Which M1A's for distance accuracy?

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  1. Col. Plink

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    Ok!
    Good info all the way around.

    Now: an official 90-degree turn in the thread by the OP.
    Point taken about trying to make the M1A do what the fellow wants.
    So who has the most accurizable AR-10 for the least dough? Steps up from there would be...?
    Thanks again in advance!
     
  2. IndianaBoy

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    Currently out of stock but this would be a great place to start:

    http://aeroprecisionusa.com/aspx/store/productdetail.aspx?pid=324


    http://aeroprecisionusa.com/aspx/store/productdetail.aspx?pid=323


    Add an optic and ammo and you are ready to dial it in and play!

    If you felt the need to add a match trigger, one really cool attribute of the AR-10 is that any match grade AR-15 trigger will also drop right in. No gunsmithing required.

    Triggers are very subjective, you might be really happy with what you get but I have become a trigger snob and I really like a JP single stage trigger.

    This is what I have in my match rifle:

    http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/triggers-parts/triggers/ar-15-ar-style-308-ez-trigger-system-prod42038.aspx?avs|Make_3=AR%20xzzx308


    AR-Gold also makes a great trigger as does Geissele. But I would definitely start out with a factory trigger and then decide if an upgrade is needed.
     
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  3. nbkky71

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    The best AR10 for long distance shooting is whichever one you can trade for an M1A. Sorry IndianaBoy... I couldn't resist :D

    I'm not an AR10 guy, but a buddy swears by his Ruger SR-762. If you've got the cash, a GAP10 from GA Precision is up in the top tier.
     
  4. IndianaBoy

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    It's ok I can take it!! :evil:



    This is true. The GAP10 and the 308 offerings from JP will give guaranteed accuracy.
     
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    If I were to add another AR10 today I would also likely be in the DPMS Camp and considering the GII Bull with the 24" Stainless BBL. That or another Armalite gun.

    Ron
     
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    I also qualified with the M-14 in 1967. I also was able to hit pop up targets at 600 meters with one, and with the same weapon was able to put 9 out of 10 shots in the same hole at sight-in. But 45 years is a long time. I probably could not see that target now without a scope. Also they tell me the M1-A is not like my old rifle. I guess if I wanted a 308 semi auto I also would be looking at the new DPMS GenII.
     
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    I personally don't think you'll find an AR-10 any more accurate than an M1A without sinking as much money into it as you would the Springfield to get the same accuracy. And weight-wise, they wouldn't be more than half a pound from each other, with or without optics.

    I have an SAI M1A Standard, I can shoot 1.5 MOA groups with it, and the limitation for better groups is mine and not the rifle. I have a Millet LRS scope on a Fulton mount, but it only improves the rifle at 200 yards or more, I can shoot as tight a group at 100 yards with the irons as I can with the scope. I'm not saying it's a better long-range rifle than something like a Rem 700, or even the Marlin X7 (which I also own a .308 of, and is just as tight at distance).

    The SAI will cost you $1600 or more, and by the time you get it scoped that price will maybe double, depending on what you screw to it. When you say "M21" that was simply the military designation for an accurized M14 converted to semi-auto by Rock Island Armory and a leatherwood 3-9X scope attached. An M1A with a scope would be a "M21-ish":rolleyes:

    I love my M1A, I always wanted one and am not the least bit sorry I ever bought it. There's history behind it, they are beautiful rifles and they have a distinctive ring to the report. They can be temperamental, some only like certain ammo, but they are a reloader's delight. The 15 shot group is with 8x scope at 200 yards, the 5 shot is 100 yards with iron sights. Gun was sandbagged, I was seated at a bench.
     
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    Then why not the Beretta Tikka 3 Lite in 30.06? :D This rifle costs alot less $600 light weight and is accurate shooting. I know totally different type of rifle but as far as accuracy goes on paper.......
    The M1A costs $1,500 to $3,000+:what::eek:
     
  10. holdover

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    I went through boot camp with the M14, was it a good combat rifle ,yes, was it a target rifle as issued, NO. Can it be made to shoot well at distances over 300 yds, yes with work and money, will it approach the accuracy of a tuned bolt gun at 600+ yards, not likely, but somewhat close. I have a match grade M1A that shoots very good, but can it keep up with my M40 clone or my Model 700 Long Range 300 win mag at 500 yds+, no it can't. I own it because I carried one in a land far away in the 60's and I trust it. If your friend wants to shoot a M1A and nothing else he can have one build that will work well, if he just wants to shoot at distances like 600 yds accurately he can do it with more accuracy with out spending as much money to get there. I shoot mostly bolt guns and like using Remingtons for the same reason I have the M1A, but I realize that there are a great deal of fine products out there that will get the job done. I have no experience with the A10 platform but I hear and read good things about it. I shoot a couple of AR15s that shoot well out to 400-500, and am building one with a 24" barrel in 6.5 Grendel that I expect great things out of. As a qualifier on what I accept for accuracy, if it doesn't shoot less than MOA over all the ranges I want it to, depending on platform and caliber from 300-1000yds, it either gets fixed by re-barreling, load development etc or it gets gone. I look to the military for which caliber to use at different ranges, up to 5-600 the 308 will get it done, the 300 win mag maybe a bit better, if the intent is to go out and shoot 1k I'll use the 300 win mag or pick up a 338 Lapula.. Your mileage may vary, best of luck with your search.
     
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    I think most AR10's with free floated non-chromelined barrels will be able to shoot sub moa at 100 yards. At 600 I'm not sure.

    If he's really looking to shoot long range and compete, skip the 30 cal cartridges. 6.5 creedmoor should be at the top of the list.

    Barrel length atleast 18in if he's going 308. 22 being ideal. A tikka with a heavy barrel will get you the most for the money. Following that a remington 700.
     
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    Just to add to the need for a custom job.

    I have a sub MOA .30-06 Garand and the whole project starting from a CMP field grade ran about $3500 if I remember right.

    The guys who know how to do that are getting fewer and fewer every day.

    If you really want to go out past 600 yards, then I agree, M14 isn't an efficient way to do that.

    I would even venture into an AR 15 match gun with maybe a 6mm Hagar or some other match chambering for a job like that.

    My Garand has the case capacity to stay out of the transonic region at 1000, but I could probably do better at half the price with an AR15 platform.

    Match Garands and M14s are awesome, though.

    J.
     
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    I traded one Ar15 for a motorcycle last year and my second AR may go the same route soon.
    But I will never part with the M1A.
    Why would I keep a 42 year old car and drive it daily?
    It has no Onstar, no black boxes, cannot be hacked or disabled remotely and would probably survive an emp blast.
     
  14. jim in Anchorage

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    That's pretty standard around here.

    OP-I'm thinking of buying a .22 hornet single shot. Ideas?

    Reply # 1-Have you considered a AR?
    # 2-7.62-39 ammo is a lot cheaper.
    # 3-Traded my hornet for a .308 and never looked back.
    # 4 Why a SS? CZ makes a repeater.
    And so on.
     
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    I've just finally got my m1a all buttoned up after two years, it's a standard model with a synthetic stock, sadlak steel mount and an lrs-1. It's terribly heavy but i love that rifle anyway and after LOTS of handloading have found it shoots 168gr hornady bthp match bullets with 42.2 gr of varget in LC cases into between 1-1.75" @ 100. That being said I think I got lucky with a very good example of a standard model as I have two close friends who also have them and theirs usually shoot about 2.5 moa (but they don't handload either). YMMV
     
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    I got this early M1a in 1982 used and it was made in 1979 using all Gi parts except receiver and barrel . In 1989 after putting a few thousand rounds thru it I sent it to Smith enterprise for a "national Match" tune up with a new barrel ect. they were using at the time. I have put maybe 2000 more rounds thru it and it loosened up in the tight fiberglass bedding so it shoots Federal 168 match into about an inch and a half with the NMatch sights back in 1999 when I started to loosen up to in the eyesight business :banghead:
    Anyway this is what duty it is relagated to nowadeays, it is shot very rarely but with the Surefire IR booster I put on it the Israeli souped up ANPVS2 can print 1.5 MOA 100 yard groups, in the dark ! :evil:
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    I could only wish! An early 70's muscle car versus some rice burner? Classic muscle car wins out every time...even with 42 year old technology!! :neener:
     
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    Very cool and very unique setup Gordon. When I first joined the Army, the AN/PVS-4 was the staple night vision scope, man they were big!
     
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    The PVS-2 is still a bit larger and heavier than the PVS-4. Here's mine on my AR-15A2 and M1A. The PVS-2 really doesn't have any adjustments on the scope itself and all windage and elevation adjustments are made on the mount.

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    "...probably going to want optics..." Not all courses of fire allow optics.
    What's the guy's budget? M21's are nothing more than a marketing thing, just like SA Inc.'s daft SOCOM. I'd be thinking Loaded with a walnut stock myself. Remember that the kid will need good match grade ammo too. 168's out to 600. And that SA voids the warrantee if he uses reloads.
     
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    I have an LRB M14 with TRW parts. It's accurate and will do all I ever ask for it. Why AR guys have to jump in a poo poo anything else can get old.

    I also have true bolt-action sniper rifles, plus nice sporter rifles such as a Pedersen M3500 or a humble Western Field 720 in 7mm Mag.

    The M14 makes a superb semi-auto 308 rifle.
     
  22. IndianaBoy

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    Well I probably should have suggested a Remington 700 because the Original Poster gave the criteria of shooting to 600 yards, and that would be the most cost effective way to do it accurately.

    I opted instead to suggest an AR-10 because that was the closest option to the M1A without dealing with absurdly high chin weld, wonky scope mounts, wandering zero, and inconsistent cold bore shots.

    If he doesn't care about energy but needs a semi-auto, he could accomplish the same thing cheaper by buying an AR-15.

    Or he can press the easy button and get a Remington 700 P or SPS.



    Or he can buy an M1A and either shoehorn a scope onto it, or pretend that he can actually see any target other than an enormous contrasting target silhouette at 600 yards, and pretend that iron sights are really a viable solution for shooting things at 600 yards in the real world.

    :banghead:
     
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    My m1a scout with a 18" barrel will hit a human size target at 600 yeards with open sights. I tried 1k but the sights aint that good. If i had my enfield i could. I run steel cased tula and all kinds of the zqi turkish ammo. Never had a hiccup
     
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    I loved my M14 44 years ago, love my standard loaded Springfield Armory M1A.....I see all the crap added to them and how much they take from the beautiful effectiveweapon.....I will honor the weapon and keep it the way it was meant to be....beautiful weapon with walnut stock....call me old school....I love and respect this weapon the m14/M1A
     
  25. Ash

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    Indiana, I guess some of us are just better shots with a semi-auto.

    You may not appreciate the thrill of hitting a target with irons. Accurate shooting with irons is a pleasure all its own.

    If ultimate accuracy is all you want, then mount an action in an immovable rest. After all, when will folks realize that practical accuracy is just so limiting when you actually hold a rifle, nobody will do so. Then, let's be honest, cartridge rifles are themselves so limiting. Only true accuracy comes with a laser mounted in a stationary rest that weighs 500 pounds.
     
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