Where do you load your ccw when Flying?

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Heat Miser

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To expand on the other thread about Where/how do you load your ccw?

How do you load your weapon after a flight?

In rental car? your own Car, wait till home/hotel??
 
unfortunatly it would be illegal to have a CCW in a state that did not recognize mine or i did not have one with.

but for the sake of arguement it would be at a residence or hotel.


now how bout travelling in an auto across state lines? how do you stay legal an safe?
 
The only time I've flown w/my CCW I didn't have any ammo with it since I was just bringing it to a friend to get some work done.

I suppose I'd load up once I got to the car.
 
Haven't actually done that yet, but my plans are to load as soon as I got to my car. If security looks like a problem then I would drive off airport property and stop at the first "safe-looking" place, load up, and continue on.

Logistar
 
I guess I should expand..... I will commuting between Chicago (AAHHHH!!!) and Orlando a lot coming up and when I get to Orlando, I still have a long drive. I am thinking in rental car. Don't bother telling me about Chicago, I know the rules here... :banghead:
 
Reardless of the answer, make sure it is off airport property. Airport property is often quite large, by the way.
 
As I understand it, you CAN carry on airport property. You just can not go into the area where you have to pass through the metal detectors.

I was SERIOUSLY trying to figure out how to duck into the men's room and get to my CCW and ammo and load 'er up after arriving from a flight. I STILL believe that is legal but it may not be a good idea.:rolleyes:

I have yet for anyone to show me a law that prohibits carry on airport property (other that the area past the metal detectors).

In Louisville we can't go past them anyway unless we are flying so I see no actual (legal) reason why I can't carry when I go to pick someone up.

I would NOT recommend trying to carry on ANY part of airport property though. I am not sure laws actually matter there. :fire:

(Seriously, if anyone can show me a law - maybe a recently passed one - that prohibits carry in an airport where otherwise it is legal let me know.)

Logistar
 
It depends on where I am flying. Sometimes I go to the bathroom in the baggage claim area if I am travelling with ammo. I have ammo stashed in places that I fly to frequently (Austin, OKC, Indy) so the person picking me up brings it with them and I load up in the car parked in the loading zone. If I have parked at the airport, on my return I reload when I get to my car.
 
It can be done in a handicapped stall in the restroom near the baggage claim, assuming it's in compliance with all pertinent state laws. I don't think anyone can cite a federal law against it. A wheelgun loads rather silently; I don't want to be heard releasing a slide while ostensibly doing #2. Those MTM ammo "wallets" are good because you snap one round at a time out of it, rather than risking dumping a box of 20 rounds all over the floor--imagine the panic that would cause, and Lord knows I don't want to touch any cartridges that have been scattered on an airport restroom floor.
 
"I don't think anyone can cite a federal law against it."

Correct. But:

I work in an airport that has conspicuous signs at every entrance stating that it is against federal law to carry a loaded firearm on airport property.

I asked the local PD, who assured me they would arrest anyone upon discovering that they had a loaded gun in their possession. They cited state and federal laws. I asked about cars, and again they said yes. They also pointed out that by the time you were miles from the signs at the entrances that you were already in violation of the law.

I asked a DOT special agent, who rattled off the federal laws in question off the top of his head. They pertained to airport property, not just the structures.

I asked a TSA manager, who assured me he had memorandums to the effect that loaded weapons on airport property were against federal law. (Memos from DOT special agents, iirc.) He tried to be more helpful, buy it wasn't his area of expertise.

So...

While misinformation may certainly abound, their doesn't seem to be any confusion on the LEOs in my neck of the woods. (The federal ones at least.)
 
I asked a TSA manager, who assured me he had memorandums to the effect that loaded weapons on airport property were against federal law. (Memos from DOT special agents, iirc.)
Isn't there some state or federal proposed firearms bill out there that deals with ensuring that firearms are legal in the terminal/pre-screening areas of the airports? If I can recall, this proposal was a result of the 2 shootings in terminals, the El Al one at LAX and another I cannot seem to remember.
 
Erik, I have worked for the FAA at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center headquarters in Oklahoma City, twice, on contracts, though the most recent was in 1991. At that time there were no regs regarding loaded firearms in the UNSECURED area of an airport. I am unable to find any current regs. In fact federal law makes no differentiation between a loaded or unloaded gun except that it requires the firearm to be unloaded when surrendered to the contract carrier for transportation. The MMAC is federal property and it is generally illegal to carry concealed on federal property for illegal purposes, but an airport terminal is NOT federal property. It usually is the property of the city which the airport serves.

This is the law that I know of:
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 44 > Sec. 930. Prev
Sec. 930. - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

Subsection (d) that is the exception:
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to -
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

This is also the reason that you can carry a firearm into a postal facility. Of course you can, otherwise you wouldn't be able to mail a firearm. The only way this can be construed to not permit concealed carry is if the stance of the federal govt is that self defense with a firearm is not lawful. That is NOT true.

If what that DOT SA knew what he was talking about then it would be illegal to take a gun into an airport to transport it in checked baggage. See my response below to spankaveli for the law pertaining to contract carriers.

If there is a federal law then find it here and tell me where it is:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/

spankaveli, firearms are transported in checked baggage following FAA regs and USC Title 18, Sec. 922, (e) (an airline is a contract carrier)
(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.

I load in the baggage claim bathroom. The entrances to the terminal are posted, BUT only from the front of the terminal. I have yet to see a 'no concealed carry sign', or 30.06 sign in Texas, when I come down the jet way at the gate nor in the baggage claim area. Therefore, under Texas law it is not considered posted because I am entering the terminal through an unposted entrance.

Heat Miser, you are in for a treat if flying out of Chicago. Since you must declare the guns you will be escorted into a room with an airline rep and two Chicago police officers. Handguns are illegal in Chicago, but you are covered by the FOPA '86 codified as USC Title 18, Sec 926A.
 
I carry mine loaded on the plane, but I have one of those original Glocks that's invisible to metal detectors. My ammo is special ceramic NSA issue stuff, so it's under the radar too.

:evil:
 
Jeff,
I'm just reporting the existence of conspicuous signs posted at the entrances of the international airport I work in and the information relayed to me from various LEO sources I sought out withing the past year in hopes of some answers. (The signs are clear and their answers were not vague.)

Your actions may very well be defensible under Texas law. However, under federal law they mean nothing. (Premise moot if the two suite wearing feds that I spoke with were misinformed. Though assuming their information was the same as you'd find at other international airports you'd likely spend some time in lockup before the matter was sorted out.) Sorry I cannot remember a stream of legalese quoted to me six months ago or so.

Regardless, I will do my best to get something more akin to concrete evidence when I return to work in a couple of weeks.

Erik
 
Erik, when you check this out ask them how a passenger is suppose to get a firearm to the ticket counter to declare it for transportation if no firearms are allowed on airport grounds. I would be very interested to hear that explanation. If I have a gun in my suitcase it is considered to be a concealed firearm in many jurisdicitons, Texas included, without a CHL. Maybe they are allowing it, as Austin Airport and Oklahoma City Airport do, under USC Title 18, Sec 926A. There are signs at the Austin airport and OKC airport, but only on the side the cars come to, not the side the planes do and the signs were posted by the respective cities. What airport are you in? Did the feds post the signs?

Pilot, I want to be on your flights!!
 
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