Which 9mm for only +P or +P+ ammunition?
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otomik
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just about any current NATO military 9mm handgun
Browning Hi-Power, especially the newer Mark III
Beretta 92 series, especially the Brigadier or Elites
SIG P226, especially the newer ones with forged slides
CZ-75 series
Glock 17 and 19
you also want to get some extra power recoil springs from Wolff Gunspings and find which is the strongest that still works reliably. Though I do agree that a .357SIG might be what you want as the current ne plus ultra of fast nines.
Browning Hi-Power, especially the newer Mark III
Beretta 92 series, especially the Brigadier or Elites
SIG P226, especially the newer ones with forged slides
CZ-75 series
Glock 17 and 19
you also want to get some extra power recoil springs from Wolff Gunspings and find which is the strongest that still works reliably. Though I do agree that a .357SIG might be what you want as the current ne plus ultra of fast nines.
1. Any CZ. It's what they are made for.
2. Ditto the 9mm Glocks. Mine shoots +p+ like its spitting out bb's. No recoil, no malfunctions. No noticeable wear-and-tear. Just gobbles up +p+ like it's candy.
3. HK's are all designed for +p+ ammo.
4. I hear the Beretta is fine too, but I do know less about them than the others.
5. I've heard of several folks using +p+ ammo in FN Hi-Powers without a single problem. The SAS loves theirs, from what I hear.
6. Sigs will generally be ok, but I have heard that the p226 slide will crack with too much +p+ use. Should be fine for many thousands of +p loads, though.
By the wayI considered the .357 SIG before I bought my G19.
Between the two, 9mm is the way to go. You can find 9mm loadings that closely mimic the .357 SIG, and you can find cheap ball ammo, too. You can find submachine gun loads that push 1500fps with a 124gr slug, and a number of other interesting military surplus loads.
You can find 9mm ammo everywhere, from hardware stores to Wal-Mart. Its everywhere, and it is cheap as dirt. Cheaper than anything short of 22lr.
I found the choice of 9mm over .357 SIG to be a no-brainer for me. A p229 in .357 SIG would be fun and powerful...but I see no real advantage over my G19 w/+p+ ammo.
-David
2. Ditto the 9mm Glocks. Mine shoots +p+ like its spitting out bb's. No recoil, no malfunctions. No noticeable wear-and-tear. Just gobbles up +p+ like it's candy.
3. HK's are all designed for +p+ ammo.
4. I hear the Beretta is fine too, but I do know less about them than the others.
5. I've heard of several folks using +p+ ammo in FN Hi-Powers without a single problem. The SAS loves theirs, from what I hear.
6. Sigs will generally be ok, but I have heard that the p226 slide will crack with too much +p+ use. Should be fine for many thousands of +p loads, though.
By the wayI considered the .357 SIG before I bought my G19.
Between the two, 9mm is the way to go. You can find 9mm loadings that closely mimic the .357 SIG, and you can find cheap ball ammo, too. You can find submachine gun loads that push 1500fps with a 124gr slug, and a number of other interesting military surplus loads.
You can find 9mm ammo everywhere, from hardware stores to Wal-Mart. Its everywhere, and it is cheap as dirt. Cheaper than anything short of 22lr.
I found the choice of 9mm over .357 SIG to be a no-brainer for me. A p229 in .357 SIG would be fun and powerful...but I see no real advantage over my G19 w/+p+ ammo.
-David
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I agree with everybody that suggests any good quality 9mm will stand up to a bunch of +P+. And, 9mm is cheaper. However, I read literally into the statement by the OP when he said he wants to shoot ONLY +P and +P+. Based on that, I can find cheap .357 sig practice ammo for less than +P+ 9mm. If it were a case of shooting cheap, the 9mm is unquestionably the way to go...and you have the ability to shoot hot stuff through it whenever you want to. Or, can afford to. I think if I wanted +P+ performance out of a .357 bullet all the time out of an autoloader, I would go with the .357 Sig. I think we are generally in agreement here...(And, I don't own a .357 Sig!)
gudel
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+1. It says that in the manual too
Walt Sherrill
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Lots of modern firearms can handle +P. +P+, however, is a crap shoot, as I don't think there's really a SAAMI standard that conforms to that, and what you get is what you get -- but maybe not what you want.
I'll ask the unasked question: why beat up yourself and your gun with +P or +P+, when a gun designed for a hotter load (like, perhaps, a compact 10mm, or a solid .40) makes a lot more sense...
I'll ask the unasked question: why beat up yourself and your gun with +P or +P+, when a gun designed for a hotter load (like, perhaps, a compact 10mm, or a solid .40) makes a lot more sense...
BevrFevr
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why not switch to a caliber...
that does what you want it too do at standard pressures?
Why hotrod and beat the hell out of a gun. Also +P+ can mean anything so anybody telling you a gun will handle it with ease just ain't loading hot enough.
If 9mm and 9mm +P ain't good enough move up to .357 or .40 or maybe even .50AE.
I think +P+ is a PP thing. If it ain't big enough for the job find one that is.
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that does what you want it too do at standard pressures?
Why hotrod and beat the hell out of a gun. Also +P+ can mean anything so anybody telling you a gun will handle it with ease just ain't loading hot enough.
If 9mm and 9mm +P ain't good enough move up to .357 or .40 or maybe even .50AE.
I think +P+ is a PP thing. If it ain't big enough for the job find one that is.
-bevr
The Reverend
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MCgunner
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RUGER P89!
Dave Markowitz
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Ruger P-89 or P-95.
CAnnoneer
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I'd only shoot such with a Ruger KP89.
Any other platform would make me nervous with such loads.
Any other platform would make me nervous with such loads.
10-Ring
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+P or +P+??? I'd go HK USP 9 or USPc 9
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I've had a p89 for years. you can't kill this thing and it will feed anything you put through it. Will handle hot loads without any problems.
Big Mike
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5906, Beretta 92, CZ75, USP9
Falconeer
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I believe the Sigs are rated for +P in the manual as well. +P+ is a marketing tool, not a specification. SAMMI doesn't publish specs for +P+ like they do for +P.
I CCW a P229 in 357 Sig. As for ammo costs, I carry 125grn Gold Dots and reload my practice ammo. Let's hear it for 125grn Montana Gold FMJs!!
I CCW a P229 in 357 Sig. As for ammo costs, I carry 125grn Gold Dots and reload my practice ammo. Let's hear it for 125grn Montana Gold FMJs!!
I believe the Sigs are rated for +P in the manual as well. +P+ is a marketing tool, not a specification. SAMMI doesn't publish specs for +P+ like they do for +P.
Generally, people say +p+ when they mean the pressures exceed SAMMI +p specs.
Generally, people say +p+ when they mean the pressures exceed SAMMI +p specs.
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If your planning on ONLY shooting the +P, +P+ 9mm, than you would be better off going with the 357SIG. Your practice ammo will be at the same power level as your carry ammo, for the most part, and all of it will be cheaper than +P+ 9mm.
You also get the advantage of still being able to push it even hotter, as most comparisons of +P+ 9mm and 357SIG are based on the standard loading of the 357SIG, which is available even hotter with some ammo. The +P+ 9mm can get close, but its still chasing the 357SIG, even at its best.
Another advantage is, you can get a 9mm barrel for most 357SIG guns, which allows you to have some more options. You cant go the other way with the 9mm.
You also get the advantage of still being able to push it even hotter, as most comparisons of +P+ 9mm and 357SIG are based on the standard loading of the 357SIG, which is available even hotter with some ammo. The +P+ 9mm can get close, but its still chasing the 357SIG, even at its best.
Another advantage is, you can get a 9mm barrel for most 357SIG guns, which allows you to have some more options. You cant go the other way with the 9mm.
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