Giolli Joker
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I usually call it .45 LC.
Why can't we say .45 "Long Colt?" Oops, I said it!
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absolute0
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I call it .45 Colt only due to my penchant for brevity
Either one's acceptable where I come from, everyone knows what you mean. Some people just seem to have a need to get on their high horse to look down on the unwashed masses...
Either one's acceptable where I come from, everyone knows what you mean. Some people just seem to have a need to get on their high horse to look down on the unwashed masses...
mausgun
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Read somewhere that when the army accepted the S&W and the 1873P was also in active issue, Colt manufactured ammunition that would fit both, remembering that the 45 Colt cartridge was proprietary, short or long. The Colt shortened round was known then as .45 Short Colt as opposed to .45 S&W or .45 Schofield or whatever. The Colt round held to the parameters of the Colt patent, including rim size.
..or not. That's as close as I remember it.
..or not. That's as close as I remember it.
you are wrong
The designation ".45 Long Colt" for this caliber originated amongst military personnel to prevent confusion with the smaller .45 Schofield.
but then you are also right
It is interesting to note that the """"misnomer""",.45"Long"colt came into being to differentiate the original colt loading from the shorter cased ammunition then in use by the army. This ammunition remained in use until the S&W revolvers were withdrawn from service in the mid to late 1890's. The cartridge may also be commonly referred to as .45 Smith&Wesson, the .45 S&W, As well as the .45 Schofield."depends on who you want to argue with
Joab, please read the link to the article I cited above. The .45 "short colt" used by the Army was a proprietary round of Colt. It was NOT .45 Scofield or .45 S&W. It was a different round altogether. Jim Taylor found some of these old rounds and examined them, shot them, and hunted with them.
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The designation ".45 Long Colt" for this caliber originated amongst military personnel to prevent confusion with the smaller .45 Schofield.
but then you are also right
It is interesting to note that the """"misnomer""",.45"Long"colt came into being to differentiate the original colt loading from the shorter cased ammunition then in use by the army. This ammunition remained in use until the S&W revolvers were withdrawn from service in the mid to late 1890's. The cartridge may also be commonly referred to as .45 Smith&Wesson, the .45 S&W, As well as the .45 Schofield."depends on who you want to argue with
Joab, please read the link to the article I cited above. The .45 "short colt" used by the Army was a proprietary round of Colt. It was NOT .45 Scofield or .45 S&W. It was a different round altogether. Jim Taylor found some of these old rounds and examined them, shot them, and hunted with them.
-David
joab
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If you read my first post you will see that I linked to the same site.
As I said in my last post
It depends on who you want to argue with as to where the term Long Colt originated.
Either to differentiate it from .45 S&W or from .45 Colt Government/Army
If you read my first post you will see that I linked to the same site.
As I said in my last post
It depends on who you want to argue with as to where the term Long Colt originated.
Either to differentiate it from .45 S&W or from .45 Colt Government/Army
popbang
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Eleven Mike:
"I thought 9x19 was standard nomenclature in Europe, and would therefore be more appropriate than 9mm Luger or Parabellum. But then it has been shown I am uninformed. When we say .44 Magnum, we're just leaving out a word. How is that the same as putting in a word what don't belong (allegedly)? What's wrong with .30-06?"
I may have come across wrong, I don't see anything wrong with putting "Long" in .45 Colt. My problem is the same people who jump and yell when they see .45 Long Colt don't have a problem with miss labeling the 9 mm Luger, .44 Remington Magnum, or 30-06 Springfield. People always come up with slang for all sorts of things, but putting long in just gets them all excited.
"I thought 9x19 was standard nomenclature in Europe, and would therefore be more appropriate than 9mm Luger or Parabellum. But then it has been shown I am uninformed. When we say .44 Magnum, we're just leaving out a word. How is that the same as putting in a word what don't belong (allegedly)? What's wrong with .30-06?"
I may have come across wrong, I don't see anything wrong with putting "Long" in .45 Colt. My problem is the same people who jump and yell when they see .45 Long Colt don't have a problem with miss labeling the 9 mm Luger, .44 Remington Magnum, or 30-06 Springfield. People always come up with slang for all sorts of things, but putting long in just gets them all excited.
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If you read my first post you will see that I linked to the same site.
As I said in my last post
It depends on who you want to argue with as to where the term Long Colt originated.
Either to differentiate it from .45 S&W or from .45 Colt Government/Army
whoops. missed that.
If you read my first post you will see that I linked to the same site.
As I said in my last post
It depends on who you want to argue with as to where the term Long Colt originated.
Either to differentiate it from .45 S&W or from .45 Colt Government/Army
whoops. missed that.
MCgunner
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Semantics....
wheelgunslinger
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There are a lot of people who like to be "correct" in the gun world. However, they aren't well read in the dynamic and fascinating world of language or they'd realize that you can't regulate idiomatic expression.
Simply put: If people call it "45 Long Colt", then that's what it is. If people call it "45 Colt", then that's what it is. As long it doesn't confuse with another article by that name, who cares. And, it doesn't.
Call it what you will. It's still the same. "A rose by any other name..."
I call it "45 Long Colt". Sometimes I dial up my southern accent when I ask for it at the ammo counter just to hack off the smarty pants guy behind the counter, or any recently retired guys who like to stand around the gun shop and argue because it doesn't matter.
And then, I go shoot the center out of my target with my whaddayacallit ammo, because that is why it is produced.
Being tight sphinctered about nomenclature is really just that.
Simply put: If people call it "45 Long Colt", then that's what it is. If people call it "45 Colt", then that's what it is. As long it doesn't confuse with another article by that name, who cares. And, it doesn't.
Call it what you will. It's still the same. "A rose by any other name..."
I call it "45 Long Colt". Sometimes I dial up my southern accent when I ask for it at the ammo counter just to hack off the smarty pants guy behind the counter, or any recently retired guys who like to stand around the gun shop and argue because it doesn't matter.
And then, I go shoot the center out of my target with my whaddayacallit ammo, because that is why it is produced.
Being tight sphinctered about nomenclature is really just that.
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
By all means, say ".45 Long Colt" if you wish. Everybody will know what you mean and it will give the word police a much desired chance to demonstrate their superior knowledge by correcting you. A win-win situation.
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
By all means, say ".45 Long Colt" if you wish. Everybody will know what you mean and it will give the word police a much desired chance to demonstrate their superior knowledge by correcting you. A win-win situation.
Eleven Mike
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And when you read this hifalutin material, how do you know what the words mean?
MCgunner
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Perhaps we now need a Linnaen nomenclature for firearms calibers. You would have your common names regionally, like "Spotted Sea Trout" or "speckled trout" or "spotted weakfish", then you have your Linnaen name, always the same, written in references, taxonomic keys, Cynoscion nebulosus. So, we could have .45 Colt in the south, .45 long colt in the north, .45 old fart revolver in the west, but every one will KNOW what the Coltus maximus is! It's the caliber that won the west.....in the movies!
ribbonstone
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Ok...raise your hands...anyone out there NOT understand and get all confused about which round is being talked about when .45 LONG Colt is mentioned?
Then go ahead and say it....doesn't bother me in the least (and yes, there are revolvers out there that are marked .45 Long Colt..an you shuld never use ammo other than what the gun is marked for).
MCgunner: thought the gun that won the est was a Colt AA in 44/40 handled by "the Duke"...insome movies he was using one years before they were invented, so they had to have the strongest "mo-jo".
Then go ahead and say it....doesn't bother me in the least (and yes, there are revolvers out there that are marked .45 Long Colt..an you shuld never use ammo other than what the gun is marked for).
MCgunner: thought the gun that won the est was a Colt AA in 44/40 handled by "the Duke"...insome movies he was using one years before they were invented, so they had to have the strongest "mo-jo".
420Stainless
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JMB was a genius. I'll repeat it 50 times when I run across a chalkboard. Cutting and pasting 50x doesn't have the same impact.
I love the .45 as both a Colt and ACP, but my favorite is the ACP. As for Long Colt, I was told by my Dad at an early age not to call it that.
joab
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all I know is that they don't make an semi auto assault rife that accepts 30 round bannana clips for .45 Long Colt bullets.
For the record I have never called it anything but Long Colt
For the record I have never called it anything but Long Colt
Eleven Mike
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Did you mispell banana just to provoke more argument?
Eleven Mike
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Alright, can we argue now about whether it's OK to say .45 Auto instead of ACP?
SAWBONES
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I say "45 Long Colt" whenever I refer to the popular cartridge by that name, fired by many single action revolvers.
What else would you properly call it? "Colt 45" is ambiguous, there being both the .45ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge and the .45 Long Colt.
What else would you properly call it? "Colt 45" is ambiguous, there being both the .45ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge and the .45 Long Colt.
Aguila Blanca
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Well, I suppose a lot still depends on which article(s) you read and believe. What I've read in my perusings on this topic is that the standard military rounds issued to the "sojur boys" were indeed the short rounds, so they would fit either the Colt or the S&W firearms, but the ammo was all produced by the gummint arsenals. Which would tend to not support the notion of it being a Colt proprietary round.
joab
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As much as I would like to say yes, I just don't know how to spell bannanna
ribbonstone
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Elevel Mike:
Always thought they should have stuck with CAP (Colt's Automatic Pistol) rather than ACP...sounds better and puts the name-brand first.
Always thought they should have stuck with CAP (Colt's Automatic Pistol) rather than ACP...sounds better and puts the name-brand first.
Eleven Mike
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Yeah, pete, that settles it. 
Did you ever think they might also be a little confused?
Did you ever think they might also be a little confused?
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