which Ruger??? OM 357 or NM 45 colt

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I have a chance at either

Ruger OM blackhawk 357 6.5 barrel, kind of rough, some scratches on the cylinder, a little worn bluing, It has been converted to a transfer bar, cheap nylon holster No box or nothin' $229

Ruger NM Bisley blackhawk 45 colt 7.5 barrel, LNIB w/box $299

I reload both and enjoy both, but bank of wife says no to both

+ I have to sell my Taurus Tracker in 45 colt
 
Get the one with the BIG hole in the end of it. It can handle low powered 'cowboy' loads for plinking all the way up to very high end loads that will do for hunting BIG animals. I have both and I would NOT part with my Ruger Bisley .45 Colt as it is too accurate and too versatile.

Have fun!
 
I agree, get the 45.

The OM converted to transfer bar is like, well, this is a family channel so we will just say "it isn't the same as it used to be".

You haven't had fun till you have heaved some 325 grain bullets at 1200 FPS or MORE!!! That old Colt cartridge is a winner for sure. From puff loads for the young ladies to boomer loads that scare small towns, it will do it all.

Check the throats and get them to .4525-.453" if you like to shoot lead bullets. That and a Belt Mountain base pin will take care of all modifications needed or desired.

Get a pound of H110/W296 and a pound of Lil Gun. Get some heavy bullets and have fun.
 
Frankly, I'm going to recommend both and neither. What I, or anyone else likes best doesn't matter. It's a case of you picking the one YOU LIKE BEST.

Both have good and bad points. The .45 Bisley-Blackhawk is a BIG gun, especially with a 7 1/2" barrel. I have my eye out for one of these because I've got an extra fluted cylinder and 4 5/8" barrel waiting to make a conversion. .45's are fun, but not always easy to pack around.

The .357 is smaller and lighter, easier to pack, and has the regular S.A. hanner and handle. Even though it has a transfer bar you can still load from the half-cock position, which I like better then the New Model.

But again, what I like doesn't count. Pick out you're own first choice. Don't worry, you won't go wrong.
 
Ditto what OF says...two different guns here for two different purposes.

The main problem with the OM 357, in my opinion, is the barrel length. Basically, that gun is (or has the potential to be) a handy-sized packin' pistol but for that purpose, it really needs a 4.68" or at most 5.5" barrel. With the long tube, the "easy packin'" part of the equation is...lacking, if not entirely gone.

Now, if that OM has a flat-top frame, BUY IT. Period, end of discussion, if only for trade goods. "Flat-top" means the rear sight and topstrap are flat rather than the sight being a bit raised and two "wings" on either side of the rear sight (which on a flattop is still adjustable).

Another valuable difference on some older OMs is an "XR3" grip frame instead of "XR3-RED" which is what the 45 will have. The XR3 is almost identical to the Colt SAA grip and with fitting can take Colt grip panels (so long as they're two-piece versus one-piece). Being smaller, it is particularly well suited to "pinkie under" SA shooters (strong-hand pinkie slung under the grip). The transition from XR3 to XR3-RED happened after the flat-tops vanished but long before the New Model, so there's a small number of "transition guns" with the modern-type rear sight but XR3 grip frame. In this case, spotting which grip type is on the OM is easy: compare it to the NM. If they're the same, then you have a late OM on your hands of no particular collector value...you could chop the barrel even with the ejector housing (4.68") down the road, in which case that gun would really make sense.

So flattops are VERY valuable, guns with an XR3 grip but otherwise post-flattop are less so but uncommon enough that it's probably still good trade stuff and you might like the smaller grip for yourself.

The NM in 45 with that long barrel will get up a MASSIVE head of steam :). That'll make a superb hunting gun and with basic mods (Belt Mountain base pin, cylinder throat job and maybe springs, well under $100 for the lot) you'll get damned fine accuracy.
 
I agree with Jim March’s and Old Fluff’s comments, and would like to add one other thought for your consideration: ammunition and ammo costs.

I own a single .45 Colt (a Smith 625-9 Mountain Gun), which I love. I agree the .45 Colt provides a wide variety of ammo options, ranging from mild cowboy loads to defensive rounds that rival the .44 magnum. To illustrate, I currently carry a standard pressure (not +P) Georgia Arms 200 grain Gold Dot that provides 1100 FPS muzzle velocity – and that is toward the “low end†of the .45 Colt defensive spectrum. Further, the .45 Colt can be employed for a wide-variety of uses: Cowboy, target/plinking, hunting, personal defense, and so forth.

I also own six (three S&Ws and three Rugers) .357 magnums. The Ruger GP-100s and the Smith 27-2 and Special Edition 627s are wonderful revolvers, my personal favorites among all sidearms. While I prefer “lager, slower†handgun rounds (.45 Colt and .45 ACP), there is simply no way to ignore two great advantages of the .357 magnum:
(1) It does so many things – target and plinking, small- and mid-size game hunting, and especially personal defense – SO well. Top-rated .357 JHPs (such as Gold Dots, Sierras, Silvertips, HydraShoks, and Golden Sabers) remain (IMHO) the “standard of comparison†for defensive handguns round effectiveness.
(2) The ammunition choices (.38 Special and .357 magnum) provide a HUGE variety of options – and they are inexpensive. While this is much less of a concern if you reload, the fact is the .45 “long†Colt is quite expensive to shoot, while the availability and cost of excellent quality .38 Special target/plinking rounds (examples include 130 grain FMJs from S&B, Winchester USA (white box), and Federal American Eagle) make a weekly 200+ round range and/or field session “budget reasonableâ€.

To summarize, both calibers have advantages; however, if you do not reload, I would opt for the .357 magnum, due to both the cost of ammunition and the wide-range of uses (a virtual also shared by the .45 Colt).
 
I reload for both 45 and 357, plus I have a S&W 13 and 586 in 357 so I have defence and light weight hunting covered and my K38 covers target shooting and my M&P 1905 covers plinkin' so I want either a woods walking handgun, which my 586 could cover, or a Large bore thunder pipe.


I am tending toward the 45.
 
I think Jim March pretty well laid it out for you. Only thing I can add is, that seems like a lot of money for a beat up converted old model (unless it is a Flat Top), and that's a good price for a LNIB Bisley. Myself I would get the Bisley, because I like them and I don't have much use for a .357. :)
 
OOPS! I somehow missed that the 45 is a Bisley!

That means you can't compare the two grips to see if the OM is XR3 vs. XR3-RED...not unless the shop has any of the following around that definately have XR3-REDs:

New Model Single Six (all "plowhandle grip" models except for a short run of 32Cal "Vaqueroish-sights" models).

New Model Blackhawk

Vaquero with standard plowhandle grip (versus bird's-head or Bisley)

SuperBlackhawk with 4.68" or 5.5" barrels (longer barrels have a larger SBH-specific grip).

It's not easy to tell at first glance if an OM 357 has the XR3 grips or not.
 
If I recall right, and I'm NOT a serious student of old Ruger lore but I seem to recall...the XR3s were transitioned out across 1965 and 66 as parts ran out. It was basically a crapshoot what you got...all sorts of transitional parts combos were seen in that period and some people are anal enough to collect 'em :).

Anyways. Better make sure. Year-codes may not be a good indicator of what's up.
 
Hello All-

Perfessr, I've been thinking about this situation while
at the dinner table. ;) Partner, if it were MY decision
as to which to get I believe I'd have to go with the
.45 caliber Bisley. :D

If you decided on the "old model" .357, then you just
might have to invest a few $$$ to get it to your own
satisfaction? :uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
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