Why are we not talking about the Ruger 5.7 Yet?

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crestoncowboy said:
What it lacks in side to side width it will have to make up for in forward-back width because of the length of the ammo and magazine. I have big basketball palming hands and my five seven feels every bit as big as the beretta 96/usp/ sig226 and all other guns people complain about being big.
My 10mm glock mags are under 1.5 inches front to back. The fiveseven mag is 2 inches. So it makes up for some of the other dimension


Online I've never seen the FNH ammo unavailable. Even during the absence of 9mm/40/22 etc. I've only used the american eagle once to try it but it was always available at cabelas during the shortages. The FNH wasnt in stock in the stores (I dont know if I've ever seen it at cabelas) but was at cabelas online. Back when the 5.7 first came out I was paying 19-20 a box online. The price has remained unchanged the entire time.

I also agree about the safety. With the trigger dongle I dont know why it has one. The five seven has a plain trigger and the oddly placed safety, which I dont mind. It is kind of like the paddle mag releases of my German guns, moved unnecessarily but pretty easy to use too
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That's a good point about the length of the cartridge necessitating a deeper grip frame. And when I look at the photos, your assertion seems sound. Often for me a longer trigger reach can negate the need for a truly wider grip. This is why I bought my XDs45 back in the day when they first came out. Despite the grip being like 0.9' or 1.0', I found I shot it better and found it more comfortable than any other small gun I'd fired.

This would likely be the same deal.
 
460Shooter said:
And when I look at the photos, your assertion seems sound.
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I'd say the ruger is similar since there shouldn't be much way to make it any smaller. And notice I staged the trigger in the photo. That's at the break not at its rest which is .075 farther.
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And a picture of the internal hammer as opposed to a striker in its fired position. I bet the ruger is a striker though by the window in the slide rear.
 
USBP379 said:
I wouldn't bet on that.
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I didn't say I'd bet a lot. Lol. It's definately 50/50.
Any reason why you think not? Are all the other Ruger center fires not striker fired. Not arguing, I really have no clue, the last Ruger center fire semi I bought was a p97.
The hole in the rear coupled with the trigger dongle just made me think striker. Most hammer fired guns lack the dongle.
 
USBP379 said:
I wouldn't bet on that.
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crestoncowboy said:
I didn't say I'd bet a lot. Lol. It's definately 50/50.
Any reason why you think not? Are all the other Ruger center fires not striker fired. Not arguing, I really have no clue, the last Ruger center fire semi I bought was a p97.
The hole in the rear coupled with the trigger dongle just made me think striker. Most hammer fired guns lack the dongle.
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I rather assumed it was a striker gun also, but honestly when you look at the window on the Ruger, it almost looks like a witness hole just to check if an internal hammer is cocked, and not an access port for a striker channel.
 
I have no time for frenchified or even new-to-me calibers but I DO recognize the intelligence of the 5.7 and applaud Ruger's adventure into this arena.

Now, don't mind me while I silently hold my breath over here for the fall-out and to await their new 7.62x25, .38 Super and 9x23.;)

Wait, on second thought, they may have just obsoleted my PMR-30.... DAMMIT!

Todd.
 
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Looks like the Ruger spec sheet on their site is that it has an internal hammer like a Security 9 or LCP II.

My big concern about this one is that a I have had poor luck with my non stainless Rugers drawing rust. For all the good of the LCP II trigger, it was a poor pocket gun for my sweaty lifestyle. My stainless NAAs takes it in stride.

I know this is going to be a holster gun, but I would still rather pay a bit more for something that held up to corrosion a bit better.
 
Well I guess its official. The Ruger 57 is up on Ruger's website as a new model. The whole 57 thing is a technical challenge that I'm sure Ruger can master and apparently for way less money than FN...$799 MSRP which will surely put the retail price in the $600 range. Reloading these is another technical challenge, as the last time I read up on the round, a polymer coating had been applied to the brass on all the factory ammo to aid in extraction. Not sure how these can be reloaded. As for the round itself, in the original military configuration, it made a certain amount of sense as you could get ammo that was armor piercing. Civilians can't purchase AP any more. Not sure why I would want to anyway, as AP ammo is hard as hell on barrels. So all in all, I find myself wondering what I could do with a 57 handgun that I couldn't do with some other handgun caliber??? This one is going to be very interesting to keep an eye on. Who knows, maybe another manufacturer will jump into the fray. Boy, wouldn't you just love to see High Point come out with a 57? Now that would be funny!!!!! :)
 
Fiv3r said:
Looks like the Ruger spec sheet on their site is that it has an internal hammer like a Security 9 or LCP II.

My big concern about this one is that a I have had poor luck with my non stainless Rugers drawing rust. For all the good of the LCP II trigger, it was a poor pocket gun for my sweaty lifestyle. My stainless NAAs takes it in stride.

I know this is going to be a holster gun, but I would still rather pay a bit more for something that held up to corrosion a bit better.
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First thing I'd do is send the slide off to be DLC coated. Still would cost less than an FN all in.
 
I notice in my email from Ruger it states full size models available in both 10 and 20 rnd configurations. Wondering if that means there's a compact in the works?
 
Never mind. Has a "speed hole" cutout on the slide. Probably necessary for reliability with the light weight of the round, but I'm not interested in owning a gun with a window for the ingress of crud.

 
I have had this gun about a month but was sworn to secrecy by my friends at Ruger.

I haven't put a ton of rounds through the gun. Frankly I haven't been able to find much ammo locally. I've only been able to find a box of the AE stuff. But I have been able to handload some for it. Not disclosing my load data but I'm using Lyman and Accurate data with a 40gr bullet.

The gun shoots flat. Really no recoil to speak of. The trigger is good and measures around six pounds. Ergos are good too. Overall it should be a fun and useful pistol.

Down sides? It doesn't feel "duty worthy." It is based off the LCP and Security 9 and feels somewhat budget conscious. There isn't really anything outright wrong with the gun but I don't think it'll cut into FN's sales much. More of a hobby gun rather than a military piece.

I'd like to see a slight bevel to the mag well. It would also be nice to have more of a milled-in base for a red dot. One will be available but it is a bolt-on deal that sits above the slide.

What are your questions?

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Size of the gun is fairly large. And of course the grip is long and skinny based on what it is chambered for.

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Mags are relatively small.

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A red dot plate can be attached here. Ruger will have a couple different mounts available.

Sights appear to be Novak cut although I believe a standard Novak rear would overhang.

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The gun is blowback but with a toggle affair that cams down in recoil. Barrel and slide travel backwards together a short distance. There is no cam and/or locking block on the barrel.

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Disassembly is simple. The slide latch is pushed to the right until it stops. Magazine base plate works fine as a tool.



The lock is then rotated down and the slide comes off. Reassemble in reverse order.

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Hammer fired. Based on LCP and Security 9.

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Mag well should have been flared. At least a little.

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whatnickname said:
way less money than FN...$799
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The five seven is available with rds for under a grand with 3 mags pretty often plus the slide is coated so no rust. Coat the slide, add a red dot and another 50 dollar mag and I don't know if your way cheaper. Im not impressed with the caliber for anything other than a great varmint killer even in the FN so I'm not interested at all in another. Maybe it will make my ammo cheaper though or at least make some other companies start selling it. I hope they sell a million but I don't see it happening.


On a positive note they do tell us that the gun will fire with mag removed which I like. (Not so much the paragraph but the fact that it will fire)

The FN will not fire without the mag.
 
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