Reloadron
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You need to understand that justin22885 views the AK rifle as the center of the universe.
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Which AK or M1??
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Caliper_Mi
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CMP M1
No question.
It might not be the world's best rifle (yes, it has flaws). It might not be my favorite rifle. But, it is the rifle that helped win WWII, and getting a genuine CMP M1 is a real piece of history. Before long, the supply will dwindle and prices climb. When that happens, there will still be plenty of new AK's bring made.
No question.
It might not be the world's best rifle (yes, it has flaws). It might not be my favorite rifle. But, it is the rifle that helped win WWII, and getting a genuine CMP M1 is a real piece of history. Before long, the supply will dwindle and prices climb. When that happens, there will still be plenty of new AK's bring made.
Don357
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The M1 Garand and the AK are 2 totally different classes of weapons. From a former soldiers point of view, the AK is a fine weapon for urban environment warfare or jungle warfare, whereas the M1 can serve in urban, and long range situations but while still usable, does not lend itself to the jungle very well simply because of its length.
But as far as reliability goes, both are very reliable. Both have their place in history, though the Garands goes farther back, and the Garand is a much nicer rifle. Fit, finish, materials, and workmanship, not to mention power, beat an AK any day.
Plenty of AKs around, by the Garand. You won't regret it.
But as far as reliability goes, both are very reliable. Both have their place in history, though the Garands goes farther back, and the Garand is a much nicer rifle. Fit, finish, materials, and workmanship, not to mention power, beat an AK any day.
Plenty of AKs around, by the Garand. You won't regret it.
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Sistema1927
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My Garand left Springfield Armory the 2nd quarter of 1956. I left the hospital the 2nd quarter of 1956.
The Garand isn't obsolete, and neither am I.
You will always be able to buy an AK for that amount of cash (assuming that there are no new gun bans), but you won't be able to touch an M1 for that amount as soon as the CMP supply dries up.
Enjoy your Garand.
The Garand isn't obsolete, and neither am I.
You will always be able to buy an AK for that amount of cash (assuming that there are no new gun bans), but you won't be able to touch an M1 for that amount as soon as the CMP supply dries up.
Enjoy your Garand.
Quentin
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Tough question that everyone will have to answer themselves. I never regretted buying a cheap AK in 2007. And good ARs soon after. Each platform has been quite useful and a lot of fun.
A Garand has been on my wish list a long time, maybe I'll finally get one this year but I already have an M1A Scout and Mini-14 which are very useful and have that Garand action, slightly modernized.
Still, we are talking Garand... and there isn't anything really like it.
A Garand has been on my wish list a long time, maybe I'll finally get one this year but I already have an M1A Scout and Mini-14 which are very useful and have that Garand action, slightly modernized.
Still, we are talking Garand... and there isn't anything really like it.
justin22885
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would this be the same M1 garand that failed to fire off two consecutive shots in the early 1950s trials that rifles like the EM2 was dominating?.. the same garand that got the crap beat out of it in sand and mud tests against even the FAL?.. the same one the US military had to bury constant soldier complaints about them seizing up and needing to be beaten open with a hammer because they were used in dusty desert climates or the extreme cold of north korea... or better yet, because they got rained on?.. the same garand thats only 8 shots of a fixed magazine in a significantly more expensive caliber?
"greated battle implement ever devised" was simply a line of bull to inspire a bunch of scared green troops about ready to be mowed down on the beaches of normandy by german machine guns, about ready to face the largest war the US has ever fought
the only value the garand has is one of WWII nostalgia, in terms of practicality, weight, reliability, and just about every other category its inferior and outdated, theres a reason there are more AKs around the globe than garands
"greated battle implement ever devised" was simply a line of bull to inspire a bunch of scared green troops about ready to be mowed down on the beaches of normandy by german machine guns, about ready to face the largest war the US has ever fought
the only value the garand has is one of WWII nostalgia, in terms of practicality, weight, reliability, and just about every other category its inferior and outdated, theres a reason there are more AKs around the globe than garands
ApacheCoTodd
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Of course!....
The M-1.
Very finite supply and prices go up nearly monthly.
The only rush to an AK would be in connection to your local laws regarding Hi-Caps, if any.
Todd.
The M-1.
Very finite supply and prices go up nearly monthly.
The only rush to an AK would be in connection to your local laws regarding Hi-Caps, if any.
Todd.
Yep, definitely trolling.
Dude, hear me now, understand it later ...
When your cute little AK gets banned, along with every other detachable mag-fed semi auto, M1 Garand owners will still be enjoying theirs, from the full-size '06 & .308s to the shorties versions (i.e., 18" Tankers & 16" Mini-Gs), all of which are as reliable but more accurate - any day all day - than your AK.
Mini-G & Tanker.
Dude, seriously, ... figure it out.
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NeuseRvrRat
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^link to those clip pouches that go on the stock?
Olongapo stock pouches:
http://www.brownells.com/shooting-a...m1-garand-en-bloc-clip-pouches-prod27504.aspx
After loading the first 8-rd clip of 7.62 ball from my belt pouch, ...
... the stock pouches give me 24-rds "on the gun," so to speak.
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Pete D.
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Is the guy going to war? No. He is going to the range. While he is there, he will shoot targets. With a Garand, he will have a more accurate rifle for that endeavor.
In fact, since he will not be going into battle, the Garand is a better choice is just about every way.
giggitygiggity
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Get an M1 Garand. They are only going to go up in price and AKs are all over the place and still being produced by numerous manufacturers.
Swampman
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OP, I like both weapons, but I think you made a good choice with the M1. As others have already said, AK's are still being made and Garands aren't.
Writing a Letter to a fellow General seems like a singularly ineffective way to inspire the troops, especially when you consider that they had stormed the beaches at Normandy on June 6th, 1944, MORE THAN HALF A YEAR EARLIER!
Your encyclopedic knowledge of history and love of the truth is surpassed only by your in depth knowledge of firearms and tactics.
The quote "In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." comes from a letter written by Lt. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. to Chief of Ordnance Lt. Gen. Levin H. Campbell, Jr. and it was dated January 26, 1945.
Writing a Letter to a fellow General seems like a singularly ineffective way to inspire the troops, especially when you consider that they had stormed the beaches at Normandy on June 6th, 1944, MORE THAN HALF A YEAR EARLIER!
Your encyclopedic knowledge of history and love of the truth is surpassed only by your in depth knowledge of firearms and tactics.
meanmrmustard
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Says who?Yep, definitely trolling.
Dude, hear me now, understand it later ...
When your cute little AK gets banned, along with every other detachable mag-fed semi auto, M1 Garand owners will still be enjoying theirs, from the full-size '06 & .308s to the shorties versions (i.e., 18" Tankers & 16" Mini-Gs), all of which are as reliable but more accurate - any day all day - than your AK.
Mini-G & Tanker.
Dude, seriously, ... figure it out.
If detachable bottom feeding rifles get banned, what is to say that semiautomatic rifles of any design are safe? If the Garand is indeed superior to AKMs AND the government infringes further upon the idea that we the people must not own weaponry on par at the very least with their own, how would a full bore, semiautomatic battle rifle be safe?
Reloadron
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I believe you covered things well in another thread where you stated you liked to play devils advocate. You are really pretty good at it. You figure the AK is the center of the universe as we know it but seems in this thread most see the M1 Garand as the rifle of choice.
I wonder how your AK would fare at the 500 yard line against a M1 Garand? Would sort of be an apple and orange shoot off.
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meanmrmustard
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Most M1s I've fired were accurate.
Some AKMs I've fired were too. Some.
At the 500 yard line, I'll bring a Beryl if I plan on keeping pace with an M1.
silicosys4
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For the money, I'd rather have the M1. $850 is just too much for a stamped receiver battle rifle that is so easily found.
For the range, I'd say the AK. I've shot both and the AK is just a better range toy...cheaper to feed, no "AK thumb", more capacity.
For the range, I'd say the AK. I've shot both and the AK is just a better range toy...cheaper to feed, no "AK thumb", more capacity.
justin22885
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you say that like you want AKs to be banned, do they scare you? i dont take advice from fudds, AKs and semi automatics will not be banned nor will their magazines, they failed to do it after sandy hook so they wont be doing it now, and even if i did, i wouldnt be a blind supporter of the state and bow to its power, id own them anywayYep, definitely trolling.
Dude, hear me now, understand it later ...
When your cute little AK gets banned, along with every other detachable mag-fed semi auto, M1 Garand owners will still be enjoying theirs, from the full-size '06 & .308s to the shorties versions (i.e., 18" Tankers & 16" Mini-Gs), all of which are as reliable but more accurate - any day all day - than your AK.
Dude, seriously, ... figure it out.
and its funny how the garand failed all military trials in the 50s absolutely miserably only getting off at best 2 shots before the action completely seized, losing to the FAL and EM-2 rifles, so the garand isnt even as reliable as the FAL... and you think its AS reliable as an AK?.. sorry dude, but you have fudd goggles on
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