Mike OTDP
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Has any consideration been given to taking pre-orders?
Which Boberg XR9?
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ABBOBERG
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I have considered it. I think how some smaller gun companies do it is just take orders (not pre-orders), then order the next batch of parts, which would take about 2 months.
But if the company is a startup, the parts for 1000 guns (where there might be a price break at the suppliers) would cost, say, 200 dollars, then the startup company needs to come up with $200,000 just to order parts. Assuming there is not enough investment money available to buy this inventory, then pre-orders might be the only way to fund the first batch.
But if the company is a startup, the parts for 1000 guns (where there might be a price break at the suppliers) would cost, say, 200 dollars, then the startup company needs to come up with $200,000 just to order parts. Assuming there is not enough investment money available to buy this inventory, then pre-orders might be the only way to fund the first batch.
ABBOBERG
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The spare magazines will most likely be in the same price range as Kahr magazines.
The warrantly plan is currently being formulated.
Chortdraw
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I now have a SCCY CX-1 9mm and as you see in other reports it is not quite the gun that it was expected. I would be real intrested.
ccoorreeyy
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Any new news on these?
ABBOBERG
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The new news is that the XR9 is currently in durability testing. Some parts now have 4000+ rounds through them. Other parts only have 1500. There have been some issues with surface impact in certain areas of the frame from the barrel rotation block that will be addressed in the newly-designed parts going into the Shorty, which is about 3 weeks behind schedule.
The Druggist
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I vote for the long one (but I'd buy a shortie too)
Personally I will buy which ever one you could produce first.
The long one is still very short and concealable.
I just got a Rohrbaugh R9S yesterday and it may even be too short of a grip for me.
Maybe it'll be a good present for my wife when I one of your 9's. So hurry up and get it on the market and call or e-mail me when it's available!
No Joke- when I saw the difference in kinetic energy from my Rohrbaugh to your Boberg- I almost took the Rohrbaugh BACK! I couldn't believe the penetration pics of various 9mm rounds. A Boberg equidistant in penetration to a Glock 26?? Unbelievable! But your picture don't lie! Alas, no refunds where I purchased it- SO
Let's make a deal. You give me a little time to make some money and I'll buy the first available. Okay??
Alright, alright- The second or 3rd available would be ok too. Just GET THEM INTO PRODUCTION would ya??
Please e-mail approx. dates of availablity.
Rich
Personally I will buy which ever one you could produce first.
The long one is still very short and concealable.
I just got a Rohrbaugh R9S yesterday and it may even be too short of a grip for me.
Maybe it'll be a good present for my wife when I one of your 9's. So hurry up and get it on the market and call or e-mail me when it's available!
No Joke- when I saw the difference in kinetic energy from my Rohrbaugh to your Boberg- I almost took the Rohrbaugh BACK! I couldn't believe the penetration pics of various 9mm rounds. A Boberg equidistant in penetration to a Glock 26?? Unbelievable! But your picture don't lie! Alas, no refunds where I purchased it- SO
Let's make a deal. You give me a little time to make some money and I'll buy the first available. Okay??
Alright, alright- The second or 3rd available would be ok too. Just GET THEM INTO PRODUCTION would ya??
Please e-mail approx. dates of availablity.
Rich
ABBOBERG
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Actually, the birch penetration was comparing the XR9 to a Sig P226, which has similar performance to a Glock 17.
Rich: If you e-mail me through my site, I will retain your contact info when models are available. My goal is for a launch this year, but there have been several delays. One delay is finding a magazine maker. I may be faced with making all the mags myself.
Arne
Jim Watson
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Remember the Bren Ten. Make magazines, include magazines, have spare magazines IMMEDIATELY available.
DrDremel
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It looks like the perfect carry gun. I love my full sive guns but my carry guns I want thin and light. I like the standard size as the shorter one seems like it would be harder to holster well. I don't think there would be any real difference carrying but the standard would be better to shot. I would not mind an eventual 5 inch gun after the success of the standard. I will be seriously looking at this when it is available. Also I am an extra mag guy. I would buy at least 6 mags as long as they are not expensive (See HK for examples of expensive mags).
ABBOBERG
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I might be left with making my own mags, so I should have some control over the price.
BigDanInTX
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Standard, for sure. The shorty just looks deformed...
ABBOBERG
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Pushing the barrel that far back on such a short gun does look unusual, that is why I am working on a cosmetic makeover.
yhtomit
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Heh, I may be the only one (of the ones I've seen!) who prefers the look of the shorty. Too many guns look just alike 
Sometimes that's good (1911: good shape), but I think the shorty's shape is fantastic.
I'm hoping sometime soon you'll be able to speculate publically about price
timothy
Sometimes that's good (1911: good shape), but I think the shorty's shape is fantastic. I'm hoping sometime soon you'll be able to speculate publically about price
timothy
ABBOBERG said:
Make the trigger guard flush with the end of the frame and it will help the looks a lot. In fact, if you made the trigger guard square and flush with the end of the frame it would fit in well with your existing aesthetic.
CypherNinja
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ABBOBERG: Here's a question that's been on my mind the last couple days.
Which way does the barrel rotate to unlock? If this gun were to be offered/modified with a threaded barrel, would the barrel rotation tend to unscrew a can?
I imagine the rotational force applied by recoil during unlocking would be more severe than the return stroke.
Also, a can might interfere with the operation of the action, though the Browning actions seem to work OK.
My overall question being, will this pistol "get along" with suppressors? Or will a recoil booster (to make sure it cycles) and/or supplementary thread locking system (to make sure it stays on) be needed?
Which way does the barrel rotate to unlock? If this gun were to be offered/modified with a threaded barrel, would the barrel rotation tend to unscrew a can?
I imagine the rotational force applied by recoil during unlocking would be more severe than the return stroke.
Also, a can might interfere with the operation of the action, though the Browning actions seem to work OK.
My overall question being, will this pistol "get along" with suppressors? Or will a recoil booster (to make sure it cycles) and/or supplementary thread locking system (to make sure it stays on) be needed?
Very, very, very interesting.
Assuming the reviews are good, I would almost definitely buy one in .40 S&W, when you make them in that caliber.
My only suggestion is to try and make the grip a bit shorter front-to-back. Looking at the overlays, I think people with small hands would have some trouble reaching the trigger. Kahr's grip size seems to be an excellent compromise for being usable for almost everyone.
If the magazines are as easy to load as you say, it sounds like a great gun for people with weak hands. How resistant is the gun to limp-wristing? Also, I have a couple ideas on how to make it much easier to rack a slide, PM me if interested.
Assuming the reviews are good, I would almost definitely buy one in .40 S&W, when you make them in that caliber.
My only suggestion is to try and make the grip a bit shorter front-to-back. Looking at the overlays, I think people with small hands would have some trouble reaching the trigger. Kahr's grip size seems to be an excellent compromise for being usable for almost everyone.
If the magazines are as easy to load as you say, it sounds like a great gun for people with weak hands. How resistant is the gun to limp-wristing? Also, I have a couple ideas on how to make it much easier to rack a slide, PM me if interested.
ABBOBERG
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As you stare down the muzzle, the barrel rotates clockwise. You would have left-hand threads for any screw-on accessories.
ABBOBERG
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A guy at a local pistol manufacturer fired it while holding it sideways - I believe he was trying to embarrass me with a failure. It sure flipped his hand a lot. The XR9 ran flawlessly. What he didn't know is that I had shot the gun a lot this way to de-bug the feed mechanism - that way I could see any failures as they occured.
ABBOBERG
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I just tape-measured the Kahr PM9 - 5.9" grip circumference, XR9 - 6.7" grip circumference - halfway between the Kahr and larger guns.
ABBOBERG
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I am interested but your PM is blocked on THR.
ABBOBERG
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Actually, the XR9 barrel locking mechanism is very similar to the Beretta Cougar, and almost identical to the Sig/Mauser .45.
The Beretta 92 uses a horizontally sliding barrel with a falling block.
ctdonath
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I'd been kicking around such an idea for years; being a bit-pusher making one wasn't my field. Glad to see someone's turning it into a product!
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