Which two out of these four for CCW (Glock 30SF, Glock 30SF, Glock 27, Ruger LCP 380)

[Sheepdog1968]

I live in a liberal county in CA. I am nearing the completion of my CCW process and am down to the qualification shooting. I will most likely be allowed to have only two guns listed on my CCW including the serial numbers.

I have lots of firearms training so I can shoot them just fine. I'm trying to avoid a caliber war.

The Glock 30SF OWB carry in training classes doesn't feel heavy. I already have a milt sparks IWB holster and a milt sparks 1.5" belt for it. Thus one of the two will be the Glock 30 SF.

What would you choose for the other one? My options include Glock 30SF (I own more than one of this model), Glock 27, and Ruger LCP 380. I already own these so these and I'm not looking to buy something else. I see advantages for all the options. What are your thoughts for the second one? Many thanks for the input.

 

[Delford]

Is it me or am I seeing the G30SF twice? Other than that why not stay with Glock. I'd go with the 27 because I like medium calibers. I CC .45ACP.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Is it me or am I seeing the G30SF twice? Other than that why not stay with Glock. I'd go with the 27 because I like medium calibers. I CC .45ACP.

I own several Glock 30SFs. I am not fixated on Glock per se. The options I've listed are the other pistols I,own. I don't really want to buy another pistol.

 

[MedWheeler]

Oh, so you're considering listing two identical pistols on your permit? Kinda makes sense, as your backup weapon you'd resort to after losing your primary to theft or a shooting investigation would require no "re-orientation" to its manual-of-arms.

I'm not a Glock guy, and really don't know the sizes of those you own. However, if they're substantially bigger than the LCP, I'd put the little Ruger down there. Might as well have an even-deeper-concealment option open to you..

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Oh, so you're considering listing two identical pistols on your permit? Kinda makes sense, as your backup weapon you'd resort to after losing your primary to theft or a shooting investigation would require no "re-orientation" to its manual-of-arms.

I'm not a Glock guy, and really don't know the sizes of those you own. However, if they're substantially bigger than the LCP, I'd put the little Ruger down there. Might as well have an even-deeper-concealment option open to you..

That would be the advantage of having two Glock 30SFs as you point out.

The advantage of having a Glock 27 as the second one would be it is a bit smaller.

The advantage of the Ruger LCP 380 is true pocket carry capability like you mention(Desantis nemesis pocket holster and nothing else in that pocket) and would make it nice as I would likely then carry two guns at any given time.

I don't think the G30SF would be too heavy and even in warm summer weather (mostly 90s) I should be ok with what I normally wear.

I really wish I could have more than two active CCW options at any given time.

 

[guyfromohio]

If you can only carry the two, I'd have one for a different purpose.....one G30sF and one mouse gun for when discretion is paramount.

 

[WYO]

If you can only carry the two, I'd have one for a different purpose.....one G30sF and one mouse gun for when discretion is paramount.

Totally agree. I would take the LCP for the second one.

 

[MICHAEL T]

2 x Ruger works for me

 

[Deog]

30sf and 27 , just because.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Glock 27 gen 04 handy .....

I'd opt for a Glock 27 gen 04. You can buy after market conversion barrels like KKM, Storm Lake, Lone Wolf Dist then fire 9x19mm, .40 or .357sig from your sub compact 27 pistol.
I might get a gen 04 Glock 23 .40 later this year then convert it to 9mm for security work.

 

[bannockburn]

I would probably opt for the smaller LCP as your second choice for concealed carry.

 

[huntsman]

My MO is pocket carry always add sidearm occasionally.

 

[tarosean]

Is it easy to change the weapons listed on your permit?

Since you've never carried before, It will boil down to what works best for you and is comfortable. Could be any of the ones you listed or not a single one of em.

Its all about the tradeoffs.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Is it easy to change the weapons listed on your permit?

Since you've never carried before, It will boil down to what works best for you and is comfortable. Could be any of the ones you listed or not a single one of em.

Its all about the tradeoffs.

Some counties are easy. I'm not sure yet. I plan to ask.

 

[1KPerDay]

LCP in a pocket holster. Smaller than a wallet.

 

[Lord Teapot]

g30 and the lcp hands down

big bore self defense and deep concealment when you need it.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Talked to the agency today. Sounds like I'm going to need a good justification on why I need to have a second firearm on the permit. I'm leaning towards the LCP 380 as the second because it's easy to toss into my pocket in the am. Also provides opportunity for if I really need discrete carry method.

I may only be able to have one on my CCW. To me, if only one, then without a doubt it's the Glock 30sf. It should be comfortable in my milt sparks holster and belt. For long road trips I will use a Lou Alessi shoulder holster that has barrel pointing down.

 

[guyfromohio]

Stating the obvious question...but why does it matter to the state? If you're allowed to own, who cares what you carry?

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Stating the obvious question...but why does it matter to the state? If you're allowed to own, who cares what you carry?

Liberal state and a liberal county.

 

[WYO]

Talked to the agency today. Sounds like I'm going to need a good justification on why I need to have a second firearm on the permit. I'm leaning towards the LCP 380 as the second because it's easy to toss into my pocket in the am. Also provides opportunity for if I really need discrete carry method.

I may only be able to have one on my CCW. To me, if only one, then without a doubt it's the Glock 30sf. It should be comfortable in my milt sparks holster and belt. For long road trips I will use a Lou Alessi shoulder holster that has barrel pointing down.

I think I would seriously reconsider if you are limited to one. I have been carrying a 30SF IWB regularly for over 3 years, but I live in a place where being made with the gun is not going to have major adverse consequences. It really is not hard to do with proper clothing and being careful, but it is not something you are going to wear easily with jeans and a tucked in shirt or when wearing a suit and you have to take the jacket off.

With only one gun on a permit, I would probably lean toward the G27, with the LCP in second place. The 30SF would be in last place from the start. Frankly, I would not have any of those on the list, but I did not want to start a thread drift on that point.

 

[fastbolt]

Stating the obvious question...but why does it matter to the state? If you're allowed to own, who cares what you carry?

Here in CA there's a requirement for the specific concealable firearms to be listed by make/model/serial number/caliber on the license. There's a provision to allow a firearm to be added/removed from a license, which means a new license can be issued (doesn't change the original length of time and expiration of the license).

It's up to the local issuing authority how many firearms may be listed (3 lines are provided on the standard license, but more can be listed, if permitted by the issuing authority).

FWIW, while there are some "standard" restrictions listed in the mandated state DOJ CCW License Application, the state allows each issuing authority to impose whatever other restrictions he/she may feel are appropriate, and those are typically listed on the individual license.

 

[fastbolt]

Talked to the agency today. Sounds like I'm going to need a good justification on why I need to have a second firearm on the permit. I'm leaning towards the LCP 380 as the second because it's easy to toss into my pocket in the am. Also provides opportunity for if I really need discrete carry method.

I may only be able to have one on my CCW. To me, if only one, then without a doubt it's the Glock 30sf. It should be comfortable in my milt sparks holster and belt. For long road trips I will use a Lou Alessi shoulder holster that has barrel pointing down.

Totally up to you and your anticipated needs.

If the issuing authority were going to permit you to list 2 firearms, I'd go with whichever of the larger ones you normally preferred, and the LCP (presuming you could shoot the LCP well in stressful and dynamic circumstances, of course).

If I were going for a "compromise" in size/concealability/comfort, I'd probably opt for the G27.

However you decide, unless your status involves a 3 year license as a judicial officer, or a 4 year license as a LE reserve (but one who isn't a designated L1 with 24/7/365 peace officer powers), you can see how you like your choice for the duration of the standard 2 year license and maybe change your mind the next time.

I've seen instances where LE were limited to only being able to list 1 choice of an off-duty weapon for qualification, so it's not something just limited to how issuing authorities deal with CCW licenses.

 

[Sheepdog1968]

Thanks Fastbolt. This info makes me feel a bit better. I also need to confirm how many they will let me shoot for the quals. One is better than none so I'm not going to get too worked up over it.

 

[george burns]

Having had or having now, a 30, 30 S, 26, 27, and the LCP. The 30 is what you want for everything. The S can be had "if you are patient" for a "wash" if you sell it on arms list and buy an S on slickguns. You should break even. The 30 is as easy to carry as the 27, and needless to point out, it's a 45. There is no way that in todays world an LCP, is adequate protection, god forbid you really need a gun.
Stick with what you know will work best. The 30 is not as nasty a recoil than the 27, and has 11 rounds of 45 vs 9 of 40. I would stick with the 30 for both jobs.
I would give the LCP to the wife just to have her armed in todays world,. It sounds like you don't have much of a problem there. I would not sacrifice the amount of firepower for the annoyance of wearing a cover garment. Ten years ago I would have said it doesn't matter, but today we live in a different world.

 

[fastbolt]

Thanks Fastbolt. This info makes me feel a bit better. I also need to confirm how many they will let me shoot for the quals. One is better than none so I'm not going to get too worked up over it.

De nada.

It can just depend on the policies/preferences of the issuing authority (Sheriff or Chief) issuing your license, and that can vary from one jurisdiction to the next (or one agency's administration to the next).

There's been a growing number of agencies who have decided to out-source their CCW training, often providing a list of agency-approved vendors to the approved applicant. This may also include the range portion/qualification part of the training. (Although I've also heard of agencies who still require their own in-house qual course-of-fire for licensees after they successfully complete an approved outside class. Like I said, it just depends.)

The best source of info relevant to you is from the specific agency issuing yours.

I've heard of all manner of variations up and down the state, and it seems like it can change at any time.

I've heard of an agency who restricted the type of concealable firearm permitted (revolver or semiauto pistol), the calibers (minimum and maximum calibers), the number of firearms ... and, of course, any additional restrictions and limitations that may be desired by a particular agency, either in general or for a particular licensee.

I no longer have any interest in teaching classes for CCW applicants (initial or renewal) but I've recently been talking with other instructors in & out of LE about the emerging trends here in CA. A lot of the firearms instructors in my "age & experience" group seem to be taking a "wait & see" position before deciding if they want to consider getting involved in the growing commercial/private student market.

All that aside, best of luck to you.

Once the process is successfully behind you (and until renewal time quickly comes around ), you might carefully consider some judicious choices of some further training. Nothing that would raise red flags to be raised when the next background is done (ought to be self-explanatory). Something carefully selected to increase your knowledge and practical skillset, as well as some legal updates and possibly some practical understanding and grasp of relevant tactics for the private citizen forced to use deadly force in defense of self or an innocent third person(s).

Maybe some enjoyable weekend excursions to any local IDPA events? (No reason you can't enjoy some fun.)