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Love that cheek riser lol.
Which G3 style rifle should I buy?
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rws_53
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here's my 91
Gordon
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This is very true in my experience.
My friend has the same trigger as yours, I Beleive its a match trigger or maybe a psg1....he said it's pretty expensive. But wow it's an excellent trigger on his HK
Destructo6
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FMP also imported bare receivers, marked, "SLG-95".
The PTRs, to my understanding, are built using the former FMP tooling and technical data package.
rws_53
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Yes...I bought a PSG-1 trigger pack for mine installing it in the original trigger housing.
AlexanderA
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Agreed. The whole rationale of the G3, for the countries that adopted it, is that it was cheaper than the alternatives (mainly the FAL). Therefore, it's hard to understand why "real" H&K's are so expensive on the civilian market today. If you're bound and determined to get a G3 type, get a PTR -- which is at least somewhat reasonably priced.
For an individual, the FAL is a far better weapon, and is well worth the difference in price. If you were the minister of defense of some foreign country, though, and you could equip your troops with 50% more rifles for the same cost, you would opt for the G3. Especially if you could get in-country licensed production.
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Reminds me of that H&K "you suck and we hate you" meme.
By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage.
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I was reading that in WWII the average life of a rifle and soldier was fairly short. Doesn't take much math to figure out that a rifle that can be built quickly outpaces a rifle built for longevity. Money needs to be spent to get as many effective rifles out as possible in the shortest amount of time. How much time would it take to build 100K FN-FAL or M14's versus 100K G3's?
My ptr 32 with some modsThe ptr black furniture/lower, didn't really care for. So I added some wood furniture and a steel trigger pack
I've decided leaning towards more of a DMR type set up, still deciding on how to mount a bipod.
Really like to stick with original type handguards.
Just ordered 10 and 20 round mags
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AlexanderA
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That's exactly right. But as I pointed out in my earlier post, that logic applies to countries, not to individual purchasers. The reason I bought a G3 (PTR) is that I'm kind of a completist collector, and I wanted one at least for reference purposes. For that kind of weapon (a 7.62 mm NATO battle rifle), if all you want is one, the FAL is by far the better choice. (The M1A and the AR-10 are also contenders.) The G3 has a typical German "brutalist" aesthetic -- everything from its stamped-and-welded construction, to its violent action, to the way it mangles and tosses shell casings. In contrast, the FAL has a Belgo-Gallic elegance.
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you guys are crazy (i dont mean that literally), I love my cetme and memories of an HK.
I dont think the ergos are terrible, reliability is great, and I dont think the recoil is any worse than that of an FAL. if it is, ya may wanna check your bolt gaps!
other than some dings on the side, and the striations from the fluted chamber (both of which iron out fine) the brass isnt hardly damaged.
the only thing about them, is the weight! I wouldnt wanna carry it around all day.
I dont think the ergos are terrible, reliability is great, and I dont think the recoil is any worse than that of an FAL. if it is, ya may wanna check your bolt gaps!
other than some dings on the side, and the striations from the fluted chamber (both of which iron out fine) the brass isnt hardly damaged.
the only thing about them, is the weight! I wouldnt wanna carry it around all day.
It's no secret, one of the primary goals in the STG through G3 design was cheap mass production, hence the sheet metal receiver, pressed barrel, and generous use of welding. What's attractive to me about the design, is the simplicity, there really isn't too much to these rifles, add to that they rival the much vaunted AK in reliability, while at the same time are capable of much better accuracy. From an engineering standpoint it's both an interesting, and influential design, and while obviously outdated, it's both aged, and served better than some of its contemporaries.
dh1633pm
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While I was in Turkey for the war back in 2003 at a Turkish airbase I saw all the Turks with their G3 rifles or clones.
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I've had a whole bunch of HK and HK type weapons.
If you're dead set on 308, a couple suggestions, an HK 21 club-foot with the heavy buffer and butt-pad ... Also, the longer HK 21 charge handle makes operating the charge handle much easier than the little nub of a handle the OEM is set up with ... Also, a shorter barrel would make it lighter, this one is a pistol but you could SBR it
Personally I enjoy the 223 and 7.62x39 versions more than the 308.
For a much improved trigger you could get the Franklin Armory Trigger ... and it also has a 3rd position they call binary
This is an old picture, since then I've added a HK-32 clone (7.62x39) and both MP5K & MP5SD ... and all work with the binary trigger!
If you're dead set on 308, a couple suggestions, an HK 21 club-foot with the heavy buffer and butt-pad ... Also, the longer HK 21 charge handle makes operating the charge handle much easier than the little nub of a handle the OEM is set up with ... Also, a shorter barrel would make it lighter, this one is a pistol but you could SBR it
Personally I enjoy the 223 and 7.62x39 versions more than the 308.
For a much improved trigger you could get the Franklin Armory Trigger ... and it also has a 3rd position they call binary
This is an old picture, since then I've added a HK-32 clone (7.62x39) and both MP5K & MP5SD ... and all work with the binary trigger!
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AlexanderA
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Both the Greeks and the Turks -- NATO allies but traditional rivals -- use the G3 as their standard infantry rifle. They each produce them locally under license. Previously, they each used American weapons such as M1 Garands.
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Well, ended up picking up a PTR-91 at Knob Creek. Pictures will follow in a day or two.
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Certainly looks good!
IIRC, that grenade adapter is for the "bullet through" rifle grenade.....check them out, it was a bizarre, but workable idea.
jeff-10
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The PTR 91 GI that I paid $900 for new is probably the best value I have gotten from a firearms purchase. Superbly put together, accurate and reliable. I love the sites.
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Hopefully this coming Sunday.Now you just have to go shoot it.
One part that you might need some help on sighting it in is because the rear H&K drum sight is a gigantic pain. It's because of those tiny detents in the elevation drum.
Also, the PTR-91 rear sight is set in yards and the H&K-91 rear sight is set in meters. Keep that in mind.
Initial sight in for mine was at 30 Meters/32.8 Yards (For mine I set the target at 33 yards using a Nikon range finder and didn't bother with that .8 deal since mine rounds up or down), then confirmed at 200.
Used a mix of these 3 resources for sight in since I didn't know anyone who really shot them at the time and my dad sighted in the H&K 91 when we had it in the 80's.
[the PTR-91 owners manual PDF is down, so I'm substituting this one]
https://www.scribd.com/document/79261340/Hk-91-Owners-Manual
www.mg-42.net/sight_adj.htm
None of the pliers at Home Depot were small enough for the elevation adjustment detents in the drum sight (trust me, I looked), had to get these tiny pliers from Michael's Hobby Store that hippy chicks use to bead necklaces with (the handles were even bedazzled) for $7-something.
After that I just ended up buying the H&K-91 actual adjustment tool, just didn't feel like waiting for the sight tool. I also just looked and these guys have it on a discount (I paid more).
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Rear-Sight-Tool-For-Diopter-Sights-123p16511.htm
The good news is once you sight it in you probably won't ever have to mess with it again (hence the tip about tiny hobby pliers). I bought the actual tool just in case. I don't know if there's a Michaels around by you, but I'm sure that there's a hobby store somewhere around by where you live if you don't feel like spending that much.
Also, the PTR-91 rear sight is set in yards and the H&K-91 rear sight is set in meters. Keep that in mind.
Initial sight in for mine was at 30 Meters/32.8 Yards (For mine I set the target at 33 yards using a Nikon range finder and didn't bother with that .8 deal since mine rounds up or down), then confirmed at 200.
Used a mix of these 3 resources for sight in since I didn't know anyone who really shot them at the time and my dad sighted in the H&K 91 when we had it in the 80's.
[the PTR-91 owners manual PDF is down, so I'm substituting this one]
https://www.scribd.com/document/79261340/Hk-91-Owners-Manual
www.mg-42.net/sight_adj.htm
None of the pliers at Home Depot were small enough for the elevation adjustment detents in the drum sight (trust me, I looked), had to get these tiny pliers from Michael's Hobby Store that hippy chicks use to bead necklaces with (the handles were even bedazzled) for $7-something.
After that I just ended up buying the H&K-91 actual adjustment tool, just didn't feel like waiting for the sight tool. I also just looked and these guys have it on a discount (I paid more).
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Rear-Sight-Tool-For-Diopter-Sights-123p16511.htm
The good news is once you sight it in you probably won't ever have to mess with it again (hence the tip about tiny hobby pliers). I bought the actual tool just in case. I don't know if there's a Michaels around by you, but I'm sure that there's a hobby store somewhere around by where you live if you don't feel like spending that much.
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