Who else is gettting fed up with the "their coming to get our guns" emails,

[dpetty121263]

They are not coming for your guns just your paycheck as at some point they will feel the need to impose a gun and ammo tax and it will be high!! Now if you wish to stop paying those awful gun taxes just turn in your guns to your local police or IRS office and we will stop imposing the ownership tax. Oh once you turn in your firearms you can never own\purchase a weapon again.

 

[LibShooter]

I've never heard of a proposed federal firearm tax. That would be an enforcement nightmare. It might be possible to impose a tax levied at the point of sale. But one you get a gun home, I don't see how they could get any more money from you.

 

[ArmedBear]

But one you get a gun home, I don't see how they could get any more money from you.

You're not very creative, are you?

I don't think they're going to do it tomorrow, but to think that they couldn't? This isn't the 19th Century.

 

[miamiboy]

Well said camslam.

 

[LibShooter]

Unless there is a big change in public opinion, I don't think there will ever be enough votes in congress to pass an ongoing gun tax.

 

[Balrog]

Votes in Congress do not reflect public opinion. Look at healthcare reform. It is about to be passed by a majority in Congress.

 

[ants]

It is about to be passed by a majority in Congress.

...and the majority in Congress is about to be passed along, too.

 

[ArmedBear]

Note that the majority in Congress was passed along in 1994, and the AWB was one contributing factor.

Did it get repealed? Nope.

 

[ArmedBear]

Unless there is a big change in public opinion, I don't think there will ever be enough votes in congress to pass an ongoing gun tax.

True or not, that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether such a tax could be collected. That's what you first posted about.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

But cry-wolf e-mails and unfounded conspiracy theories are equally silly.

 

[Tommygunn]

Unless there is a big change in public opinion, I don't think there will ever be enough votes in congress to pass an ongoing gun tax.

Well .... While it seems to me that it would be only remotely conceivable that the goobermint will pass a gun tax .... maybe less likely a ban or confiscation will happen ... due to the fact that it would be against the will of the majority of the population ............

......I consider that currently Obama & his minions are trying to stuff a healthcare insurance bill through kongress that is opposed by a majority of the people.

Okay, I know this doesn't necessarily translate into a "yes there WILL BE a gun ban," but it just makes me wonder if there is ever any validity to the idea that the popularity of an idea has any bearing on its chances of becoming law.

IMHO there are a lot of arrogant, sanctimonious powermongers in the government who are bound and determined to do what they think is right, no matter what ........



Just saying ....

KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.​

 

[rogertc1]

One never knows the future.
Now that gun and ammo prices have come back down almost to the pre-election levels it is the time to BUY. I am. But I love guns too and am on a mission of buying them all.
With Obama and Democrats in it could happen.
So feeling lucky?

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=305&issue=047

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Just don't get so fed up that we become complacent and don't act when it IS needed.

 

[LibShooter]

What I meant to say was a continuing tax personal firearms would be impossible to pass, partly because it would be nearly impossible to collect.

It would also be very unpopular with a few loud and well funded lobbies.

And it would be unpopular with so many voters that it would not be worth the political capital required to pass such a thing.

Add all those to the fact that it might not even be Constitutional, and the chances of it happening are pretty low, in my estimation. I could be wrong.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

I tell people not to send me those emails, plain and simple.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Britain got a ban on handguns not because a majority of the citizens wanted it, but because the minority that wanted it was loud and shrill and the minority of lawful gun owners was silent and hoped the furor would pass away. The politicians listened to the loud minority.

I have had to tell people that HR45 was like the bill to repeal the 2nd Amendment, dead in committee and not moving.

 

[waldonbuddy]

I think as far as "them" comming for our guns, the major thing I would look for is when all communication shuts down at once.

No internet, no cell phones, lan line phones, etc. all shutting down at the same thime.

That would be a code red to me.

 

[Calibre44]

It starts with registration. Once they know where the guns are they will ban certain types and come and get them. If you don’t hand them in then you will be classed as a criminal and they’ll take the lot! If you keep a banned gun and someone tells the Gov you’ll get thrown in jail and all your guns will go.

It starts with registration … be warned!

Carl N. Brown wrote: Britain got a ban on handguns not because a majority of the citizens wanted it, but because the minority that wanted it was loud and shrill and the minority of lawful gun owners was silent and hoped the furor would pass away. The politicians listened to the loud minority.

Quite correct. The groundswell of public anger towards gun owners when the infants were murdered in the Dunblane massacre was overwhelming. We were made to feel guilty because the victims were minors. It was the beginning of the end for handgun ownership.

 

[waldonbuddy]

It starts with registration. Once they know where the guns are they will ban certain types and come and get them. If you don’t hand them in then you will be classed as a criminal and they’ll take the lot! If you keep a banned gun and someone tells the Gov you’ll get thrown in jail and all your guns will go.

It starts with registration … be warned!


Quite correct. The groundswell of public anger towards gun owners when the infants were murdered in the Dunblane massacre was overwhelming. We were made to feel guilty because the victims were minors. It was the beginning of the end for handgun ownership.

This is something that I have a question about. What is the difference between registering a gun over having to do the Fed check that is required when you buy a gun?

I mean, the FBI already knows who has what anyway and any other gov. branch could get that information at any time.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Because NICS is prohibited from retaining data. I believe the data is kept for 24 hours and scrubbed.

waldonbuddy
This is something that I have a question about. What is the difference between registering a gun over having to do the Fed check that is required when you buy a gun?

I mean, the FBI already knows who has what anyway and any other gov. branch could get that information at any time.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

What I see as being the problem is that every time some anti-gunner in the government says something negative about guns is that a swarm of paranoid pro-gun folks put out a series of emails and make posts on forums proclaiming how that person (or group) is trying to bring the downfall of gun ownership and how we must fight it. Even when that incident is no longer timely and even though it may have only been a comment, the "scare" keeps getting recycled in an almost endless loop, apparently by do-gooders who think that by passing on the email spam and reposting is for everyone's benefit, even though they haven't bothered to verify the accuracy or timeliness of the information.

It is 2010 and I am still getting emails warning of the last 2009 bill that gets submitted and rejected every year to Congress.

 

[ClayInTX]

Quote Post #44
Because NICS is prohibited from retaining data. I believe the data is kept for 24 hours and scrubbed.
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During that 24 hours the data is available to be copied by another government agency and retained in its files. Blocking access to others isn’t guaranteed.

Even though I agree that scare-mail does much harm it's best to remain vigilant.

 

[Onward Allusion]

Yup - Couldn't agree with you more. NCIS is prohibited - however, I couldn't find anything that says other agencies couldn't copy during the 24 hrs. The other thing is that I read somewhere that multiple checks within the 24 hours is a red flag. I do not recall where, though. Maybe someone else knows.

ClayInTX

During that 24 hours the data is available to be copied by another government agency and retained in its files. Blocking access to others isn’t guaranteed.

Even though I agree that scare-mail does much harm it's best to remain vigilant.

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Because NICS is prohibited from retaining data. I believe the data is kept for 24 hours and scrubbed.

 

[Artiz]

3. Ask the people in England, Australia, Canada, or any number of other areas in the world where gun rights are an afterthought and have no strength anymore if they were prepared or thought the loss of their gun rights would ever happen.

I'm sorry but guns are not anywhere near being banned in Canada. They (socialists) would have to get a majority vote to do this, and at this time, the conservatives are getting the majority of the votes.
The UN is pretty busy right now and will be for more than a year, so their worldwide gun ban agenda is going to wait too.
We have more and more members at our local gun club, and most of them are women, so that tells a lot about how people see guns right now in Canada.

And a Canada wide gun ban would cost tens of billions of dollars. We (not me) already messed up by developping a 2 (soon to be 3)billion $ registry, taking guns away from every gun owner will cost more than anything in history, and tax payers don't want to pay that.

 

[miamivicedade]

The bottom line is that we can never let up. I live in Illinois where we see 2 or 3 times every legislative session, major attempts to restrict firearms ownership through massive taxes, banning private sales, gun show closings, chicago gun ban rallies, cook county's anti gun shop stance, etc, etc, etc, etc. When one thing doesnt work, they try another. And when that doesnt work, they go back to what they tried before. The truth is that we always have to be on the offensive. Those who hate guns do not understand them. They use terms like semi-automatic, and they think they are talking about holding the trigger and bullets flying out. How many times has your neighbor, legislator, friend, whomever, use the term assault weapon when refering to an AR-15. These people don't know what they are talking about, and pass bad information, which adds more fuel to the anti-gun fire. We must always act as if they are coming for them, because they always are. Sometimes it is more clandestine than it is at other times. Sometimes its through taxes. . . anyone who has a FOID card knows what im talking about.

 

[cornman]

Paranoia keeps the fat cats at the NRA going and the nutjobs on the radio able to fill the hours of diarrhia of the mouth.