I meant when I said that NK's leader thinks just like us. If someone were to blow up one of our test missiles at White Sands Missile Range, we'd think the same way that NK would if we blew up their missile. If we blow up their missile on their launchpad, they'll think the same way as if another country blew up missile sites on our own soil. That's all I meant. I voted in the polls that I support Pres. Bush in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I wouldn't be for attacking North Korea at this point in time and get North Korea and China (big mistake ) angry at us. Also, I agree with a lot of the members of the CIA, let them test launch it so that we can learn more about their technology so we will be more military prepared for them http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10774122/stevelyn
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What irritates me most about this is that we have known about NK's and the Crazy Little Man's ambitions for a long time. Unlike the bad info or lie that we were fed to justify going into Iraq, NK's progress has pretty much been confirmed as solid intel.
Yet we ignored the threat and insisted on invading a sovereign country who wasn't a threat to us, or tied with the WoT and as a result we've been pi$$ing away lives and resources tilting at windmills while the wolf has gotten closer to the door.
:banghead:Don Gwinn
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NickBallard, North Korea has been "the aggressor" in the Korean theater since the 1950's. Period.
No, we do not become the aggressor if we strike their missile site. That's not the question; the question is what will happen next and is it the best we can do for ourselves and our allies?
No, we do not become the aggressor if we strike their missile site. That's not the question; the question is what will happen next and is it the best we can do for ourselves and our allies?
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