tubeshooter
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Because it's my money and my gun.
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Time for a debate or "Can of Worms" 38's in a 357
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RustyHammer
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1911austin
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I don’t care what other people shoot in their guns. What is point of this thread? MYOB
christcorp
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Got to love some of these well educated responses. "Cause it's my money". "None of your business". And the list goes on.
Yet, this question is asked indirectly on this forum every single day. There are so many questions asked about ammo, recoil, flash, etc... and yet there is at least 1 question asking back of "Why did you buy a 357 mag".
There were some very well thought out reasons. Doesn't matter if anyone agrees with them or not. Point is, they were thought out. The "What if" factor and the "In case some day" were indeed responses that are respectful. Doesn't matter if I agree with them or not, I can respect them. Also, responses such as "That particular gun just felt so perfect" is an excellent reason. As is "The gun I really liked only came in 357". Again, and excellent and respectable response.
There's even a sister thread that was started, no by me, that asked why anyone would ONLY buy a revolver that was in 38 special. There were also some very good responses that could be respected. But honestly; "Cause it's my money", "None of your business", and similar don't quite fall into the category of respectable answers. You are correct that it's your right and decision to own anything you want. It doesn't answer the question, but it is your right. Just as a kid, we didn't like asking why and being told; "Because I said so". You do have the right to basically say "Because I said so". That's cool. Obviously, this thread went on for 3 pages with some very diverse and respectable responses. I definitely appreciated those who contributed their opinion. At least the opinions that had meaning. Later... Mike....
Yet, this question is asked indirectly on this forum every single day. There are so many questions asked about ammo, recoil, flash, etc... and yet there is at least 1 question asking back of "Why did you buy a 357 mag".
There were some very well thought out reasons. Doesn't matter if anyone agrees with them or not. Point is, they were thought out. The "What if" factor and the "In case some day" were indeed responses that are respectful. Doesn't matter if I agree with them or not, I can respect them. Also, responses such as "That particular gun just felt so perfect" is an excellent reason. As is "The gun I really liked only came in 357". Again, and excellent and respectable response.
There's even a sister thread that was started, no by me, that asked why anyone would ONLY buy a revolver that was in 38 special. There were also some very good responses that could be respected. But honestly; "Cause it's my money", "None of your business", and similar don't quite fall into the category of respectable answers. You are correct that it's your right and decision to own anything you want. It doesn't answer the question, but it is your right. Just as a kid, we didn't like asking why and being told; "Because I said so". You do have the right to basically say "Because I said so". That's cool. Obviously, this thread went on for 3 pages with some very diverse and respectable responses. I definitely appreciated those who contributed their opinion. At least the opinions that had meaning. Later... Mike....
RustyHammer
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I didn't bother to wade through the muck to see if someone pointed this out;
From a Mfg's standpoint if your shorty revo has the .357 option and the competition's directly competing revo did not, you would have a sales advantage over them regardless of the end use of .357 or .38. Would also save a negligible amount in retooling I would imagine.
From a Mfg's standpoint if your shorty revo has the .357 option and the competition's directly competing revo did not, you would have a sales advantage over them regardless of the end use of .357 or .38. Would also save a negligible amount in retooling I would imagine.
tubeshooter
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You are asking for objective reasoning regarding what is for many a subjective decision... and you are doing it in a fairly condescending manner.
Let's take a look at some of your original post:
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Now this isn't anywhere near the worst thing I've ever seen posted, don't get me wrong... but do you see how you might come across in a rather negative way with these statements? You may have noticed that the thread asking about "why buy a .38?" didn't really get those 'well-educated' responses. I wonder why?
I will freely admit that I was in a worse mood than average that day. I will also freely admit that I could have easily not responded. That being said, this is a public board and it is not really anybody's obligation or duty to provide the type of response that is 100% along the lines of what you would like to see. You may have been spoiled a bit by THR, things are generally very civil here and people tend to stay on-topic. But to whine about "respectable" responses and such kind of demonstrates that maybe you expect more than you have a right to as far as how your threads turn out and what people choose to say to you. I like to provide helpful information when I can, but it's not my job to make sure I provide "respectable" answers that christcorp approves of. Sorry to disappoint.
Anyway, I hope you got the answer you were seeking. I don't hate you or anything, the way you chose to present your question just irked me and that was my way of letting you know. I felt that my answer returned the level of courtesy in kind, more or less.
Let's take a look at some of your original post:
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Now this isn't anywhere near the worst thing I've ever seen posted, don't get me wrong... but do you see how you might come across in a rather negative way with these statements? You may have noticed that the thread asking about "why buy a .38?" didn't really get those 'well-educated' responses. I wonder why?
I will freely admit that I was in a worse mood than average that day. I will also freely admit that I could have easily not responded. That being said, this is a public board and it is not really anybody's obligation or duty to provide the type of response that is 100% along the lines of what you would like to see. You may have been spoiled a bit by THR, things are generally very civil here and people tend to stay on-topic. But to whine about "respectable" responses and such kind of demonstrates that maybe you expect more than you have a right to as far as how your threads turn out and what people choose to say to you. I like to provide helpful information when I can, but it's not my job to make sure I provide "respectable" answers that christcorp approves of. Sorry to disappoint.
Anyway, I hope you got the answer you were seeking. I don't hate you or anything, the way you chose to present your question just irked me and that was my way of letting you know. I felt that my answer returned the level of courtesy in kind, more or less.
41magsnub
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OP: If you had phrased the question in a manner to not automatically make somebody who disagrees with you appear a fool then you might have gotten answers more to your liking.
There is your life lesson for the day.
As for me, I shoot .38's out of my Security Six all the time for practice and when in the house it has some nice Federal Personal Protection .38's in it. My neighbors are fairly close. However, it is great to have the option to shoot .357 rounds if I ever need to.
OP: If you had phrased the question in a manner to not automatically make somebody who disagrees with you appear a fool then you might have gotten answers more to your liking.
There is your life lesson for the day.
As for me, I shoot .38's out of my Security Six all the time for practice and when in the house it has some nice Federal Personal Protection .38's in it. My neighbors are fairly close. However, it is great to have the option to shoot .357 rounds if I ever need to.
When I was shopping for my first revolver, I knew I wanted a .357 for the awesome stopping power of that round. I also wanted a revolver that would last virtually forever. I settled on a GP-100 4" as being the most versatile and durable.
I always keep it loaded with .357 in the nightstand. For years it was my primary defensive handgun. It has since been supplanted by my Ruger P345 .45acp, but I still keep it there as a back up.
When I go to the range with a newbie to introduce them to shooting, I take the GP and a couple of boxes of .38 special because it makes for a polite introduction to the sport of shooting a centerfire handgun.
Someday when I am gone (temporarily or permanently) my wife will need to be able to wield this firearm. She has carpal tunnel and cannot handle .357 recoil any more. I'm glad that I can use it for .357 now, and she can use it for .38 or .38 +P even as she gets older.
If I ever had to use this gun in a survival situation, there will be a lot more rabbit meat left to eat after a .38 slug than there will be in the wake of a .357 magnum round.
I think there are plenty of reasons to want to shoot both. But I think if there is a "most common" reason why a person would keep a .357 constantly loaded with .38's it's recoil management - that shooter ended up with the .357 revolver for whatever reason (gift, didn't know what they were getting into, macho pride) and subsequently decided that although they like the gun, they don't like the blast and recoil of the .357. Plain and simple. They figure a .38 is "enough gun" but just happen to have a .357 for whatever reason.
I always keep it loaded with .357 in the nightstand. For years it was my primary defensive handgun. It has since been supplanted by my Ruger P345 .45acp, but I still keep it there as a back up.
When I go to the range with a newbie to introduce them to shooting, I take the GP and a couple of boxes of .38 special because it makes for a polite introduction to the sport of shooting a centerfire handgun.
Someday when I am gone (temporarily or permanently) my wife will need to be able to wield this firearm. She has carpal tunnel and cannot handle .357 recoil any more. I'm glad that I can use it for .357 now, and she can use it for .38 or .38 +P even as she gets older.
If I ever had to use this gun in a survival situation, there will be a lot more rabbit meat left to eat after a .38 slug than there will be in the wake of a .357 magnum round.
I think there are plenty of reasons to want to shoot both. But I think if there is a "most common" reason why a person would keep a .357 constantly loaded with .38's it's recoil management - that shooter ended up with the .357 revolver for whatever reason (gift, didn't know what they were getting into, macho pride) and subsequently decided that although they like the gun, they don't like the blast and recoil of the .357. Plain and simple. They figure a .38 is "enough gun" but just happen to have a .357 for whatever reason.
christcorp
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TS and 41mag, thanks for the responses. I don't take anything said by someone I don't know, personally. And maybe that was my short siting; the fact that many people do take statements on a forum from perfect strangers personally. Do realize however that there are no answers that I was looking for that were more "Towards my liking". I didn't care, and still don't care, WHAT the responses were. Only that there were some legitimate reasons. "Legitimate" is usually defined as
having reason and being justified. Now, you are correct that some people are going to believe that; "It's their money and their choice", is a legitimate reason. Maybe I could have rephrased it to say "Practical" reasons.
With a few exceptions, the main emphasis was that many people buy 2-3" 357 mag revolvers with no intention of shooting 357 mags in them. Many times, they bought it because someone either in person, at the gun shop, in a movie, etc... convinced them that the 357 mag was the ultimate self defense revolver. Therefor they just had to get one. Of course, that is a shame. They spent more money and will probably be less happy and comfortable using that gun, then had they known ahead of time what they were getting into.
There were however some very valid reasons for buying a 357 mag and only shooting 38 specials in them. I even acknowledged these reasons. Such as; "I really liked the way that gun felt, and it happened to be in 357 mag". Or, "I really like a certain weapon and it only comes in a 357 mag". Both are very good reasons that I hadn't thought about. Those were the type of reasons I was looking for. Not in particular, but type. I wasn't looking for the secondary reasons such as 38 specials are cheaper or there is less blast and fire shooting in doors. I knew I would get some of these reasons, but that doesn't answer the question. Of course, the other group of answers aren't worth anyone's time. Those are purely emotional with no basis whatsoever. However, these are indeed the people that for whatever reason, felt that a question on a forum from a complete stranger was somehow very personal to them.
So, thanks for the input. I did indeed hear a couple of good reasons why some people would buy a 357 and never shoot a 357 mag in it. I guess there will always be some that take everything they hear personally. Guess I need to phrase questions better. I do find it "Ironic" still for many. And as far as "logic" goes, there are still many that bought a 357 mag, won't ever shoot 357 mags in it, and don't have any logical reason for it. But you are correct. Some people are going to take that personally. Oh well, thanks for the input again. later... Mike...
having reason and being justified. Now, you are correct that some people are going to believe that; "It's their money and their choice", is a legitimate reason. Maybe I could have rephrased it to say "Practical" reasons.
With a few exceptions, the main emphasis was that many people buy 2-3" 357 mag revolvers with no intention of shooting 357 mags in them. Many times, they bought it because someone either in person, at the gun shop, in a movie, etc... convinced them that the 357 mag was the ultimate self defense revolver. Therefor they just had to get one. Of course, that is a shame. They spent more money and will probably be less happy and comfortable using that gun, then had they known ahead of time what they were getting into.
There were however some very valid reasons for buying a 357 mag and only shooting 38 specials in them. I even acknowledged these reasons. Such as; "I really liked the way that gun felt, and it happened to be in 357 mag". Or, "I really like a certain weapon and it only comes in a 357 mag". Both are very good reasons that I hadn't thought about. Those were the type of reasons I was looking for. Not in particular, but type. I wasn't looking for the secondary reasons such as 38 specials are cheaper or there is less blast and fire shooting in doors. I knew I would get some of these reasons, but that doesn't answer the question. Of course, the other group of answers aren't worth anyone's time. Those are purely emotional with no basis whatsoever. However, these are indeed the people that for whatever reason, felt that a question on a forum from a complete stranger was somehow very personal to them.
So, thanks for the input. I did indeed hear a couple of good reasons why some people would buy a 357 and never shoot a 357 mag in it. I guess there will always be some that take everything they hear personally. Guess I need to phrase questions better. I do find it "Ironic" still for many. And as far as "logic" goes, there are still many that bought a 357 mag, won't ever shoot 357 mags in it, and don't have any logical reason for it. But you are correct. Some people are going to take that personally. Oh well, thanks for the input again. later... Mike...
evan price
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1. Ammo is cheaper.
2. Some people have a flinch or weak hand, so the heavy frame .357 with light ammo is best for them.
3. Firing lighter ammo puts less stress on the firearm.
4. .357's are more common than .38's.
5. It's nice to be able to shoot heavier stuff when you want.
6. You got a good deal on a .357- why not?
7. Why is this a problem, anyway?
2. Some people have a flinch or weak hand, so the heavy frame .357 with light ammo is best for them.
3. Firing lighter ammo puts less stress on the firearm.
4. .357's are more common than .38's.
5. It's nice to be able to shoot heavier stuff when you want.
6. You got a good deal on a .357- why not?
7. Why is this a problem, anyway?
RustyHammer
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For Competion
Competitive shooters use 38's in their K frame Smiths Model 19 and 66 have won lots of championships.
Here's why. When you eject 38's out of a 357, they pop right out because of the shorter case. This provides faster reloads for timed competition.......Get it?
The slightly heavier 357 provides lighter recoil to get the front sight back on target for the next shot.
It's a matter of time and accuracy.
It's my understanding that the K frame was designed for Border Patrol agents to practice with 38's and carry 357's
Joe
Competitive shooters use 38's in their K frame Smiths Model 19 and 66 have won lots of championships.
Here's why. When you eject 38's out of a 357, they pop right out because of the shorter case. This provides faster reloads for timed competition.......Get it?
The slightly heavier 357 provides lighter recoil to get the front sight back on target for the next shot.
It's a matter of time and accuracy.
It's my understanding that the K frame was designed for Border Patrol agents to practice with 38's and carry 357's
Joe
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kamerer,
I'm also with you!!
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smokemaker
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I purchased a Dan Wesson 709 in .38 Special, because it was , and still is, the only one I've ever actually seen. Sure, I could have gotten a 15 or a 715, but I see lots of them. I guess that speaks to the rarity of .38 medium frame revolvers out there. Or I could just be rambling senslessly again.
I find it ironic that I occasionally shoot .22 shorts out of my .22 LR, when the far more powerful 22 LR is the obvious choise for serious work!
I find it ironic that I occasionally shoot .22 shorts out of my .22 LR, when the far more powerful 22 LR is the obvious choise for serious work!
MCgunner
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I love a medium frame 4" .357 that is accurate with .38s. I carry 'em while hiking or hunting and have taken a lot of camp meat with a wadcutter. The .357 revolver has more attributes than just as a self defense gun, after all. Some folks like to hunt deer/hog and small game with the same gun. And, for me, plinking is far more fun with accurate .38 loads. Why buy a M10/15 when a M13/19 is the same size and more versatile?
While joining the "respond to a long dead thread" crowd isn't my idea of productive, since I never saw this miscarriage the first time around - what the heck.
I've always wondered why people buy those freaking sports cars that push close to 200 mph top speed and then actually spend their time driving the speed limit (or close to it) in them.
I mean geez, if you're going to putz around at a lame 50-70 mph, why not buy an old Yugo or something.
Think I'll take my can of worms and go fishing now.
I've always wondered why people buy those freaking sports cars that push close to 200 mph top speed and then actually spend their time driving the speed limit (or close to it) in them.
I mean geez, if you're going to putz around at a lame 50-70 mph, why not buy an old Yugo or something.
Think I'll take my can of worms and go fishing now.
GlowinPontiac
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i have a .38 and a .357 both S&W's.
i occasionally use the .38's in the .357 just because the recoil in the bigger gun is so small with the .38's its an absoloute joy to shoot.
but its also a joy to shoot full power .357's and watch the fireball come out of that 2" barrell!
i occasionally use the .38's in the .357 just because the recoil in the bigger gun is so small with the .38's its an absoloute joy to shoot.
but its also a joy to shoot full power .357's and watch the fireball come out of that 2" barrell!
Floppy_D
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If you have the choice of carrying a Gerber Multi-tool with 5 tools vs. one with 10 tools, which one do you pick, assuming they are roughly the same size and cost?
Perhaps more options are advantageous over less options?
My 686 (so far) eats a steady diet of 38 handloads... but if I feel like a hi-power load, it costs me nothing extra.
Perhaps more options are advantageous over less options?
My 686 (so far) eats a steady diet of 38 handloads... but if I feel like a hi-power load, it costs me nothing extra.
Carl N. Brown
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I have a Ruger Security Six in Stainless for a reason: everything you would want in a good .38 spl: robust frame that will take +P or accidentally double charged reloads;
hand fillling grip; adjustable sights; heavy barrel ; are standard equipment on most .357s PLUS you can use .357 ammo if you want to (especially if you NEED to as in a run in with the fabled mutant ninja zombie bears with rabies everyone posts about.)
hand fillling grip; adjustable sights; heavy barrel ; are standard equipment on most .357s PLUS you can use .357 ammo if you want to (especially if you NEED to as in a run in with the fabled mutant ninja zombie bears with rabies everyone posts about.)
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