Why confiscation won't work

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Another line in the sand.

I, for one, don't see it happening. Not enough search teams for one thing, not enough time to really search a building, not enough cooperation from the resident who might be displaying said firearms to be confiscated with the remark they will turn them over when they are pried from their cold
Id be willing to bet, the first thing they would do, is make some very harsh and public examples of a few (the news media would love to report it too), and a good number, if not the majority, would be running down to drop them off.

Theyve been doing it forever at the IRS, and just like we "voluntarily" pay our taxes each year,...... well, you get the idea.
 
Id be willing to bet, the first thing they would do, is make some very harsh and public examples of a few (the news media would love to report it too), and a good number, if not the majority, would be running down to drop them off.
If it happens with this crew, they'll slaughter some grandmother in a "wrong address" raid. Then it'll be junior rodeo on. At that point, "Unintended Consequences" becomes a history book.
 
If you want a response from the American public, you'll have a much better chance, and much better results, if you cut off football, alcohol, and the internet/phone service. ;)
 
Create a major false flag terrorist event, declare martial law, park military/LE at all major food distribution centers, demand folks turn all in guns for access to food, water. and medical prescriptions.

Or give up their neighbors.

Done.

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I read in the 1960s the same points made in the current NYT front page editorial on gun control. Points that quite frankly have gained less and less traction with the majority over time. Gallup polls: 1959 majority support for banning handguns; 2009 majority opposition to banning handguns. YES there is a dedicated minority of anti-gun nuts clinging to a blind faith in the NY Sullivan Act of 1911. BUT more and more people see that as the tactical equivalent of clinging to the federal Volstead Act of 1919. Prohibition. It criminalizes the otherwise lawabiding. It does not impact the criminal abuse. By creating black markets, it makes abuse worse while thwarting legit use. We need to stand our ground, to prevent a repeat of the Roaring Twenties. But, they are on the losing side of history. The desperation of their overblown rhetoric shows it. This is the last gasp of the gun prohibitionists.
 
if you think someone is coming for your guns, you're paranoid.

there are more guns than people in this country. They'll never get even 10%. The genie is out of the bottle. You really think the ATF / FBI wants to shoot it out with every guy who has an AR at home? Heck no.
 
Confiscation would kill this economy but by then we will be 100% dependent on the government. No way it will happen in our life time either. We are very proud people. Now the younger generations is a different story....
 
Confiscation is impossible without a registration list.

A JUST GOVERNMENT DEPENDS ON VOLUNTEERS FROM ITS PEOPLE FOR ITS PROPER PROTECTION.

A government that depends on a state monopoly on arms is a tyranny.
 
Id be willing to bet, the first thing they would do, is make some very harsh and public examples of a few (the news media would love to report it too), and a good number, if not the majority, would be running down to drop them off.

I remember they made an example out of Ken Ballew in 1970; I am still peeved off at the statements the antis made at that time, forty + years ago. My mama's folks came from the area between Norton VA and Louisa KY; to understand how I was raised, watch the movies Matwan and Harlan County USA. We'd probably be running "to drop them" but not the way they expected. I am 67 years old; I have nothing to lose but my principles and what little pride I have left.
 
They said the same thing about Germany, Japan and ISIS.

Maybe you didn't read my first post. There are more than 330 million functional guns in this country. That was not true in Germany, Japan, or ??ISIS?? (I am not sure why you are bringing that up?)

ANY comparison of the USA to any other country in terms of gun laws is stupid; why? Exactly because of what I posted. EVEN IF the legislature and President and even the army followed orders, you are simply not going to reduce the amount of guns in this country even 10%. Not practically possible and highly dangerous to try.
 
Maybe you didn't read my first post. There are more than 330 million functional guns in this country.
I was speaking in a more general vein.

People poo-pooed Germany, Japan and ISIS as a GENERAL threats... until the blood started to flow.

But the pollyannas are always lined up waiting to counsel obliviousness to the threat, followed by meek submission.
 
There are more than 330 million functional guns in this country.
How many truly functional "users" are there?

Like anything else, once you weed the tough talk, not to mention unfit bodies out, whats left?
 
I also have to ask, how many would walk away from all the comfort and security that they have accumulated, house, pension/401, job, recreation/toys.
Pledging ones life, fortune and sacred honor against ones government is a big deal and life changing event that I have little faith many would follow.
 
As the founding fathers did, back in the day. It was about 3% of the population that was serious about throwing off the yoke of tyranny.
 
1-2% maybe. Out of a population of say 100,000,000 gun owners thats a few million people . Even 1/2 of 1% of gun owners resisting confiscation by whatever means NECESSARY would be enough red in the streets to halt that whole program pretty quick. I know where I'll be standing.
 
To answer what paranoid tendency I started the thread over, having Presidential candidates endorse it, and large coastal newspapers editorialize it in the last ten days.

The rhetoric they are expressing is to disarm Americans by taking away their guns, either by forced compensation that non gun owners would have to pay thru higher taxes, or by forced turn ins with no compensation at all.

If Americans are still buying them anyway - goes to how much we actually think it would happen. We really are voting with our dollars. Threats aren't stopping us. The "harsh" consequences meted out to those rebellious enough to force others to turn their guns in? I give you the Brady Ranch confrontation - and that was about an unpaid grazing rights issue.

Again - it's been estimated that 75% of the "assault weapons" held by citizens in NY state haven't been registered according to the law. CA has already had the same non-compliance. The only things we hear about are the old boy shooting squirrels back east with one who got turned in by his neighbors. Incarcerating him puts the burden of administrating his health care on the local jurisdiction, if it's an issue. Most county or state governments don't want or need thousands of new eldercare to handle thru their existing structure. We can't even build highways fast enough and housing them with their issues isn't a win win in the disarmament race.

People who are clamoring for confiscation aren't considering the REAL issues.

There won't be any "harsh circumstances." Compliance will be openly defied and already is. Do we have 330 million guns? Ok. What price compensation? At $100 a gun - instant lawsuit for almost any jurisdiction as that is not adequate compensation, much less our property rights under the 5th Amendment. Even that would mean a $33 BILLON dollar payout which WE would have to foot.

Mention that to the next person who endorses confiscation. Where's $33 billion lying around in the budget? I suspect an amount like that needs to elbow out other more important things, forecast ahead of time, and accounted for by a new staff commissioned to handle the disbursements.

I'm sure we need that kind of boondoggle. Who are we going to appoint as the Director of Compensation? You and I won't make the recommendation, it will come from the White House Staff and they will be handing out rewards to their political underwriters, or as plum rewards. Eric Holder? Emanuel Rahm?

Trading snarky remarks over it isn't analysis, and that is what we need to be doing. Examining the whole prospect of why it won't ever be reality.

Put your thinking caps on, and you quickly see why all the calls for confiscation are just downright stupid. This is America, not Australia, we do have 330 million guns, and extremist politicians and editors are spouting inflammatory rhetoric with no chance of it happening. Just like "the Republicans are starving seniors." It's nothing more than hot air on their part meant to stir up emotion.

What we are waiting on is for the analysis, and it's so negative in outcome it's not going to be discussed openly because the press then has to admit it was stupid to begin with and never deserved the headlines they are giving it.
 
I also have to ask, how many would walk away from all the comfort and security that they have accumulated, house, pension/401, job, recreation/toys.
Pledging ones life, fortune and sacred honor against ones government is a big deal and life changing event that I have little faith many would follow.

Not many. But that ain't the point, because, at least initially, we're not talking about all out war. The people charged with seizing the weapons would have to do so under the assumption that the individual they are approaching will comply. The ROE would be the same as any other policing action, where they cannot fire until fired upon.

Well, it wouldn't take long to realize that sending one or two brown shirts door to door results in a lot of dead brown shirts, so they have to go with the overwhelming force option. This dedication of manpower slows progress to a crawl, and exposes their tactics for tens of million to see what's coming their way.

That's when the war starts, and beating that drum after the blood of innocent Americans has been spilled to deprive us of our right is going to recruit a lot more people than those who would have taken up arms at the onset of confiscation.

They know it, and that's why they won't ever try to do door-to-door. It'll continue to be the piecemeal erosion long game, with the pragmatic aim to have us mostly disarmed within a couple more generations. And that is why we need to bestow this sacred right on our children and grandchildren, educate them on the importance of maintaining it.
 
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Well, that would be up to the graybeards like I.
I look at it this way....at my advanced age....not great health...overweight....high blood pressure....
would I stand up for a cause I believe so strongly for? Would I take my chances and perhaps die for that? As opposed to dying anyway with a heart attack or from cancer?
I would go a little early to defend the 2A and perhaps save it for my grandkids.
And I know lots of other graybeards who would do the same.
Remember it does not take all that many to horrify the nation. And either that would galvanize a larger number of gun owners or it would force the grabbers to back off or both.
No matter what before I'd give up my rights and my guns...I would have to give them the ammo first.
 
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