Why are prices increasing the past couple weeks?

[ryan in maine]

From Bud's:
CZ 75 9mm/black went from $408 to $443 - an increase of $35.
CZ 75 9mm/stainless went from $509 to $554 - an increase of $45.
S&W M&P .45/brown thumb safety went from $530 to $547 - an increase of $17.

These are just some examples I noticed (some Springfield XD's went up too), since they're from my short list of firearms I've been considering picking up. Man... These prices have all increased in the past week or two. I don't know what else has gone up.

What gives? And should we expect to see more increases like this? Is this just Bud's getting more pressure from companies about MAP? Admittedly, I haven't looked around to see if it's happening outside of Bud's.

 

[Spyvie]

Maybe 'cause the Dollar is falling?

 

[BlindJustice]

Are the prices you quoted from the manufacturer's msrp or is it
a local shop that marked the guns up because of the
increased msrp? The closest shop I am near the owner
doesn't mark stuff up - example I was looking at a stainless
PPK/S he wanted $470 - he said a new order would be $500+
for a stainless and blued would be close to $600 Maybe not
the best of prices but some gunshops do mark NIB stock up
others don't

 

[berkbw]

Yeah, the buck is dropping - and oil is going skyward [filled up this week?] the metals prices are taking off like fireworks. BTW, don't try to buy produce at the local supermart. Let your better half do it. It's a real appetite killer.

Anyway, I'm voting for Ron Paul if he's on my ballot..

PS BTW, don't even think of buying reloading supplies, eh?

b-

 

[varoadking]

Bud's is major online seller, BJ...though they do have a brick and mortar shop. I really didn't follow much of the rest of your post.

Gun prices go up the first of every year, Ryan...nothing unusual...

 

[DWARREN123]

Everything is going UP!

 

[SouthpawShootr]

Everything is going UP!

Except paychecks!

 

[ryan in maine]

Spyvie: Maybe 'cause the Dollar is falling?

Really? How much do you think that actually does play in the recent increases?

BlindJustice: Are the prices you quoted from the manufacturer's msrp or is it
a local shop that marked the guns up because of the
increased msrp? The closest shop I am near the owner
doesn't mark stuff up - example I was looking at a stainless
PPK/S he wanted $470 - he said a new order would be $500+
for a stainless and blued would be close to $600 Maybe not
the best of prices but some gunshops do mark NIB stock up
others don't

The prices I'm quoting are from http://budsgunshop.com, a well-respected group who have been fighting MAP pricing by selling their firearms arms at "delivered" prices, rather than keeping cost and shipping separate. The MSRP's aren't really changing, but the advertised prices are sneaking up. After this post I did confirm that it's happening elsewhere as well.

berkbw: Yeah, the buck is dropping - and oil is going skyward [filled up this week?] the metals prices are taking off like fireworks. BTW, don't try to buy produce at the local supermart. Let your better half do it. It's a real appetite killer.

Anyway, I'm voting for Ron Paul if he's on my ballot..

PS BTW, don't even think of buying reloading supplies, eh?

b-

Why are the costs of metals climbing? Aside from copper and brass, I mean.

Ha ha. I hate the supermarket, period.

I like Ron Paul too. I've been considering voting for him just to shake things up and help some of his views gain nation-wide recognition and consideration. I'm still undecided though. Would he make firearms, metals, and produce more affordable? Ha ha.

varoadking: Gun prices go up the first of every year, Ryan...nothing unusual...

Thanks. I was wondering if it was a normal increase with the new year and if prices will settle down again. Now on Bud's the S&W M&P 9mm (#1 on my list) just went from $439 to $501. It looks like I'm going to miss out on the rebate and magazines S&W has been offering for the holidays. Bummer.

DWARREN123: Everything is going UP!
SouthpawShootr: Except paychecks!

Ha ha. Nice duo. A lot of places around here are giving annual raises and then following them up with cutbacks on hours and OT. *Shaking head/fist*

 

[ugaarguy]

Price of metal, price to transport metals, cost of energy to run the machines, plus the typical annual price increases. Its cost push inflation (the bad kind of inflation).

 

[PakWaan]

The prices of all base metals are rising sharply, and have been for over a year. China is buying up all the metal it can get it's hands on to build it's industrial revolution. Containers come into the ports in LA loaded with Chinese products, and go back loaded with scrap metal.

I sell some bronze sculpture that I have made in Thailand, and the raw cost of the bronze has gone up over 30% in the last year. Combine that with the shrinking value of the dollar and the cost of the fuel, and prices can go nowhere but up.

Ammo prices have risen sharply for the same reason, and are about to go up again this month according to one of the major online distributors.

 

[Ruffwood]

Everything is going up???

Have you noticed the price of Smith & Wesson and Ruger Stock.

 

[gomakemeasandwich]

From Bud's:
CZ 75 9mm/black went from $408 to $443 - an increase of $35.
CZ 75 9mm/stainless went from $509 to $554 - an increase of $45.
S&W M&P .45/brown thumb safety went from $530 to $547 - an increase of $17.

These are just some examples I noticed (some Springfield XD's went up too), since they're from my short list of firearms I've been considering picking up. Man... These prices have all increased in the past week or two. I don't know what else has gone up.

What gives? And should we expect to see more increases like this? Is this just Bud's getting more pressure from companies about MAP? Admittedly, I haven't looked around to see if it's happening outside of Bud's.

A better question, what is Bud's?

As for your question, as others have pointed out, it's economics my friend. And while we're on this subject, I saw a Bersa Thunder 380 (the regular duo-tone) at Gander Mountain with a retail price of $300. I didn't know inflation was that bad...lol.

 

[gomakemeasandwich]

The prices I'm quoting are from http://budsgunshop.com, a well-respected group who have been fighting MAP pricing by selling their firearms arms at "delivered" prices, rather than keeping cost and shipping separate. The MSRP's aren't really changing, but the advertised prices are sneaking up. After this post I did confirm that it's happening elsewhere as well.

Oops, I guess I should read threads before I post in them. Oh well, finding out about another good online gun shop can't be a bad thing.

I like Ron Paul too. I've been considering voting for him just to shake things up and help some of his views gain nation-wide recognition and consideration. I'm still undecided though. Would he make firearms, metals, and produce more affordable? Ha ha.

I agree with you. Isn't he the only one left in the race that doesn't seem like a fraud and actually believes in what he says? It's too bad he has no chance in hell of winning. Likely we will be treated to an Obama/Huckabee/Romney ****fest, or, worse, a Clinton/Giuliani ****storm.

I think I may be writing in a candidate. Oops, wrong forum...

 

[mikec]

Think about it, fuel and raw materials have gone up. Many companies give employees a yearly cost of living increase. Add in the dollar and what we have is the makers raising the price, the distributor now raising the price and the dealer adding a few more % to give the shop folks a few more $$.

I like pretzels as a snack. There is one make/style that we buy often. Last year they were $1.29/package, then maybe in October they went to $1.39, now they are $1.49. The stores we buy them from sell them at the price the maker marks on the package, the stores isn't the on jacking the price. Again, fuel, raw materials and labor.

 

[applekev]

Yes, everything is going up, the world is tense, I think it's going to get worse, BE SURE OF WHO YOU WILL VOTE FOR THIS NOVEMBER!!!

 

[Princi]

It isn't the dealer

The manufacturer's regularly have to increase prices in order to keep up with cost of material, labor, and pay the lawyers to protect them from frivolous lawsuits.

A friend of mine who owns a dealership told me that they just had an increase of 3.58% on over 1400 guns that they get from a certain distributor.

I've never dealt with Bud's, but from what I've seen and read, I wouldn't hesitate to do so.

What scares me is the dropping of the dollar to the Euro. That means guns like Sig Sauer, Beretta, FN, etc. that are made in Europe are going to be more expensive here. Since the competition has increased their prices, it would be easy for the US manufacturers (the few that are left) to do so even if they didn't have to do it.

While waiting at the car dealership for my state inspection to be done, I was talking to a salesman. I noticed that they had a M3 for $65K. (I only paid $45k when I bought my 1999). I asked him how much prices would increase next year, and he said they were staying the same. How do they do that and remain profitable? Well, they have a big plant in South Carolina where they make 3 series and ship throughout the world. It makes their 3 series really cheap, but they hold the line on that and don't pass the savings onto their European customers. So thou they lose on 5, 6, and 7 series, they do well on their 3 series, which is BMW's most popular car.

Beretta has a plant here, perhaps we will see more European and Japanese plants built here, which will be good for the American economy. Of course if they have to fight the EPA, labor unions, and US lawyers, they may just build somewhere else.

 

[redneck2]

The concept (good or bad) is that a falling dollar makes foreign stuff more expensive and American stuff cheap (relatively). Guess it's working.

One problem with the "cheap" American stuff is that we're so tied to the world economy that anything from overseas that is factored into the product raises the price (oil).

And, you guys that want the radical savior of the world (Mr. Paul) obviously aren't old enough to remember the Jimmy Carter years. He was the off beat "screw the system" candidate. Interest rates were over 20%, the housing and construction market weren't just bad, they didn't exist. Inflation had to be 30%+ a year. We were getting 2 price increase a month.

Wait until Mr. Paul is president and we pull all the troops out of the middle east. Iran grabs Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and UAE in a few months. What do you think happens to oil availability then?

OK, too political. This will get locked. Answer is falling (cheap) dollar and energy.

 

[Walkalong]

It's that wonderfull time of the year.

 

[gomakemeasandwich]

And, you guys that want the radical savior of the world (Mr. Paul) obviously aren't old enough to remember the Jimmy Carter years. He was the off beat "screw the system" candidate. Interest rates were over 20%, the housing and construction market weren't just bad, they didn't exist. Inflation had to be 30%+ a year. We were getting 2 price increase a month.

Wait until Mr. Paul is president and we pull all the troops out of the middle east. Iran grabs Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and UAE in a few months. What do you think happens to oil availability then?

I have to shoot back mildly here. I never said Ron Paul was the savior of the world, just that based on the fact that he seemed to be the only candidate who doesn't bull****, I would vote for him. I never said I agreed with any of his policies.

As for most of the US military leaving the Mideast, it is, within the next year or so, no matter who is elected. The US doesn't have the stomach for a long war, which is what Iraq has to be.

As for Iran, I don't think you have to worry about them grabbing Saudi Arabia any time soon. The Saudis, along with the rest of the Arab world (and the Turks for that matter) are paying a lot of attention to Iran, and the Saudis are pretty well armed (thanks to us actually). But any conflict in the Gulf is too big for this topic. What were we talking about again?