Who killed the deer? Story, prize
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how solve the story
Look at what Azrael256 posted. The poor .gif is beating his head against the wall it is so easy. Others have said when there is so much information, the answer is most likekly to be simple. I quoted Sherlock Holmes
Here goes:
We elminated Larry right away. I put this in because it is true but also to get ya'll thinking about a bullet's weight which is not revelant. This is called a red herring in a story. In the 1920's stocks were sold with big red letters across the front of the prospectise talking about how well the new company will do while the fact is it was going to buy, say, something like today's Enron stock, would be buried somewhere. Hence, the name "Red herring" came up. What I just said has nothing about the deer story, do not pay any attention to it. It is a true, but useless, fact.
Someone pointed out that a M-77 has a 6 groove bbl. If a $130 Ruger has 6 grooves, do you think a $210 Ithaca based on a SAKO action will have less? (Prices then). So, we are left with a BAR and a M-94. The Only positive proof will have to be that one has 4 lands and grooves. Laying up a 1:12 twist fired bullet .30-30 against a 1:10 with just a jacket availible is not good enough without a microscope or quality measuring tools.
Then we come to the logic of the day, which one has only four lands and grooves. This is a trival pursuit question for gun nuts. I am sure that many a dollar has changed hands when someone said "I'll bet that my $88 Winchester M-94 has more grooves that your expensive BAR."
If the wager had been "I'll bet my Marlin has more lands and grooves that your
(insert name of famous expensive rifle here), you would have figured it out as EVERYONE knows many Marlins have 16 of them.
I will give you the answer this way today:
I fired once, then Bill stepped out of the cabin of the truck. By then Terry was blasting away in front of the truck on its right which was barely on the two ruts we called a "farm road" in the field, 3000 feet from the nearest paved road. Bill moved to Terry's right and fired once, missing. By then Grace had gotten out of the truck and waited for hopefully husband-to-be to take a shot, (hey, they will still dating then,). When Bill missed, Grace took her single shot, missing. With the deer getting out of sight, Bill said to himself "hey, settle down, Terry ain't gonna hit it like that". So Bill took one more carefully aimed shot and the deer was then out of sight. We could not determine by any impact if it was even hit until we found the dead deer in the woods. By this account Bill has the best chance of being the one who hit it.
Also, that was then and is now. Today, hunters who see a giant deer while driving about on their farm might say that it is not fair chase and wait until the deer gets out of sight and then stalk it and track it. Deer were very scarce in Wisconsin back in 1973 when this really happened. The deer harvest hit 100,000 for the first time in 1962. Just elevan years prior. Harvest dropped below 100,000 several times in late 1960s. We were not going to let this one get away. To tell this story at the bar that night with the ending going "Yeah, we saw a big buck on the farm, but since we were in a truck and had not stalked up on it we all let it go". Everyone and I mean everyone would laughed at us until we left. It would have been them who would have said when they got home "mama, you are not going to believe what these "sportsmen hunters" did. They saw a giant deer and let it go because they had not been walking for at least twenty minutes before they got out of their truck."
Now read this VERY CAREFULLY.
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What I have just written is an interesting story but it is MEANLESS to solving the puzzle of who killed the deer. ALL OF IT IS A RED HERRING.
So, if you did not know, it is easy to look it up or call someone who has a BAR or a Win. M -94 an ask them to look down the bbl. The rifle that has only 4 grooves is the winner.
If one of the three people who have figured it out do not come forward, I'll just tell you tommorow, but it is a lot like buying a $5 novel, reading the last five pages and throwing it away because you know the end.
Ken
Look at what Azrael256 posted. The poor .gif is beating his head against the wall it is so easy. Others have said when there is so much information, the answer is most likekly to be simple. I quoted Sherlock Holmes
Here goes:
We elminated Larry right away. I put this in because it is true but also to get ya'll thinking about a bullet's weight which is not revelant. This is called a red herring in a story. In the 1920's stocks were sold with big red letters across the front of the prospectise talking about how well the new company will do while the fact is it was going to buy, say, something like today's Enron stock, would be buried somewhere. Hence, the name "Red herring" came up. What I just said has nothing about the deer story, do not pay any attention to it. It is a true, but useless, fact.
Someone pointed out that a M-77 has a 6 groove bbl. If a $130 Ruger has 6 grooves, do you think a $210 Ithaca based on a SAKO action will have less? (Prices then). So, we are left with a BAR and a M-94. The Only positive proof will have to be that one has 4 lands and grooves. Laying up a 1:12 twist fired bullet .30-30 against a 1:10 with just a jacket availible is not good enough without a microscope or quality measuring tools.
Then we come to the logic of the day, which one has only four lands and grooves. This is a trival pursuit question for gun nuts. I am sure that many a dollar has changed hands when someone said "I'll bet that my $88 Winchester M-94 has more grooves that your expensive BAR."
If the wager had been "I'll bet my Marlin has more lands and grooves that your
(insert name of famous expensive rifle here), you would have figured it out as EVERYONE knows many Marlins have 16 of them.
I will give you the answer this way today:
I fired once, then Bill stepped out of the cabin of the truck. By then Terry was blasting away in front of the truck on its right which was barely on the two ruts we called a "farm road" in the field, 3000 feet from the nearest paved road. Bill moved to Terry's right and fired once, missing. By then Grace had gotten out of the truck and waited for hopefully husband-to-be to take a shot, (hey, they will still dating then,). When Bill missed, Grace took her single shot, missing. With the deer getting out of sight, Bill said to himself "hey, settle down, Terry ain't gonna hit it like that". So Bill took one more carefully aimed shot and the deer was then out of sight. We could not determine by any impact if it was even hit until we found the dead deer in the woods. By this account Bill has the best chance of being the one who hit it.
Also, that was then and is now. Today, hunters who see a giant deer while driving about on their farm might say that it is not fair chase and wait until the deer gets out of sight and then stalk it and track it. Deer were very scarce in Wisconsin back in 1973 when this really happened. The deer harvest hit 100,000 for the first time in 1962. Just elevan years prior. Harvest dropped below 100,000 several times in late 1960s. We were not going to let this one get away. To tell this story at the bar that night with the ending going "Yeah, we saw a big buck on the farm, but since we were in a truck and had not stalked up on it we all let it go". Everyone and I mean everyone would laughed at us until we left. It would have been them who would have said when they got home "mama, you are not going to believe what these "sportsmen hunters" did. They saw a giant deer and let it go because they had not been walking for at least twenty minutes before they got out of their truck."
Now read this VERY CAREFULLY.
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What I have just written is an interesting story but it is MEANLESS to solving the puzzle of who killed the deer. ALL OF IT IS A RED HERRING.
So, if you did not know, it is easy to look it up or call someone who has a BAR or a Win. M -94 an ask them to look down the bbl. The rifle that has only 4 grooves is the winner.
If one of the three people who have figured it out do not come forward, I'll just tell you tommorow, but it is a lot like buying a $5 novel, reading the last five pages and throwing it away because you know the end.
Ken
thereisnospoon
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I have another headahce, a Red Herring headache!:banghead:
Chipperman
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...sour cream is the best.
Oh, OK. The answer must be Bill then. Because he likes sour cream on his baked potato, and his BAR has four grooves.
Oh, OK. The answer must be Bill then. Because he likes sour cream on his baked potato, and his BAR has four grooves.
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BigFatKen
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We have a winner!!!!!!!
Chipperman is the first with both the shooter and right reason answer. He even knew Bill likes sour cream. Would have gotten a bonus if he guessed Bill and Grace can eat a pint on two baked potatoes.
If anyone thinks my last post was too long, I'm sorry. I was not doing what we called "road hunting" by 1970's standards and I did not like Camp David for the way he put it.
If anyone wants me to make them a site, I'll do it for free to get the practice.
See http://www.alabamabass.com/Mercer_Rentals for an example.
Ken
Chipperman is the first with both the shooter and right reason answer. He even knew Bill likes sour cream. Would have gotten a bonus if he guessed Bill and Grace can eat a pint on two baked potatoes.
If anyone thinks my last post was too long, I'm sorry. I was not doing what we called "road hunting" by 1970's standards and I did not like Camp David for the way he put it.
If anyone wants me to make them a site, I'll do it for free to get the practice.
See http://www.alabamabass.com/Mercer_Rentals for an example.
Ken
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Try to be a little more understanding when reading a post
From my first post. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=169480
This comment reminds me of the story of a man who, many years ago made a new telescope. He looked at Venus for a long time and only saw clouds. This was like Earth must have been in the time of the dinosours. Observation: clouds. Conclusion: dinosaurs.
This was a "hunting story", not a transcript from a Court case. I bring this up as hunting season is coming fast upon us. In this case, the truck was in two ruts in a hay field 3000 feet from a dirt road on which Wisconsin allowed hunting from in 1973. There was a disabled Serviceman, home on leave, in the truck with a valid State permit to shoot from the truck. I saw no need to clog the flow of the story with what I thought was irrelevant noise.
When the Serviceman shot the second time, the deer stumbled, as if wounded. That is when the others opened fire while standing in the field. The deer was 280 yards out, clearly out of range of the 30-30 user who shot nine times. A post mortem showed a wound to the front leg. Too low.
This type of hurtful follow up post served no useful purpose and has stuck with me for almost a year now. It almost made me quit THR.
Obvervation: Man shoots from truck. Conclusion: pretty pathetic!
Let's try to be a little more gentlemanly here on THR !
From my first post. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=169480
This comment reminds me of the story of a man who, many years ago made a new telescope. He looked at Venus for a long time and only saw clouds. This was like Earth must have been in the time of the dinosours. Observation: clouds. Conclusion: dinosaurs.
This was a "hunting story", not a transcript from a Court case. I bring this up as hunting season is coming fast upon us. In this case, the truck was in two ruts in a hay field 3000 feet from a dirt road on which Wisconsin allowed hunting from in 1973. There was a disabled Serviceman, home on leave, in the truck with a valid State permit to shoot from the truck. I saw no need to clog the flow of the story with what I thought was irrelevant noise.
When the Serviceman shot the second time, the deer stumbled, as if wounded. That is when the others opened fire while standing in the field. The deer was 280 yards out, clearly out of range of the 30-30 user who shot nine times. A post mortem showed a wound to the front leg. Too low.
This type of hurtful follow up post served no useful purpose and has stuck with me for almost a year now. It almost made me quit THR.
Obvervation: Man shoots from truck. Conclusion: pretty pathetic!
Let's try to be a little more gentlemanly here on THR !
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Forgive me for being stupid, but I still don't quite get the answer. Who was it, and why?
Chipperman
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Wow, here's a blast from the past!
The recovered bullet had 4 rifling grooves. Only one of the guns being used could have made that pattern (The BAR).
The recovered bullet had 4 rifling grooves. Only one of the guns being used could have made that pattern (The BAR).
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Am I the only guy here who gets BigFatKen and BigGayAl confused?
Hell, I made it almost all the way through this thread just being impressed - because I don't personally know any gay guys who enjoy deer hunting.
Hell, I made it almost all the way through this thread just being impressed - because I don't personally know any gay guys who enjoy deer hunting.
Nio
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The only thing obvious to me is that some folks need more practice. That's a lot of ammo just to kill one critter...
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