Why choose a 1911?

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They are easy to shoot accurately. That's a pretty good reason.

I'm confident I can put them where it counts with a Glock out to 20 yards. But with a nice 1911 or a cocked revolver, I feel like I'm bridging the gap between a pistol and a carbine. :)
 
My immediate thought is that anyone asking that question either has hands too small to use the 1911 comfortably...or just hasn't handled and shot it enough. It has a rare combination of power, compactness, and ease of use. Mechanical elegance.

There's lots of room in this world for Glocks and SIGs and S&W revolvers. But if you've chosen .45 ACP or .38 Super, then what to carry is an answered question.
 
Ummm, the 1911 doesn't have the market cornered on safety location. My USP45C has the exact same safety location and can be flipped just as quickly as my 1911's.
 
I have been shooting for all but the first six of my 54 years, and have lived in a Free State for the last seven. In that seven years, I have gotten my CHL and have carried every day, everywhere that it is legal to do so. In the mean time, I bought and sold nearly 50 handguns, looking for the perfect CCW weapon.

Of all of those, I still own:
--Several S&W revolvers
--Several 1911s
--Two Kahr pistols.

I carry a 1911 daily, because I shoot a 1911 better than anything else.

I love the S&W revolvers, and the Kahrs are marvels of size and weight, but go back and read the previous sentence again. :)
 
Either they tickle your fancy or not, there's no point in trying to sell you on them.

I'm gonna sound crazy, but I bought an STI Spartan a couple months ago...I loved it, put new grips and ordered some Wilson mags for it...I haven't even shot it, and already decided to splurge on an Ed Brown that costs 4x as much and am gonna get rid of the STI at a small loss just to put that $ towards the Brown. It also gave me a reason to start reloading, which I'll do when the Brown gets here.

It's hard to explain, but it's something worth figuring out for yourself..
 
It's the only .45ACP slim enough for CCW.

That's not 100% accurate. A 1911 is slim and easy to hide, but it is not the only .45 slim enough to conceal. I think the real reason people want them so much is they are a tried and true design, they tend to be accurate and they feel so good in your hand. That, and a lot of folks think they have to carry something that starts with a 4.
 
i just see it inconvenient to have a safety when there are so many reliable DAO semi autos these days.

The position of the thumb safety on the 1911 is pretty much the industry standard. It is the preferred position by many Americans, and we sometimes moan when other designs don't have it in the same place.

The reason for this is that it is a natural movement (with only minimal practice) to sweep the thumb safety off when presenting the gun. Even if you can't carry and only practice at an indoor range, make it a habit to engage the safety after you load the gun and chamber a round. Put the gun down. When you pick it up off the table, sweep the safety off, so this motion is ingrained in your head.

It really does become second nature.

DAO, safe-action, and DA revolvers don't even require this minimal training. But it is much harder to have an accurate first shot.

The 1911 trigger pulls straight back. Most other guns' triggers are hinged, and they pull back and up. Straight back is preferable, but not a huge deal to me. It is the same trigger pull every time, and a good one too. (Glocks and DAO guns also have the same pull every time, but it is not a GOOD pull. ;) )

I won't go out on a limb and suggest the 1911 is a superior design. To me, its main advantage is that it is SAO. For instance, the take-down procedure is more complex, and takes a bit more practice to get right than a modern design. Not a huge deal, but worth mentioning.

1911s are ammo finnicky. You might scratch your head when folks are so obsessive around here with testing carry ammo. Most modern pistol designs will feed anything without any problem, because the feed ramp is integral to the barrel, it is at a shallow angle, and polished pretty well. Not so with 1911s. Most of their feed ramp is on the gun's frame, and there's a beveled part of the chamber that kind of continues up from the frame. Without some work, they only feed round nosed ammo reliably. One has to test hollow point ammo, even the round-nosed type, to be sure on a 1911.

On a modern gun, say a Ruger P345 or Beretta Storm or Glock 21, one can shoot a couple magazines, and if there are no jams, he can be pretty confident that it is going to work when needed.

I bought a basic 1911 this year, 100th anniversary and all, bought into the hype. I'm a bit underwhelmed. I like the accuracy and the crisp SA trigger, but I sure don't like the ammo finnickiness. (I like flat point and semi-wadcutter bullets in my handloads. It feeds flat points maybe 90% reliably, and semi-wadcutters maybe 40% reliably.) Yeah, I can adjust. I can spend hundreds of dollars testing defense hollowpoint ammo, and buy only round nosed bullets for reloads, but I really shouldn't have to.

I also bought a CZ97. It seems, so far, to be just as accurate, if not more so, and a lot less finnicky. I haven't tried semi-wadcutters yet, but it feeds flat points 100%. It can be carried cocked & locked or be used as DA first shot, SA follow-ups. The magazines are flush fitting 10 rounders, instead of flush-fitting 7 or 8 rounders or 10 rounded extended mags. The ergonomics are better too.

On the flip side, when I managed to drive out to a match and realized I'd forgotten my holster and magazines, I was able to borrow them. No way this would have happened with a CZ.

I guess what I'm saying is that you should try one, but just go into it with your eyes wide open. It's like buying a vintage muscle car. The performance is there, but you have to realize there are drawbacks too. ;)
 
Top cops in the big city near here carry 1911 .45s
The bad guys know who these cops are and don't F*** with them because they figure anybody packing a .45 KNOWS how to shoot the d*** thing.

Just seeing one of those cops on scene is enough to get many bad guys to give up whatever it is they are doing and surrender.
I don't know any other testement that can hold as much water.
 
1911Tuner said:
Smaug...You're aware that 95% of feeding problems with the 1911 are caused by the magazine...right?

Well...Assuming that Dremel Dan hasn't been at the feed ramp.

Fair enough. No one has been at the feed ramp on my gun.

Which magazines do I need in order to feed semi wadcutters reliably? I have two stock Para mags; 8 rounders with shaped plastic followers, and 3 Chip McCormick Shooting Stars; 8 rounders with dual flat steel followers. Neither of them will feed semi wadcutters.

I think it is ridiculous that stock mags wouldn't be reliable with all types of ammo. No other gun I've had is sensitive to that with quality factory mags. (Hi-Power, Ruger P90, Bersa 83, Glock 34, Taurus PT92, CZ 97B ...)
 
To me unlike many other semi-auto choices available it is exactly the safety features that always bring me back to the 1911. I like the SWs too but the 5906 or 6906 does not compare in speed of round on target like my 1911 when cocked and locked. Just a highly personal observation.
 
i dont and wont carry a pistol, i carry a revolver.

but aside from that i love the 1911 cause its not a fat griped double stack, it doesnt have the lousy triggers of a double action and the grip angle is perfect.
 
Smaug said:
The position of the thumb safety on the 1911 is pretty much the industry standard. It is the preferred position...

...it is a natural movement (with only minimal practice) to sweep the thumb safety off when presenting the gun. ....

It really does become second nature.

DAO, safe-action, and DA revolvers don't even require this minimal training....
No type of handgun can be safely and effectively managed with no or minimal training. One must train and practice sufficiently to be both safe and proficient with any type of handgun.

The widespread lack of proper training and practice explains the atrocious gun handling and abysmal marksmanship I see all the time. No gun will make up for a lack of training and practice. And with training and practice, pretty much any gun of decent quality will do. But some people find some designs suit them better than others.

Under stress, one reverts to his level of training. Of course someone with no or minimal training may think he is better off with a DA pistol or double action revolver, but he's fooling himself if he thinks he's truly capable with it or doesn't need more and better training to manage it effectively.
 
Smaug...Which type SWC are you using?

If they're those short-nosed abortions...I don;'t thing the gun or the magazine has been made that'll feed those with any real success unless they're loaded with the shoulkder pretty far out of the case.

The H&G #68 type...long nosed...should be pretty easy. I've got unaltered USGI pistols from both wars that can't tell the difference between that bullet and hardball.

I just recently "fixed" a friend's 5-inch para by handing him a few good magazines. He was ready to take a hammer to the gun.

For the record...you couldn't throw Shooting Stars at me. Won't allow'em in the yard.
 
I have no issues with the 1911 safety. Very easy to release the safety when drawn. My 1911's get about 80% of my range time. My primary SD weapon is a Glock due to best reliability and CCW advantages.
 
I started hand gunning with a 1911, so a safety on a handgun does not bother me. Before the 1911, my pump shotgun and Uzi Carbine had manual safeties, so the 1911 having a safety seemed natural.

The safety does not slow me down, because it is off-safe'd during the draw or presentation.

If the safety bothers you, do not get a 1911. There are plenty of other weapon systems that have no safeties, and are as good as a 1911 in all other aspects. I appreciate my SIG P229 duty/carry pistols as being the full equal of my 1911 for real-world use. (I am mandated to carry one of several specified .40 DA auto-pistols on duty, and I buy my own weapons.) If I ever take up the sport of bullseye shooting, I will use the 1911, because it is better suited for that task.

Because most of my training is with my DA pistols, I no longer use my 1911 as a go-to/reactive weapon, but it is not because I fear missing the safety lever, but because I don't want to have to hesitate for a micro-second about such things as placement of the finger on the trigger, and the trigger stroke length and reset length of that all-important first shot, during a reflexive draw-
and-fire scenario, when a micro-second might be the difference between living and dying. (Travis Haley uses the very descriptive "time is life" terminology.) I could pick up a 1911 and use it as a proactive/offensive weapon, in the same manner as I would a long gun, and run it just fine, because in such a situation, I would be conscious of the switching of weapon systems.

After I retire from policin', and am no longer mandated to carry DA pistols, I just might buy a few thousand rounds of .45 ACP, and get myself back to reflexively placing my finger on the trigger in the optimum position for single-action shooting.
 
Huh. I have a sackful of Shooting Stars, they all work great for me. And my five 1911's will eat LSWC's like hogs on acorns. Three RIA's and two Colts.
 
They are nice looking, great shooters, have excellent triggers, have a zillion and one parts out there for them, and are an American icon

However, they are heavy, have lower capacity than modern guns, and are more complex

They do certain jobs very well, but other jobs not so much. Newer guns weren't made to replace a 1911, they were made to accomplish tasks that 1911s aren't the best choice for. 1911s will always have their place, just as other designs will

Or you can be a 1911 fanboy and blindly hate all other designs just because they are different
 
I like the 1911 for many reasons. I appreciate it's elegance, the genius of its design, and I admire its long, proud history. It's the quintessential American pistol. They feel good in my hand and they feel like real weapons.

As others have said here, they have a nice, short trigger pull that you don't usually get with DAO pistols, which is quite desirable in a defensive handgun. The safety is not a big issue at all. With a little bit of practice, disengaging it becomes instinctive and instantaneous. IMO, the best way to carry a 1911 is "condition one" with a round in the chamber, the hammer back, and the safety on. If you ever need to use it then you just draw it, quickly flip the safety off with your thumb, and it's ready to fire.

BTW, there is no such thing as a stupid question. ;)
 
Well...It's not a matter of being a fanboy or hating other designs as much as it is going with the gun that the shooter can do the best with. Too much emphasis is placed on capacity and not enough on hitting the target and...if the gun is carried for serious purpose...stopping the threat with as few rounds as possible...preferably one. Placement is paramount to achieving that end. If Joe stands a better chance of doing that with a 1911 than with a Glock or Sig...then the 1911 performs the required task better than the Glock or the Sig...in Joe's hands.

I like double-action revolvers. They're my first love, and I carry them often...but I know that the odds are very slim that I'll actually need a gun on a given day. If I thought for a second that my day's adventures stood a chance of placing me in a position to have to fight for my life with a handgun, I want it to be a 1911...hands down.

So...For 90% of my carry needs, the round butt Model 13 does the walk. If my business is taking me into a seedy part of town...a 1911 will be riding shotgun. No pun intended.
 
I agree with all of the above, and would like to add one more thing. Did you all know that a standard mil-spec 1911 (slotted-head grip screws, no recoil spring guide, etc.) can be detail-stripped down to the last part with absolutely no tools? Each part that you take off in sequence can be used as the tool required to take off the next part!

John Browning was an absolute genius!
 
Why, yes! :)

Did you know that the reason for the small pad on the thumb safety was to provide a flat surface directly over the pin so that the end of the slide...with the bushing installed...could be used to knock the mainspring housing pin out of the frame?

And that the barrel bushing can be used to depress the plunger pin and reinstall the thumb safety?

That the lanyard loop makes a dandy bottle opener?

That a fired case can be an expedient substitute for the recoil spring plug?

That the oiled walnut grips can be used for tinder to start a fire without rendering the gun unserviceable?

The list goes on...
 
It was designed to use for that. Of course, they didn't use castings and MIM in those days, either. Moot point anyway, since the pads on most of today's safeties don't offer a flat surface.

No need to pound it out. Just a bump will get the groove past the point of the plunger.
Once that's done, use your thumb on the flat section opposing your fingers on the other side of the gun to push the mainspring housing pin out. It's a snap once you know how.
 
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