who loves Ted Nugent?

[tomrkba]

When we are trying to present a front of unified reason and logical thinking

This mentality does not work at all with the MSM. It may work on an individual level with *some* people and it may work in court (though the courts are more into what they think they can get away with). However, the "gun issue" is an emotional one for the vast majority of people. They tend to vote emotionally. Fortunately for our side, they dilute their vote for any number of issues that come up in an election.

 

[Cosmoline]

He's an aging 70's rocker, and will always play the part of rebel and bad boy. From making outrageous statements to the press to getting himself cited for hunting violations. But he is what he is. He has every right to express his beliefs. At the same time we need to be wary of MSM efforts to make him our official spokesman. And he needs to be clear that he's not speaking for any organization or movement.

 

[12131]

12131...Are you saaying that John McCain is a traitor??? How so?
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I'm sure you follow McCain's politics in recent years. If not, then you can do your own homework. That's all I'm going to say about it. Not gonna derail this thread into something that will get locked.

 

[X-Rap]

Until the NRA has 50 million active members the 2a movement needs the loud megaphone that people like Ted carry. Those freeloaders being absent he brings things to the table that most of us don't and that's a good thing IMO.
Public faces that people can relate to in some way are helpful to any movement. So far as I'm concerned we suffer from a viral infection of political correctness and Ted is part of the cure.
Case in point (Missouri Rodeo Clown) nuff said.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

The antis are extreme in what they say and teach... fence sitters will easily side with a passionate argument... most of us pro 2a guys are quiet and peacefully reserved... we need someone like ted out there being extreme... even if some of us dont agree with it

 

[Haxby]

we need to be wary of MSM efforts to make him our official spokesman. And he needs to be clear that he's not speaking for any organization or movement.

The NRA has him on a "Who is the NRA Leadership?" page.

 

[Davek1977]

I never said it made sense, but common sense would tell you that if you want to get away with something, you don't broadcast it on national television.

Its makes as much sense as going on national tv saying you'll be dead or locked up if Obama is reelected.....a completely baseless statement in every way. I honestly just believe Ted is cocky enough he thought he could get away with it. I see absolutely NO indication otherwise, and nothing supports the idea he did it as a "message"....no statements made after the arrest, nothing after his guilty plea...nothing. He got caught committing a crime. He was arrested and pled guilty. There was no message involved aside from "I'm Ted Nugent, and I'm a poacher...whoopsy"

 

[JustinJ]

Ted Nugent is an idiot and an embarrassment, imo. He does little to help gun rights as the only people he appeals to are those who already believe in gun rights.

For those saying there are only two sides to this argument, get real. There are varying degrees from one extreme to the other and pretending otherwise is not constructive. Instead, it's intellectual laziness and does nothing but alienate all but zealots.

 

[jcwit]

I'd much rather have Ted on my side than someone considering which varying degree he is on regarding the gun issue.

 

[X-Rap]

I have to say no thanks to those of a "varying degree" when it come to my personal freedoms and rights. I fail to see much gray in either.

 

[SunnySlopes]

we need someone like ted out there being extreme... even if some of us dont agree with it

I think you're confused. Nobody objects to nuge's philosophy or what he's saying.

The problem is the way in which he says what he says, and the fact that his behavior back in the day will brand him forever.

He doesn't just complain re the gun issue. He complains about anything he wants to complain about. O'bummer's re-election. Goods sold in America but made in China. The list is endless. People get tired of that incessant whining and negativity. It's at the point where all he's expected to spew forth is negativity and whining. They just tune him out.

But most significantly is his behavior in his earlier years. Behavior such as wearing urine soaked clothes caked with his own fecal matter before meeting with the draft board. That behavior truly borders on psychosis, and is well known by everybody.

That's a special brand of crazy stupid. And that brand of crazy stupid isn't going to go away. You don't just forget it.

The best thing he could do for gun rights is to just vanish. Do we really want somebody (who is perceived as) crazy representing us? In anything?

 

[TennJed]

Until the NRA has 50 million active members the 2a movement needs the loud megaphone that people like Ted carry. Those freeloaders being absent he brings things to the table that most of us don't and that's a good thing IMO.
Public faces that people can relate to in some way are helpful to any movement. So far as I'm concerned we suffer from a viral infection of political correctness and Ted is part of the cure.
Case in point (Missouri Rodeo Clown) nuff said.

I wonder if he doesn't hurt the NRAs membership. IMHO they could increase it by distancing themselves from him. Like it or not, most gun owners are not the kind of people that post on gun message boards. Most gun owners are not as passionate as the average THR member. I know quite a few people that are hunters or CCW holders that do not put guns on as high of a level as you and I. But they are still important in the fight for 2A rights. We need them on our side. We need to educate them and get their interest level up. That is our job, but people like Ted can push them away. The average gun owner doesn't want to be viewed as a crazy gun "nut", and most of them view Ted as a crazy "nut".

The best thing he could do for gun rights is to just vanish. Do we really want somebody (who is perceived as) crazy representing us? In anything?

Well Said

 

[silicosys4]

I'd much rather have Ted on my side than someone considering which varying degree he is on regarding the gun issue.

Really? You'd rather have a raving lunatic at your side rather than a sane man who can argue his position in a sensible, logical, and non-insulting manner, can defend his position through facts, and can appeal to a broad base of people who could be convinced to see your point of view if spoken to like people, and not like "scumbag american traitors"?

Ted Nugent does nothing intentional to help the 2a cause. He uses the 2a as a platform to promote...HIMSELF. He satisfies his own desire to hear himself speak and to still be relevant, and uses the 2a platform to stroke his own massive ego and satisfy his craving for fame, at the expense of the reputation of gunowners everywhere.


Seriously...the "drag the enemy out into the streets and shoot them" approach ONLY appeals to people who fantasize they would be doing the dragging and shooting, and who don't stop to think about who the "enemy" actually is.

 

[NoirFan]

The antis are extreme in what they say and teach... fence sitters will easily side with a passionate argument... most of us pro 2a guys are quiet and peacefully reserved... we need someone like ted out there being extreme... even if some of us dont agree with it

How many 2nd amendment fence sitters do you know, that you would make such a statement. I have many lukewarm 2A people and a few anti-gun people in my social circle and at best they regard him him as a total joke. Not even as a worthy intellectual opponent, just a laughable non-entity.

Many people in this thread have said it already but it bears repeating: the only people impressed by Ted Nugent are those who already share his beliefs. This is not the mark of a good public face for any cause.

 

[skoro]

I'm a Nam-era veteran.

No love for Teddy "pantload" Nugent here.

 

[Davek1977]

I have many lukewarm 2A people and a few anti-gun people in my social circle and at best they regard him him as a total joke. Not even as a worthy intellectual opponent, just a laughable non-entity.

Exactly, Ted Nugent is the Alex Jones of the gun world, in many regards. Both attempt to portray themselves as "experts" in their fields. Both are widely outspoken, but often can make some very valid points....points which are immediately lost after folks hear more of what they have to say/ Their fans passionately support them, and cling to every word, while the rest of the world uses them as an stereotype of "one of those wackos"....and both Jones and Nugent typically fufill that stereotype within moments of opening their mouths. He isn't winning people over....he's making them shake their heads in confusion and disgust, I'm afraid. He isnt bringing new people to the sport of shooting with his antics...they are just as likely to scare people away. An enemy of my enemy does not always a friend make.

 

[we are not amused]

There are an awful lot of people on this forum, who like guns less than they hate some pro gun people and organizations.

When we start attacking some of our most fervent gun supporters as being "too vocal/visible", or some other such nonsense, what you are really saying is "shut up, sit down, and hide your head in the sand!"

The only thing that will make the anti-gun crowd like us, is if we give up our guns!

Not going to happen as long as I and Ted Nugent have anything to say about!

If we start attacking our own, we are just doing the Anti's job for them!

But then again, we are often our own worst enemy when it come to guns rights, and all too many people who say they are pro-gun, don't really believe it to be a Right, just that they be allowed to have their own gun, and the hell with every body else.

You want my guns? Come and get them! I will give them to you one piece at a time, ammo first!

 

[silicosys4]

There are an awful lot of people on this forum, who like guns less than they hate some pro gun people and organizations.

When we start attacking some of our most fervent gun supporters as being "too vocal/visible", or some other such nonsense, what you are really saying is "shut up, sit down, and hide your head in the sand!"

The only thing that will make the anti-gun crowd like us, is if we give up our guns!

Not going to happen as long as I and Ted Nugent have anything to say about!

If we start attacking our own, we are just doing the Anti's job for them!

But then again, we are often our own worst enemy when it come to guns rights, and all too many people who say they are pro-gun, don't really believe it to be a Right, just that they be allowed to have their own gun, and the hell with every body else.

You want my guns? Come and get them! I will give them to you one piece at a time, ammo first!

Gimme a break. If people in this forum hate Ted because he's pro gun, then there was a "child" murdered recently by an evil caucasian man, for walking in his neighborhood wearing a hoodie.
Ted is that loudmouth friend that gets your butt kicked in a bar because he doesn't know when to shut up...and who won't care because conveniently enough he slips away from the fight he started once it breaks out. IMHO He is a parasite that is riding the 2a wave and riling up the choir he preaches to, while alienating those that need to be nodding their heads at our logic instead of shaking their heads at his antics.....and all for his tv shows, his alex jones appearences, his fame, and his income. He may believe everything he says, but if he were a serious 2a supporter he would be working a lot harder to actually change minds rather than working at getting back slaps from his supporters and tv show deals. He doesn't...he is just an angry, opinionated man who just wants to publicly vent. Great, now stop pretending your rant "represents" anybody's opinions but yours, and stop using your opinion and highly contentious comments about 2a to make money at the expense of the image of gunowners.

As has been said before.
Owning a gun does not make you a good person. Criminals own and use guns frequently.
Someone advocating for a cause I personally support does not automatically make them a good person.
Advocating for a cause does not automatically make you effective or beneficial to that cause.
Advocating for a cause I personally believe in does not mean I'm going to forget a lifetime of actions I find personally distasteful and disagreeable, and immediately support your every word and action. Gun ownership is ONE factor of MANY I use to determine my opinion of somebody as a person. Granted, its important, but the list doesn't end there.

Owning a gun also does not shield you from criticism of your actions, recent and past. I'm not going to ignore a person's dispicable acts as a human being because I think they can somehow be used to protect my interests.

"Wow...I don't know you, but you own guns!...Are you free to babysit my children on Wednesday? I'm in a real clinch and I can't find ANYBODY"...is a phrase no responsible parent used....ever.

 

[grter]

You seem to be spewing a lot of crap and half truths about Mr. Nugent along with your hoodie comment which has no place in this discussion.

You are attacking someone who is with us on this issue because he offends your fragile social sensitivies and narrow BS views on what an American is supposed to be and how you think he should behave.

The good thing about America is it's really none of your business and the man has more admirers and fame than you will ever have .

I choose not to be a narrow minded idiot and I am sure glad to have people like Mr. Nugent on my side in an issue as important as my second ammendment constitutional rights.

As far as selfishness is concerned I would find it reassuring since the most trustworthy motive is much more often than not a selfish one you don't belive it ask any shrink better yet go to college take a phsyc course and get educated. More often than not those who claim to be selflessly motivated fall in the Jim Baker/Swaggert/Jones catagory and are generally full of it.

If Mr Nugent is self serving than I can rest easier since it is more likely he is not full of you know what and more trustworthy than some wannabe social dictator such as yourself.

So yes my heart is not bleeding for you if I help you on this issue (2nd amendment freedoms.) My motive is selfish. I don't want to have my rights taken away from me. It's a damn motive that can be trusted.

You seem to be really working hard to sabatoge a sincerce, united base from which our freedoms can be defended but then again you don't sound like a freedom loving person but rather someone who thinks imposing his wishes and beliefs on others is paramount over anything else just like the gun control extremist who push their will on others because it is what they belive rather than true facts.

 

[Haxby]

Ted Nugent as babysitter?
Is that in reference to the time he had himself named legal guardian of his teenage girlfriend?

 

[silicosys4]

You seem to be spewing a lot of crap and half truths about Mr. Nugent along with your hoodie comment which has no place in this discussion.

You are attacking someone who is with us on this issue because he offends your fragile social sensitivies and narrow BS views on what an American is supposed to be and how you think he should behave.

The good thing about America is it's really none of your business and the man has more admirers and fame than you will ever have .

I choose not to be a narrow minded idiot and I am sure glad to have people like Mr. Nugent on my side.

Spoken in true Ted style. Out of context outrage, groundless accusations, personal attacks, and all. If I'm speaking crap and half truths, your personal attacks don't disprove them.

Interesting that you find it appropriate to call me a "narrow minded idiot"...a "wannabe social dictator"...because I'm offending your fragile social sensitivities and narrow B.S. views on who and what I as a gunowner should think about Ted, who I should unquestionably support or not based on one facet of their persona.. how you think I should behave....and I find it interesting after your whole hypocritical rant, that you "know" what I and others actually feel about 2a based on our opinion of one mans past, personality, and use of fame.

Would you poop in your own pants for a week straight to avoid doing your duty to serve your country? Would you snort a line of crystal meth in order to avoid serving your country?
Ted would, by his own admittance. I don't like that, I don't like him, and in a very Ted-Nugentesque spirit, you sir, can go to he11 if you think your personal little rant is going to change my mind.

Get this straight. I support 2a. I do not support Ted Nugent. They are not one and the same.

The people who admire him and his fame have every right to idolize whoever and whatever they choose, for whatever reasons they choose. I prefer that people not connect me as a gunowner with Ted Nugent in any way, and he purposefully works very hard to be some kind of 2a spokesperson without being responsible or intelligent in any way about it.
That may float your boat, but not mine.

Oh...and if Ted Nugent can't get a great deal of GUNOWNERS to take him seriously...as is definitely evident in this thread...if his only supporters are people like you who don't need convincing...how is he helping the 2a cause again?

Oh yea...he isn't...he's helping his publicity and bookings a great deal more.

 

[olderguns]

All you guys with the forgive and forget attitude, if it really doesn't matter how big of a A-whole someone was in the past, then I suppose you'll welcome miss Hanoi jane fonda if she becomes a speaker for gun rights, or starts a join the NRA drive.

 

[grter]

Jane Fonda sure why not. I don't have to agree with all of her views. If she supports gun rights great.

It seems to me you are still carping over war that happened more than five decades ago which half if not more than half this country as well as the soldiers fighting it disapproved of.

People like you sure as hell don't hold the all the cards in deciding who was or was not a traitor.

 

[silicosys4]

It seems to me you are still carping over war that happened more than five decades ago which half if not more than half this country as well as the soldiers fighting it disapproved of.

People like you sure as hell don't hold the all the cards in deciding who was or was not a traitor.

You obviously haven't read the thread if you think people are "carping" on a "war that happened more than five decades ago" when it comes to Ted. What he did then is evidence of his loyalty, patriotism, and true character. Nothing more, nothing less.

As far as cards...I hold the same cards that you were holding when you decided post #94 was appropriate. What cards were you holding that enabled your decision that I was a "wannabe social dictator" and a "mindless idiot"? After all, I'm pretty sure I know more about Ted Nugent than you know about me to be making statements like that. Hypocrisy.

Yea, and find me the posts in here and other places from vietnam vets who approve of Ted's actions in avoiding his service. Find me posts from ANYONE approving of his methods in avoiding the draft.

 

[olderguns]

grter,
I didn't decide they decided they were traitors by their actions,
And by the way I don‘t need to as you put it hold all the cards to tell when somethings wrong or right.
Just like I don't have to be a farmer to recognize bull crap when I see/hear it and that covers jane and ted in my opinion, yours may very.