Why 32 h&r?

Seems when people want to write off the .32 Mag it always comes down to ammo cost, specifically range ammo. The .32 Mag is not something you buy 1000 rounds of to blast at the range, that's what .32 S&W Long is for. Not as powerful, but neither is the .38 or 9mm that most shoot at the range and then carry +P ammo.

Practice with the cheaper .32 S&W Long, carry the .32 H&R Mag.
I don't see most people shooting under powered 38 special, 9mm, or 45acp at the range. I typically see them shooting comparable weight/grains range ammo.
Correction: 32H&R is not something you buy 1000 rounds of as it'll cost you over $1000. .32 S&W Long is also more expensive than 38spc, 9mm, 40s&w, and 10mm. I'm not sure why .32H&R factory ammo is so darn expensive compared to most almost all other popular and not so popular ammo on the market. It makes no sense. I don't reload, but if I did or if prices come down on .32 ammo, I'd be all over 32H&R.

As an aside: Seems like no one (or only a select few with medical conditions) had any issues shooting or with the recoil of .38 spc until this new 32H&R was released. Now everyone, even people who have talk about shooting and EDCing 9mm, 45acp, 10mm, 357, and 44 special and magnum in the recent past, have been coming out of the woodworks to complain or make a big deal about even the recoil of standard low power 38 special. I reckon some, not all, need an excuse to buy a new gun lol, which is perfectly fine with me.
 
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I don't see most people shooting under powered 38 special, 9mm, or 45acp at the range. I typically see them shooting comparable weight/grains range ammo. .32 S&W Long is also more expensive than 38spc, 9mm, 40s&w, and 10mm. I'm not sure why .32H&R factory ammo is so darn expensive compared to most almost all other popular and not so popular ammo on the market. It makes no sense.
Are you saying most people you see shooting .38, 9mm, and .45 are shooting +P? That's not what I see or even do, which is shoot the cheapest stuff that works, which is usually standard pressure 115gr 9mm or 158gr .38 or 230gr .45.

.32 S&W Lg. with wadcutters is usually heavier than the 80-85gr hollow point loads common with .32 Mag. There's not much recoil with either anyway, so it's not like there's something being lost during practice. Said it before, but during good times the price of .32 S&W Long is maybe 10% more than .38. That's the price to get a revolver that holds more rounds and has less recoil, but is still effective and reliable, unlike .22 rimfire.

.32 Mag is more expensive because it's mostly loaded in defense ammo, likely because the ammo companies realize most who own it are going to buy .32 Long for range use.
 
Are you saying most people you see shooting .38, 9mm, and .45 are shooting +P? That's not what I see or even do, which is shoot the cheapest stuff that works, which is usually standard pressure 115gr 9mm or 158gr .38 or 230gr .45.
No, I'm saying most are not typically shooting range ammo in their EDC while practicing/training that's significantly less powerful than their self-defense ammo.

.32 Mag is more expensive because it's mostly loaded in defense ammo, likely because the ammo companies realize most who own it are going to buy .32 Long for range use.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? They're buying .32 long only because .32 mag is more expensive though lol. If they would sell cheaper .32mag, that's what most would buy instead.

Hopefully ammo manufacturers will start releasing .32H&R range ammo that's in the 30cpr-35cpr range. You all havs kind of sold on the caliber and buying a 32H&R or 327 mag revolver, but ammo cost is stopping me.... I might just pick up an LCR in .327 to give 32H&R a try if I come across a good used deal.
 
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I don't see most people shooting under powered 38 special, 9mm, or 45acp at the range. I typically see them shooting comparable weight/grains range ammo.
Correction: 32H&R is not something you buy 1000 rounds of as it'll cost you over $1000. .32 S&W Long is also more expensive than 38spc, 9mm, 40s&w, and 10mm. I'm not sure why .32H&R factory ammo is so darn expensive compared to most almost all other popular and not so popular ammo on the market. It makes no sense. I don't reload, but if I did or if prices come down on .32 ammo, I'd be all over 32H&R.

As an aside: Seems like no one (or only a select few with medical conditions) had any issues shooting or with the recoil of .38 spc until this new 32H&R was released. Now everyone, even people who have talk about shooting and EDCing 9mm, 45acp, 10mm, 357, and 44 special and magnum in the recent past, have been coming out of the woodworks to complain or make a big deal about even the recoil of standard low power 38 special. I reckon some, not all, need an excuse to buy a new gun lol, which is perfectly fine with me.
In today's environment, most folks are practicing with ammunition for use against bi-pod predators.

We have a small horse farm with 2 horses and 2 ponies and four legged critters are the most countered problem animals.

Yes, we could use my 44 Magnum and blast these critters into oblivion but the horses really do like having to deal with the excessive noise and recoil of something like a 44 Magnum.

For dispatching ground hogs, I find 22RF is too under powered. The last one I dispatched, it took 4 or 5 rounds from my S&W 317 to put it out if my misery. I've set uo my SP101 with 32 H&R Mag level ammunition . We'll see if it performs better than 22 LR when the time comes.
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For dispatching groundhogs, the SP101 is a good sized revolver for carrying in our Kubota side by side utility vehicle.

My point is, you do it have to blast your quarry into oblivion, choose a gun/cartridge that will get the job done.

As an aside I have an automatic feeder set up near our feed room for deer and birds. My mother-in-law liked cardinals and they are frequent visitors to the feeder. We have several cardinal pairs that have been born around our property that frequent the feeder. Several of the adult deer are products of our property.

We have seen seven or eight deer that have been born on our property and hang around, They have gotten use to our feeding schedule with the horses and are cautious but don't run off when we come around the deer feeder.
 
The 32 H&R magnum checks a few boxes for me as a pocket carry revolver. Six rounds instead of 5, lighter recoil, and faster follow up shots. I’m 68 and really starting to feel recoil. Shooting 10mm is painful and I have sold all but my GP100 revolver. 45 acp and 45 Colt are the max. I have a 9mm S&W CSX as a bedside gun and a couple 38 steel framed guns in discrete places.

Honestly, at one point you could not have given me a 32 caliber anything, but it grew to be a favorite caliber about 6 or 8 years ago. It is a niche market no doubt and I understand why others don’t get it, doesn’t bother me….. I like what I like, no apologies no excuses.

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Comparing the 32 H&R to a 22 LR or mag is ridiculous. Unless you buy some wimpy factory loads. I did notice when demoing the new S&W/Lipsey .32 H&R J-frame they used Buffalo Bore rounds.
 
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No, I'm saying most are not typically shooting range ammo in their EDC while practicing/training that's significantly less powerful than their self-defense ammo.


Which came first, the chicken or the egg? They're buying .32 long only because .32 mag is more expensive though lol. If they would sell cheaper .32mag, that's what most would buy instead.

Hopefully ammo manufacturers will start releasing .32H&R range ammo that's in the 30cpr-35cpr range. You all havs kind of sold on the caliber and buying a 32H&R or 327 mag revolver, but ammo cost is stopping me.... I might just pick up an LCR in .327 to give 32H&R a try if I come across a good used deal.
I expect people to buy the cheapest ammo, why do you think 9mm is so popular? If .40 was cheaper than 9mm, .40 would be the new 9mm and all the complaints about snappy recoil would suddenly become complaints about 9mm being underpowered and weak.

There are not nearly as many .32 Mag revolvers out there than there are .32 S&W Long revolvers, so ammo companies are going to produce more ammo for a firearm chambered in that which is more widely available.
 
It’s unbelievable. It’s like “why would anybody buy a diesel truck brand other than Ram”? 🤣
 
I actually have one highly specific reason to consider the new .32 H&R Mag J-frame. I've been wanting a gun for distance running, and a J-frame or LCR has some advantages over the other mouse gun options. I would carry it in a fanny pack hydration belt with no reloads (so the sixth round would be big over .38 Special). A revolver grip is easier to draw than a small semiauto, in my opinion. And I think .32 H&R, if a load is optimized, compares favorably to .380 ACP, plus the new Lipsey's J-frame has sights that are far superior to any of the semiauto micro guns. And it would be a gun that was almost never shot, so ammo costs would not be highly relevant.
 
I don't see most people shooting under powered 38 special, 9mm, or 45acp at the range. I typically see them shooting comparable weight/grains range ammo.
Correction: 32H&R is not something you buy 1000 rounds of as it'll cost you over $1000. .32 S&W Long is also more expensive than 38spc, 9mm, 40s&w, and 10mm. I'm not sure why .32H&R factory ammo is so darn expensive compared to most almost all other popular and not so popular ammo on the market. It makes no sense. I don't reload, but if I did or if prices come down on .32 ammo, I'd be all over 32H&R.

As an aside: Seems like no one (or only a select few with medical conditions) had any issues shooting or with the recoil of .38 spc until this new 32H&R was released. Now everyone, even people who have talk about shooting and EDCing 9mm, 45acp, 10mm, 357, and 44 special and magnum in the recent past, have been coming out of the woodworks to complain or make a big deal about even the recoil of standard low power 38 special. I reckon some, not all, need an excuse to buy a new gun lol, which is perfectly fine with me.
The phenomenon isn't as new as we might think. I'll toss out a bit of historical context for fun.

Older folks remember the days when many people chose either a .32 S&W Long or .38 S&W (often called the ".38 Short") for home defense, because .38 Special was (1) "too powerful," (2) "only the police need something as powerful as a .38 Special," (3) "unnecessary, because I'm only looking to protect my family, not kill anybody," or variations on the theme that ".38.Special is a lot to handle and more than a regular person needs."

These archaic-sounding opinions may be reflexively scorned by those of us who frequent gun forums, but the reality is that such views would resonate with many (most?) American casual gun-owners of today. Their default comparison is now most likely to 9mmP instead of to .38 SPL, but the principles remain the same: smaller, lighter, softer recoil, lower blast & flash remain primary concerns for most who haven't consciously committed to mastering--or at least putting up with--more potent firepower. Even the latter commonly purchase a caliber they find too unpleasant to practice with, rationalizing their choice in ways we've all heard many times.

The US Army changed from .45 Auto to 9mmP in the 1980s, partly for NATO standardization, but in significant degree due to the decades-long struggle of American GIs to handle the perceived brutal recoil of the .45. That enduring struggle absolutely was magnified by the increasing percentage of females in general-purpose (non-WAC) military forces.

Scandalously, to many American shooters of today who are roughly aware of the history of the issue, the British Army c.1930 chose the .38-200 Enfield revolver to replace their long-standard .455 Webleys, considering the smaller .38 to be of roughly equal effectiveness. They thought that because they had a World War's worth of experience demonstrating that their average conscript couldn't handle the size and power of the .455.

Other relevant examples are too numerous to mention, but few European armies moved up to 9mmP sidearms by WWII, and those which did still issued huge numbers of lighter-caliber guns. European police commonly used .32 ACP or .380 ACP as late as the 1980s. The .32-20 was very popular in our late frontier era, with huge numbers of .32 and .38 S&W pocket revolvers arming the townsfolk. Teddy Roosevelt chose the .32 SWL for his NYC police force, specifically because it was more manageable by his men and less hazardous in a crowded city. The full-power .45 Long Colt of 1873 Colt SAA fame was selected by the US Army, but the ammo itself was soon reduced in size and power to the .45 Schofield. Browning's first, wildly popular autos were .32, .25, and .380, whereas Colt and FN sales of .38 ACP and 9mm Browning Long lagged far, far behind in sales & production.

Only improved metallurgy and lighter-weight JHPs facilitated the booming modern-day popularity of the 11-16 oz. .38 SPL handgun, and the older, slightly heavier aluminum frame Smiths and Colts were quite the handful with the 158g LRN standard pressure ammo. No idea how many civilian owners of these relatively expensive, specialized lightweights chose 148g WCs over the "Police Service" ammo, but the common phrase always was, and still remains, "Carry a lot, shoot a little." There's a reason the 110g JHP @ 800-850 fps from a 2" snub is more readily available on LGS shelves than anything in 158g, and Fedingchester 200g ammo is but a distant memory. The existence and apparent popularity of the .38 SPL 90g Hornady CD Lite, a .380 ACP equivalent, is emphatic proof that large numbers of shooters in today's CC/SD/HD world remain attracted to the century-old .38 snub platform, but choose not to tangle with full-power .38 SPL...and regret it when they do.
 
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I think .32 H&R, if a load is optimized, compares favorably to .380 ACP, plus the new Lipsey's J-frame has sights that are far superior to any of the semiauto micro guns.
I’m getting ~1080 FPS with 100 gr XTP and ~1230 FPS with 85 gr XTP out of my LCR with .32 H&R loads. The 380 can’t compare.

But I reload.
 
I’m getting ~1080 FPS with 100 gr XTP and ~1230 FPS with 85 gr XTP out of my LCR with .32 H&R loads. The 380 can’t compare.

But I reload.
I have seen rounds that have higher velocities perform worse in ballistic testing and rounds that move slower have more penetration and perform better. Velocity in handgun rounds don't typically mean one round or caliber is anymore deadly than another. It usually means that a comparably designed rounds with more velocity may penetrate further. I'd like to see how those rounds compare to reloaded 380acp rounds in ballistic gel and other testing.

plus the new Lipsey's J-frame has sights that are far superior to any of the semiauto micro guns
The sights mimic sight commonly found on semiautos including many micro handguns.
 
Recoil is a significant issue for many. When I first started shooting handguns a few years ago, I was much more recoil sensitive than now. When renting guns to find something for concealed carry, the 38 snub, 9mm subcompacts, and 380 micros all hurt to shoot and induced too much flinch. I ended up with a Charter 32 H&R and was very pleased with it.
After many thousands of rounds of shooting a variety of different guns over the following few years, my recoil sensitivity diminished significantly. But I can certainly understand why many people prefer something like a 32 revolver or a 380 EZ.
 
Recoil is a significant issue for many.
The 2 spicy recipes I gave above have significant recoil out of the 17 oz LCR. Nothing unmanageable but enough to where I use my weight lifting gloves if I’m ploughing thru 100 rounds in one outing. Nothing comes free!
 
i'm getting older and i don't tolerate recoil as much as i use to. For me its about the weight and recoil of the gun for my caliber choices.
in the LCR i have transitioned to the 32 for recoil management. It is also my carry gun. range practice is productive, enjoyable, and no longer painful.

i stopped carrying Smith airweight 38s because recoil/pain became more of a problem and i was cutting way back on range practice. The 32s changed that.
 
Which factory micro semiautos have stock serrated U-notch rear sights and XS tritium dot sights?
I wasn't explictly referring to U-notch sights, and I do not believe I, and most gun owners, believe U-notch sights OR XS front sights are "superior. The Hellcat has U-notch sight and front night sight, but they aren't serrated. Trijicon HD XR offers with the serrated U-notch. Even still, they're U-notch, 3-dot, i-dot, and a plethora of other sights front and rear sight configurations available for semiautos. The sights on the new S&W Lipsey offering mimic what's has been available from the factory or even aftermarket for many years now.
 
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I wasn't explictly referring to U-notch sights, and I do not believe I, and most gun owners, believe U-notch sights OR XS front sights are "superior. The Hellcat has U-notch sight and front night sight, but they aren't serrated. Trijicon HD XR offers with the serrated U-notch. Even still, they're U-notch, 3-dot, i-dot, and a plethora of other sights front and rear sight configurations available for semiautos. The sights on the new S&W Lipsey offering mimic what's has been available from the factory or even aftermarket for many years now.
I think when Madcap says micro semi autos he means .380 and smaller. There's no way a Hellcat is as small or as light as these new S&W J frames are.
 
I wasn't explictly referring to U-notch sights, and I do not believe I, and most gun owners, believe U-notch sights OR XS front sights are "superior. The Hellcat has U-notch sight and front night sight, but they aren't serrated. Trijicon HD XR offers with the serrated U-notch. Even still, they're U-notch, 3-dot, i-dot, and a plethora of other sights front and rear sight configurations available for semiautos. The sights on the new S&W Lipsey offering mimic what's has been available from the factory or even aftermarket for many years now.
I never said they were new or unique to the Lipsey's guns, I just said they were superior to any of the micro semiauto factory sights. I'll grant that this is an opinion, and I'll grant that Springfield calls the Hellcat a micro gun, but a loaded Hellcat weighs about 7 oz. more than a loaded Airweight J-frame, so they're not really in the same league of 'micro.'

I also love the Trijicon HD sights and they are my preferred sights, but I don't believe they're made for the really micro guns in the .32/.380 range. If you just look at sights for revolvers, the choices shrink even more. I think only the Ruger LCR has a convenient sight choice that is similar, and that is front-sight only and no longer available as a factory option.

You seem bent on proving your opinion to be universally correct, when my original post literally stated I only thought this gun was a potentially good fit for my very specific niche need, which few people share. People who carry are a minority in the distance running community, and people who run distance are a minority in the gun community.

I don't require anyone else to share my needs or opinions, so by all means carry and buy what you like, we live in a time with a wealth of options for every taste.
 
I think when Madcap says micro semi autos he means .380 and smaller. There's no way a Hellcat is as small or as light as these new S&W J frames are.
I never said they were new or unique to the Lipsey's guns, I just said they were superior to any of the micro semiauto factory sights. I'll grant that this is an opinion, and I'll grant that Springfield calls the Hellcat a micro gun, but a loaded Hellcat weighs about 7 oz. more than a loaded Airweight J-frame, so they're not really in the same league of 'micro.'

I also love the Trijicon HD sights and they are my preferred sights, but I don't believe they're made for the really micro guns in the .32/.380 range. If you just look at sights for revolvers, the choices shrink even more. I think only the Ruger LCR has a convenient sight choice that is similar, and that is front-sight only and no longer available as a factory option.

You seem bent on proving your opinion to be universally correct, when my original post literally stated I only thought this gun was a potentially good fit for my very specific niche need, which few people share. People who carry are a minority in the distance running community, and people who run distance are a minority in the gun community.

I don't require anyone else to share my needs or opinions, so by all means carry and buy what you like, we live in a time with a wealth of options for every taste.
I see 380 are typically referred to as "mouse" guns and not "micros." I see Hellcats, P365s, PM9s, and other "micro" 9mm's that are very similar in size to J-frames. The Hellcat and P365 are actually smaller than S&W Centennials and the new Ultra Carry offerings in all dimensions. The new Lipsey S&W offerings are 16oz, and the Hellcat and P365 are 17.9 and 18.5, respectively, so they are similar in weight too.

The new S&W offerings are heavier I assume mainly because the full lug barrel. The P365 is small than the Hellcat.
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Outside of that, I guess I originally misunderstood @Madcap_Magician if he was referring to 380 pistols, so I apologize. We are in complete agreement about 380 pistol sights. They are no where as good as the Lipsey UC offerings. I thought he was referring to micro 9mm class of handguns, so it didn't make sense at first.
 
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I see 380 are typically referred to as "mouse" guns and not "micros." I see Hellcats, P365s, PM9s, and other "micro" 9mm's that are very similar in size to J-frames. The Hellcat and P365 are actually smaller than S&W Centennials and the new Ultra Carry offerings in all dimensions. The new Lipsey S&W offerings are 16oz, and the Hellcat and P365 are 17.9 and 18.5, respectively, so they are similar in weight too.

The new S&W offerings are heavier I assume mainly because the full lug barrel. The P365 is small than the Hellcat.
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Outside of that, I guess I originally misunderstood @Madcap_Magician if he was referring to 380 pistols, so I apologize. We are in complete agreement about 380 pistol sights. They are no where as good as the Lipsey UC offerings. I thought he was referring to micro 9mm class of handguns, so it didn't make sense at first.
Sure, and I agree about the size - an Airweight is roughly comparable to the guns you mention, but in my case the difference maker is the loaded weight. Obviously a Hellcat or P365 is superior as a defensive gun, since it carries more ammunition that is more powerful, but the 'more ammunition' part bumps the loaded weight up so that the Hellcat or P365 are functionally noticeably heavier than a loaded Airweight. Huge tradeoff that is probably not worth it for most situations, but for distance running, seven ounces is an enormous amount of weight.
 
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When firing the 32 H&R through my LCR327 ..the 32 H&R has recoil that is comparable to a 38spl LWC target load out of my LCR357 .. and the capacity of the LCR327 is 6 .. holds a extra round….
Follow up shots are fast and more accurate due to lighter recoil.
 
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When firing the 32 H&R through my LCR327 ..the 32 H&R has recoil that is comparable to a 38spl LWC target load out of my LCR357 .. and the capacity of the LCR327 is 6 .. holds a extra round….
Follow up shots are fast and more accurate due to lighter recoil.
My better half's former ccw which she promptly dumped after shooting my LCR.
The superior trigger pull of the LCR is what did it. She's got new grips to make it "hers" 😆.
That said I'm going to try for one of the new Lipsey .32s. Centennial J frames are one of my weaknesses.
 

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Some people are recoil-sensitive.

In small frame revolvers, the .32 cal (whichever cartridge) cylinder provides 6 rounds, whereas small frame .38s provide 5 rounds, i.e. one gets another round with the .32.

If you have a .32 H&R Mag revolver with a robust frame, Buffalo Bore has warm loads to beef-up this cartridge. Got to know that B.B. loadings are going to result in higher recoil. These warm loads are NOT for the recoil-sensitive folk.

Again, I'm no representative for Buffalo Bore Ammo. I've purchased, fired, tested their ammo for my own use. That's it. Use your own judgement when it comes to selecting commercial ammunition. One size does NOT fit all.


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